Update 8dp5pt bleeding BFN

[WMolly88]

Hi all,Just a quick update, I tested this morning (early I know, but I knew in my gut it hadn't been successful) and it was as expected a BFN. I also had bright red bleeding which looks exactly like the start of my period. I've never had this happen before, only spotting whilst taking cyclogest but not a full period and I'm not even due on until next week. I'm slightly annoyed because I've mentioned progesterone levels a few times to my clinic followed failed cycles but they just brushed it off. I'm a mixture of emotions at the moment, angry, resentful, upset etc you name it! I just can't see a silver lining for us right now and I'm regretting things I've done which may have impacted this cycle "Did I go back to work too early?", "Should I not have gone away with friends etc?" 😔

Thanks again for all of your support, I really don't know what I'd do without this group right now as no one truly understands what we're going though unless they've been through it themselves. I had a friend tell me the other day "You've handled all of this so well", little did she know about all the emotional breakdowns I have behind closed doors.

Wishing you all the best of luck and sending positivity to all of you ❤️

[Greenbunny9]

I'm so sorry read this. Could the bleeding be caused by irritation from the cyclogest maybe? It is still early and maybe the hormones wouldn't be high enough yet for a positive? I know it's so hard but I genuinely think that post transfer it either works or it doesn't & anything we do or don't do doesn't really have any impact. I read a lot of people saying they tried this or that afterward & had success but chances are it was just a coincidence & it would've happened anyway.

I do however totally know where your coming from with feeling like your being brushed off by your clinic. My husband always says we have to trust the experts but I find that if we don't advocate for ourselves we'd get nowhere.

Sending lots of hope your way. ❤️

[WMolly88 in reply to Greenbunny9]

Thank you so much Greenbunny ❤️ no I definitely don't think it's the cyclogest as I'm still bleeding and testing negative. On the bright side, hopefully this will give us some answers going forward and with a different type of progesterone I may still be in with a chance next time 🤞 I guess it's all a learning curve isn't it?

[Greenbunny9 in reply to WMolly88]

Definitely a learning curve, I didn't realise just how much trial & error is involved.I remember on my first ever fresh transfer getting my period within the week & being so shocked & confused as it never even occurred to me that that might happen & I wouldn't even make it OTD. I completely understand how frustrating & upsetting it is.

It's all so confusing sometimes I've had just pessaries sometimes it's pessaries & lubion injections but I lose track of when & why it is different.

Moving forward you now know how to give your frozen embryos the best chance. You'll be onto a FET in no time.

[Et88]

I am so sorry to hear about you BFN, I know nothing seems to explain

I have had a 100% rested cycle , 1 fully active and 1 a combination.. with occasional outing and all 3 had the same result of BFN so trust me when I say you did nothing wrong.. please be easy on yourself ❣️

Progesterone could be something to try for next cycle.. my clinic also never prescribed progesterone for me and also told in my recent session that it is something against their protocol for FET.

This time, I bought some progesterone tablets as prescribed by a doctor abroad for me as vaginal one I believe I am not able to absorb.

So next FET cycle I will try the combination

[WMolly88 in reply to Et88]

Hi Et88,

I'm so sorry that you've had to go through all of those BFN 😔 Having gone through 2 BFN and BFP ending in an embryonic pregnancy at 6 weeks I truly know how you feel, and it really hurts me to see/hear the pain that others are also going through. I wish I had a magic wand to help all of the wonderful women on here who truly deserve this. I'm so happy to hear that you managed to get some progesterone tablets as this may be the change that you need. We're all of your BFN from FET? I've never known a clinic not to offer this before, particularly as with a FET our bodies don't make enough progesterone hence why they need the help. Sending lots of love ❤️

[Et88 in reply to WMolly88]

So welcome to Dutch health care!! Last one was my 1st FET , rest 2 were fresh transfers

Here since u have regular cycle and regular ovulation, only thing is ovulation test. Based on positive ( absolutely no blood work done) they do the embryo transfer ( assuming everyone is receptive at the exact same time hahaha. And no progesterone support what so ever which is frustrating.

However this time I am going to take oral and vaginal gel and hope for the best results

[DianeArnold]

Hi WMolly. Remember, whichever way this goes, the girls on here have got you back to support you.Thinking of you. Diane

[WMolly88 in reply to DianeArnold]

Thank you Diane, this forum really is a godsend 🙏

[Christianbaby]

I'm so sorry to hear about your experience. Infertility can be incredibly challenging, and it's normal to question every decision and wonder what could have been done differently. However, it's important to remember that you're doing the best you can with the information and circumstances you have. Please try not to be too hard on yourself or dwell on regrets.

If you're contemplating reaching out to your clinic about how they brushed off your concerns regarding progesterone, I suggest being direct yet respectful. It's important to express your dissatisfaction to prevent such dismissals from happening in future rounds.

Hope you feel better soon. x

[WMolly88 in reply to Christianbaby]

Thank you Christianbaby, your message really means a lot.

I've reached out to my clinic and they are being incredibly accommodating and helpful. I can't fault the nurses at all, they really have been amazing.

[Twiglet2]

I’m so sorry, I’ve had early bleeding before and adding in lubion has stopped that, my clinic were reluctant to listen at first to me too but now you’ve had the early bleed at this stage defo push for it. Unless you went sky diving or binge drinking/ partying then nothing you have done has impacted the cycle I’m afraid if it’s gonna work it’s gonna work after transfer. Defo talk to them about lubion for next one and take care of yourself this part after a negative test really really sucks 😢😢 xxx

[WMolly88 in reply to Twiglet2]

Thank you Twiglet ❤️

No I definitely didn't go sky diving or binge drinking, however I might have a couple of drinks on the weekend to drown my sorrows! 😂

Is lubion and injection or tablet?

[Twiglet2 in reply to WMolly88]

Lubion is an injection of progesterone I take it as well as the pessaries as some people do t absorb the pessaries as well as others so ensures I’m ’topped up’ xx

[Wishinandahopin]

I’m so sorry to hear this. If you’re bleeding before test day and it’s negative then your body needs more progesterone. Progesterone should stop a period, bleeding with a positive is different as could be a hematoma etc.

I had two transfers with not enough progesterone and they didn’t work. (Both times I had two Cyclogest and one Lubion- fully medicated FETs) Some people just struggle to absorb it. I was going to have intramuscular progesterone the next time but in the end I did a modified natural transfer rather than a medicated one and so I had 3x cyclogest and one Lubion and that was on top of my naturally produced progesterone from ovulating. Better to have too much progesterone than not enough. That cycle worked.

Keeping everything crossed for you but I’m so sorry you’ve experienced this.

[WMolly88 in reply to Wishinandahopin]

Thank you so much ❤️Something inside tells me it's the progesterone so I'm definitely going to get this changed on my next cycle. I'm so happy yo hear about your positive cycle, huge congratulations to you!

[Crie1983]

Oh no 😢, I’m so sorry to read this. I’ve been praying you got your positive.

The last thing you should do is blame yourself. I know it’s difficult not to question everything but I hope you know deep down it’s not anything you’ve done. It’s just so very unfair.

Sending lots of love and strength. Xx

[WMolly88 in reply to Crie1983]

Thank you so much Crie, that really means a lot. I saw your message you put up for me the other day, thank you ❤️ fingers crossed I'll have better luck next time. How are you getting on? X

[Crie1983 in reply to WMolly88]

I’m keeping everything crossed you get your BFP in the future. Be kind to yourself in the days and the weeks ahead. I know what an emotional time it is and how empty it feels after a BFN.

Having a low day, feel like I’m about to start my period which is the same way I’ve felt with all the previous failed cycles so today I’ve convinced myself it’s not worked. Am going to hold out testing until the weekend but I’m not feeling hopeful. Xx

[WMolly88 in reply to Crie1983]

Don't lose hope just yet Crie, that's exactly how I felt when I got my BFP (sadly ended at 6 weeks) however I was convinced my period was coming, tested early to put myself out of my misery and couldn't believe it when it came back positive. This could be the one 🤞 hoping and praying for you. When is your test date? X

[Crie1983 in reply to WMolly88]

Thank you. I’m really sorry to hear about your miscarriage. I had a missed miscarriage at around 6 weeks on my second cycle. That was in 2021 and if I’m honest, I can’t honestly remember how I felt during that 2WW that resulted in a BFP.

I should have my blood test tomorrow (day 10) but as it’s a weekend, I have to wait until Monday which is day 12. I’m going to do a home test on Sunday morning 😬.

How are you doing today? X

[WMolly88 in reply to Crie1983]

I'm also so sorry to hear about your missed miscarriage, mine was also on my 2nd transfer. I'm not surprised you can't remember how you felt, you must've been absolutely devastated 💔 I was so upset when it happened everything is kind of a blur. It's weird how our minds just blank things out when we're feeling so saddened, it's almost like it does it to protect us from the trauma.

I'm really hoping that you get your BFP this time, I'll be keeping everything crossed for you and I'll be thinking of you. Please let me know how you get on ❤️ sending lots of positivity your way x

[Crie1983 in reply to WMolly88]

Thank you. Really appreciate your kind words and support. I hope you are holding up ok. X