There is a reassuring piece in today's media concerning statins that may reassure people taking them:
bbc.co.uk/news/health-37306736
Take comfort if you will, but consider this:
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I have no idea what to think now Mike. I have voluntarily stopped statins for a period of 6 months. First blood test (after 3 months) showed rise in cholesterol, worrying my gp. (Blood sugar and liver function v good) Will see what happens after the next 3 months. I feel I may go back to taking them just in case they ARE good for me! I think my stroke/h attack risk is higher than most because of a fib as well as diabetes, maybe that's why my gp worries.
jan-ran
net is full of various types of reports....just use your brain...be a Swan...not stork....
if your SGOT and SGPT values are improving....be sure your cholesterol will also fall in line...
I am not from medical field.... but this is what i experienced from my medical reports....
I trust my own experience....I don't care about what dietdoctor or jung/fung and all those many sites tells me....I trust my own brain....each person is different....
Don't trust those web sites and videos gets often published here....
Has any of the person got guts to publish his own medical reports and his own experience here??? if answer is NO.....just trust your own experience and brain....
I am sure....you are nice soul....and God will guide you....
Suggest you read Malcolm Kendrick. NO benefit for women!
Cholesterol is NOT a problem.
When we get the loudest proponent of statination Rory Collins revealed to be in the pocket of the people making the damned things surely that's a heads up. Research Ravnskov, Graveline. Buy Statin Nation Here's Ist 13 mins:
Cortisol is not tested routinely here. Thanks for all replies.
cureAdministrator
@anup problem is we really don't know what is normal and safe cholesterol level for us...
There are many controversial reports all over net...
It is said that you should reduce your ldl level by 50% irrespective of you LDL level at the time diagnosis as a Diabetic.
And this is not possible without drugs..this idea of 50% reduction is basically to push statin drug...
Unless we don't know what is safe and normal level of LDL from impartial organizations...all discussion is futile.
In the case of jan-ran since she has stopped statin it is natural for cholesterol to go up and settle at natural level...
since her SGPT levels are abnormal...it points of to some liver problem..and once her liver starts functioning correctly her cholestrol levels will settle to her normal level....
BUT AT NO POINT OF TIME THEY WILL BE AS LOW AS THERE WERE WHEN SHE WAS ON STATIN.
This is my understanding...I am may be wrong...there are many more learned ppl in forum...
@Cure
how sad that still we have to rely on west. It's pathetic that we the country of 125 millions have not yet evolved a system for us to get datas. We can guide the world rather than getting guided by "them ". It can be done but alas nobody is interested. Believe me it's possible. May take some time.
I feel so sad.
Very True suramo
We need will power....and should be determined to have our own system....
@Cure
we have inept policians and corrupt bureaucracy . If they decide they can do it. None at present.
hmmm...I always feel....as we have different life style...different food habits.. different Vit D level.... I think we should have different Hba1c levels...
Cure
we should have our own standards and datas. Possible only if the medical field gets organized. Solo practice should be banned because it fails to generate any data even for notifiable diseases.
hmmm suramo I don't know economical and social implications of ban of solo practice...
But certainly data should be collected....
I do remember...before elections Modiji said in program 'Panchayat' on TV that we do not have any data on how many pulses we export....and when we face scarcity we import same pulses on higher rate... so crating data on exports and domestic requirement will be his first priority.... he sounded that if we get such data then it is very easy to control prices of pulses....
For info: I have had a normal result for SGPT, (ALT) since 2015, no problem there. I think you may be referring to my gamma gt which has been raised, but is settling now. I am continuing without statin, still seeing blood glucose falling (on lchf) and time will tell re. the other test results.
That's him! The most egregious of the statin pushers paid for by the industry!
suramoStar
Anup
"So for 99 out of 100 it's useless. Yes it does increase chances of diabetes by 40+ percent." And how do you know ? Reading from web ? You are going too extreme. The usefulness or unusefulness must be established before making any definite statement. Statins may or may not be helpful to all but there are many who are benefited. This doesn't mean i support or oppose statins. I have stopped statins for about 2 months and next months my lab reports would speak if i was right in stopping statins or not but that would be true for me only because my life style and diet may not be similar to others. So i'm not of the opinion to reject any medicine outright. Also if statins increase D is a hypothesis. Has anybody confirmed that and if yes how ?
How can one say that a person's D caused by statins and if he/she were not taking statins he/ she would not be diabetic ? There are many people who take statins because of dyslipidemia raising their chances of cvd/ chd but they are not D. Such patients may face harm if stop taking statins.
suramoStar
Anup
studies from doctors !! You may believe. I don't. If 99% were not benefited the statins would have gone out of market long back. The people taking statins are not fools. No patient is fool. If you prescribe them a medicine and can't show any good effect of that medicine on them they will not let you sit peacefully. They have to spend money after health which is not in their priority list. So spending money on "useless " drugs according to them will create havoc for you.
Gone are the days when doctors were considered god or next to god and obeyed whatever doctors said.
cureAdministrator
Hidden yes I agree with tightest possible....but what are our normal levels??? we really don't know....we never done any studies on the same....
I had discussion with my doctor...she is on many international panels...and international authority on diabetes... she says they all are working on fixing normal levels for Vit D for Indians....
suramoStar
@Ragivrao
i agree with you. Self educated patients ? And where will they get education from ? Doctors !!😝😝😝😝😝😝😜😜😜😜😜🐒🐒🐒🐒🐒🐒🐒
suramoStar
Anup
and can you guarantee that there would not be less incidences of heart attack if the people stop taking treatment from doctors ?
Yes. You can't guarantee anything in medicine. Not for your own self even.🐒🐒🐒🐒
And will you give guarantee to your patients in that hospital you are going to join ?
cureAdministrator
@anup I agree lower the better.... but atleast let us know what is normal for us.....
Our traditional food is loaded with high carbs....most of Indians have belly fat (does this implies visceral fat?)
Fatty liver is present in most of Indians with central obesity ....
No one is looking into said cause...no doctor looks in to you SGPT ...SGOT values....
Hmmmm In fact I do remember when I posted my results here in this forum....hardly any one noticed those levels....and how those improved to give me better results...
Further it is known that statin distort those levels....
cureAdministrator
and after all @anup this post is from ब्रह्मज्ञानी .... you should ask him.... "you too, Brutus?"
cureAdministrator
may be yes @anup and that is why I say you have that ability to create force....and 'Janjagruti'
You have enough following to do so...
suramoStar
Anup
not a1c but your bs level is important. Still the doctors have not come to the conclusion tf bs level of 140 or 160 or 180 is harmful and if there is different level for different people. Also which are other factors and genes that can resist the effect of high carbs. I have a friend of 69 yrs. His sugar always measures above 300. He is fit and active. Come out of ITP 4-5 times. Had his spleen removed for ITP. He always laughs at me looking at my efforts to control D. But i know his whole family. 5 brothers. All are genetically strong. So despite D he takes sweets etc. And incites me to eat sweets. So apart from bs there are many other factor too.
cureAdministrator
Hidden have you looked in to sgpt and sgot level of your brother and sister???
cureAdministrator
let them upset..... you do ur work....
@Cure
kya yaar aap bhi ha mein ha milaye ja rhe ho ? Why should anybody get upset. Yaha koi bhagbantai thode hi na ho rhi hai !
And at present anup has a handful of followers. The world is not after him. Yes i do agree that by preaching lchf he is doing service to the D community but that should not make him arrogant. Harsh words or bashing others by proficiency of language has no place here. There are all literate and senior people here. No body should be insulted.
And what is he proud of ? Lchf ? That's also invention of doctors. There are many who preach lchf but have not come to light/ public.
Bhai suramo you are different.... there are very few like you....I am really proud of you...
but most of doctors get updated from the literature supplied by pharma
@Cure
you guys have absolutely wrong ideas. Doctors are holding so many cme s to learn. Almost 5-6 per month and there is a great debate. Doctors always try to learn. I speak to many colleagues about lchf and low carb diet and they all take interest. No doctor can survive without updating knowledge. But you people can talk anything but a doctor can't. You are not in the world of medicine. My friend was given a notice merely for not getting uti treated although he went scientifically by getting urine report done. The person was not happy why he didn't get culture sensitivity done which is not a routine practice. Doctors have no reason to get upset. Doctors are neither blind nor negligent but they have to follow protocols. You would be experiencing the same problem. Can't do away with established procedure.
very true suramo they have standard protocols... and anup is fighting against those set protocols....
so he should have all data ready....
@Cure
anup is looking at his success only. He must have good bcf and low IR. He can take food to satiety and control his bs. Others can't do that blindly. Thousands of people including film stars reduce their weight by calorie restricted high protein diet. All the D need to reduce weight. So hypo calorie diet and exercise is must for them.
The data that anup has meaning only to convince us that we can live drug free life by diet management. He should conduct a formal study taking many aspects into consideration.
Very true suramo before going to public he should have very strong data to fight against established system.
Further,even on LCHF it is proved if we do not restrict calories then we gain the weight.
Weight reduction is key to control D
cure
I'm not against his going to the public. On the contrary i wish the poor people of this country could get rid of costly medicines which erode a big part of their earnings. But complications can occur. Then it will be very difficult to convince them. The people don't care for your skill, intention and knowledge.
@Cure
just for fun.
Dus din baad Ganpati wapas ghar pahuche to Parvatiji ne pucha :-
Kaisi rahi prithvi lok ki visit..??
Ganesh ji bole :-
"Tumne mari entry aur dil main baji ghantee ya. ...
Ma Parvati :- ye kya bol rahe ho...???
Ganesh ji bole :-
"char bottle vodka , kaam mera roz ka ....
Parvatiji :- Kya- Kya kiya tumne 10 din....????
Ganeshji :-
"Lungi dance, lungi dance, Lungi dance, Lungi dance.....!!!!
Kartikey :-
ye kya bol rahe ho... ??
Ganeshji :-
12 mahine main 12 tarike se tuzko pyar sikhaunga main....
Shivji bole :-
zamana kitna kharab ho gaya hai, aaj-kal bachcho ko kahi akele bhejna yane musibat ko invite karne jaisa hai ....
Please nobody should take this to heart. This is purely for fun
cure And what data does he have ? If someone says that my a1c was 13.1 and now after 15-30-45 days it has come down to 5.9 or so what do you have to check the reality ? It's hearsay kind of data. No court would accept that. I'm really amused by his negative interpretation of my comments.
cureAdministrator
what is it now @anup
suramoStar
Anup
you are not criticising doctors but spitting your venom unnecessarily. The knowledge you have acquired is from postings by doctors only. And what results do you have. Have you conducted any formal study or rely on few people posting their hyperbolic results?. You can authenticate your results only. And by the way this forum is not for criticizing anybody or any profession. Arrogance has no place here. So please stick to the topic of D. You can preach as much of lchf here as you want. And give satisfactory replies if you are really devoted to abolishing D from the society.
cureAdministrator
That is really nice n wise move I guess @anup
But I guess you should keep eye on all these values as ppl may ask you when you go open to public... and start a good movement against established doctors..
cureAdministrator
Dekho @anup samne kya hai...kya hoga ye batana logo ka kam hai.... you can go ahead....if you have solid reports and scientific data....
don't go by what Dr. fung says...what so and so says....
have your own reports..backed by reports from your team...then and only then you can defend...
cureAdministrator
hmmm there are many ppl like him all over India....
But unless you have strong scientific data backed by medical reports....you won't be able to prove ur point..
consider that as investment
cureAdministrator
nahi bhai @anup you should produce the medical reports....
laboratories just show figures.... those can not be corrupt ....
So producing reports from reliable laboratories should be aim
cureAdministrator
let is be with him....every one may not like to disclose everything.... but be sure....he is experimenting...and open minded doctor....
cure
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Nothing to hide. I'm a bad case. So i'd want the D community to benefit from my case. I'm still on grainfree diet. Fbs is 120-127 range. I wanted to disclose that when it were in the range of 100. I'm on hypo caloric diet. So liver dump and somogyi effect seem not to be acting on me. My interpretation is that because of D my body is loaded with sugar. Now as i'm on hypo calorie low carb diet the sugar is coming out of my tissues into the blood. Since i have been disposing off my sugar gradually i'm gradually getting bs levels down. But the process is bilateral i.e. whenever my bs is high for some reason some sugar seeps into tissues also. So being a dynamic process i'd take more time to get my numbers correct.
Great suramo I guess your FBS was around 150 earlier. Very nice improvement indeed.
cure
180 Range 🐒🐒
Dekho bhai.... suramo congratulations....
you should be thankful to mr @anup whatever he is right or wrong and difference of opinions....
But sure he showed us some way out.....he gave us direction to think....
I always thanks him for this... it is some nice different path he showed...
At the same time...I am also sure he will have hard time when he goes public with all this.... for which he should have hard data ready
cure
You are absolutely right. I'm also thankful to anup. I was on low carb diet but dreaded fats as per my traditional teaching before i came across this forum. Yes anup and you all showed me the way to fats. I studied in depth and that's how i learnt eating fats.
I assure you i have nothing against anybody. Difference of opinion is fine.
Lauki + adrak + garlic + fresh lime juice along with diet control is all that is required. I tried this on two people with high cholesterol levels & miraculous results were achieved. Diabetic people with cholesterol problems, can add methi + jeera & karela. Diabetes also comes under control. But nothing will be achieved without diet control & physical exercise (in moderation)
cureAdministrator
yar @anup our body is most wonderful creation of God.....he is master engineer and master chemist.....
Our body never functions on mathematical rules...
so leave aside those calculations.....
let us concentrate on getting good control....and making life more happy...pleasurable....not restricted by calculations....
cureAdministrator
Great....
cureAdministrator
Bhai @anup when you go against established values.....you will have to have data.... to prove them wrong....
cureAdministrator
so one denies about cutting carbs @anup problem is last part.... high fats....saturated fats....
cureAdministrator
ok....then have YOUR OWN DATA ready.... that is what I say.... don't give what Dr Fung and Jung said...
cureAdministrator
Ok....if you have that no need to worry.... just go ahead....
cureAdministrator
here is some nice lines i use to read on Kesari new paper when I was child...
जा छाव्यानो करा गर्जना दुमदुमुद्या जयनाद पृथ्वीवर
मानवतेवर प्रेम करा ..... तुटून पडा जा मदमत्तांवर
means....ok o cubs....roar loud...let the earth thunder with your roars....
love humanity....and destroy the 'Unmatta'
So @anup bhai...go roar ..let the established doctors scare....love your LCHF....and destroy the established facts 
cureAdministrator
hehehehe was this thread for statin???
in reply to cure
A latest finding on Statins says that benefits of Statins outweigh potential and exaggerated claims about Statins . They are said to reduce the risk of cardiovascular problems like heart attacks and strokes . It is clarified that Statins are safe and effective drugs . Researchers from many international Institutes like the university of Oxford in UK , Johns hopkins university in US , UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY IN Australia have clarified this point .
9- 9- 2016 TO BE PRECISE
cureAdministrator
lol.......
suramoStar
Anup
If Someone on some site writes down some nonsense it does not become truth. Thousands of CMEs are going on all over india. Some by local bodies too. Drug industry can't control all these cme s. And it's surprising that a highly intelligent person like you believe that. According to your opinion all the doctors are same - corrupt and incompetent and inept. As if generated from a single clone. Well you can carry on with your thoughts. Good luck to you.
suramoStar
Anup
you are a highly intelligent person. If you feel bad about somebody insulting and running you down you should not do that to others. Let us talk D only on this forum. You have your own interpretations. Many times away from the facts.
suramoStar
Anup
leave statins and doctors aside. They are not giving the guarantee you are seeking. But will you give the same guarantee which you are seeking from doctors when you will join that hospital ?
suramoStar
Anup
i'm not scaring you. I don't need to. But i know you have your own unique interpretations. There are many unqualified practitioners around me. Yes anyone can run a hospital. But can they do without the help of doctors ? You have double standards. On one hand you are abusing doctors - running them down but for your financial gains you are ready to sit with them !! I don't care about what you do.
suramoStar
Anup
no. I'm still not showing ketones in my urine. So my body sugar stock is burning at present despite my very low carb diet. The important thing is that i don't feel weak.
suramoStar
Anup
i think we have moved much ahead of that. No need to look behind. Let's all prove that our low carb formulas are the best for D people.
suramoStar
Anup
i'm taking enough fats i think. But i want ketosis from my body fats. In 5days your body sugar can't be disposed off. In a D patient the whole body is loaded with sugar rich body fluid. That's why edema. Our body can't be cleaned of sugar so easily. This is what i'm thinking from my own experience. Yes. Those having good bcf may take lesser time. Or where am i getting sugar from ? And i assure you i'm telling you what exactly i'm doing.
cureAdministrator
hmmmm if u say so..... 
cureAdministrator
already did that.... 
it works.... but we need real solution....
we don't want to live under illusion of drug free non diabetic numbers status....
We have to accept we are diabetic and need to find out solution....
Low carbing is just like treating temperature...when in reality you suffer with typhoid.
Even with high temperature...u can bring down same with sponging or crocin... but that does not amount to treatment...
cureAdministrator
Bhai you are hath Yogi.... we are simple mortal human beings...
cureAdministrator
hmmm @anup this is like running away from facts....
just we have saying in marathi....'कोल्ह्याला द्राक्ष अांबट'
means just saying bad words about things which are not suitable for us....
Let us strive to find out how we can digest those also....
cureAdministrator
hmmm how do they say beta cells are lost??? is there any procedure by which u can directly point (no indirect way) out percentage of lost beta cells??
I guess other than postmortem....or similar invasive method is only show that....
I don't think there is any data showing apoptosis of beta cells in living human being..
All data about same is postmortem reports of old diabetic patients.Who were put on heavy medication.
Any data of person who was on LCHF ???
here is one study.
advances.nutrition.org/cont...
Unfortunately, we have very limited tools to study β-cell mass dynamics in humans. Because of the small size of the islet, the lack of good cell surface markers for β-cells, and the retroperitoneal position of the pancreas, it is not currently possible to image islet or β-cell mass in living people. Pancreatic biopsy is also not a reasonable method for 2 reasons. First, there are different islet densities in the various regions of the pancreas, so accurate characterization of β-cell mass would require multiple specimens throughout the entirety of the organ (9). Second, pancreatic biopsy is an invasive procedure that can lead to pancreatitis, which would be an unacceptable risk in healthy subjects.
suramoStar
Anup
what you call study is nothing but results / opinions posted by the people whom you don't know. What i'm saying is that you have to take on a formal study where the people, diet and labs are directly under your supervision and control. Only then you can authenticate the conclusion.
suramoStar
Anup
for sure. We are like mirrors. We show you what you are suffering from and what treatment you can take depending on our knowledge experience and skill. You may or may not follow our advices. Not only that but we have to discuss all the possible options for treatment. Depending on your understanding you may or may not accept our advice. We can't force the patients for anything. Yes. You are very right. You have all the rights to believe in what xyz says and not in me. Profit and or loss all yours.
I have very often said this to my obstinate patients. Believe or not but a doctor can't give wrong advice or she/ he has to wind up his/ her practice. Also each patient in consulting and each surgery is a test of doctors. They have to pass in each case. Being doctor is not easy. I usually avoid trivial procedures like taking stitches on CLWs - contused lacerated wounds because if they gap the people would not come for major surgeries saying itna chhota ghav to thik nhi kar paya badi surgery kya khak karega. The patients are difficult to handle.😝😝😝😝
suramoStar
Anup
hypo caloric low carb diet. I always mean low carb for us and for obese people who want to lose weight/ fat. Well i can't follow your regime. I have to find my diet. You have good bcf. Mine you know.
suramoStar
Anup
And you say doctors are industry sponsored ! There are many like dr unwin. Ultimately the truth prevails.
suramoStar
Anup
then what is the reason that my fbs readings are steadily decreasing ? And whenever i take food - legumes etc at night my fbs readings get a bit high ?
Yesterday i ate lentils - half bowl only and today morning my fbs was 140 instead of 127 which i was getting for last few days being on salad only.
suramoStar
Anup
"No, I am looking at successes of diabetics with even two plus decades of diabetic history too, and even diabetics on 100 units insulin too before they switched." Good. But we have to know how that happened. First and foremost according to my view is calculating bcf and ir. Also diet and other factors. You need to have a format to study these patients and then you can give scientific advice to others.
suramoStar
Anup
"There are millions of diabetics who do it by switching over to diet that doesn't need calorie restrictions." Well we have to find out who need diet restriction and who do not. You have to fix up criteria. That's what is medical practice
suramoStar
Anup
usually i take boiled egg cooked with generous amount of coconut oil adding evoo and pure ghee as dressing. I take fats as my body suggests. I'd achieve my numbers slowly but the gain will be firm if i don't become careless about my diet. But i will have to be grain free for the rest of my life.
The body weight i have lost is because of fluid loss as per my understanding. Let's see when and how i'm losing fats.
cureAdministrator
@anup what suramo says is right.... develop a certain data sheet..may be you can publish same on ur forum....and get it filled... backed up with laboratory reports...
BCF and IR utmost important..
There are others also who claim to have relief with other diet... one among them is Hidden also ShooterGeorge ...
we should have open mind and look at results produced by them also.
And without fasting insulin..these things are not at all possible.
suramoStar
Anup
no. This is not from web. Doctors are prescribing statins for many years. Never heard that incidence of D is high in patients taking statins. Has anybody conducted study about it? For t2d primary cause is genetic defect. I'm talking of D not secondary to any disease.
suramoStar
Anup
cortisol resistance ? Never heard of that someone can be resistant to this stress hormone. Then stress as a cause of D is out because stress acts through cortisol only.
suramoStar
Anup
so approve claim of cure made by someone taking high carb / lwmdr ? If so then what about lc** you so firmly recommend and abusing ada/aha/ama's high carb diet ?🐒🐒🐒🐒🐒🐒
cureAdministrator
Oh come on @anup forget Dr Tripathi and others... I want to see you as Indian Dr Fung....
And money is just one part...look at your followers... they have so much respect for you that they will help you to collect data without money...
Forget what happened in past...but henceforth collect the data...
Don't restrict yourself at the level of Dr Tripathi.... raise beyond that.....
cure @anup
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I like that anup. You always go to extreme. If i have 10million $ i'd enjoy my life and forget my D.
Ab yaar ye collector and affidavit kahan se aa gaye. We have to collect data. You are an IT specialist. Just prepare a format. Ask the people to send their data voluntarily. Computer will analyse those datas and we will have better understanding. We must have some scientific ground to advice / suggest / recommend anything. Now where is the question of not trusting them ?
I liked the recipe you suggested. 😜😜😜😜😜😜🐒🐒🐒🐒🐒🐒. Long Rice Mash Diet Regimen XR - LRMDR XR.👌👌👌👌
suramoStar
Anup
no. It's not mumbo jumbo. There is bmr. You burn calories even at rest doing no physical activity. Add to this bmr you can possibly consume by your physical activity. You and i are sedentary workers but say for example shashi is working in fields. Obviously he would be requiring more calories. Now if we start taking hypocalorie diet our body responds to conserve energy say for example by reducing bmr and by prompting to take more calories say for example by hunger pangs. Now we have to take into consideration many such factors. Real job of dietitians and nutritionists so that our nutrition doesn't suffer. I assure you if your calorie expenditure is same as calorie intake one can't lose weight. A very essential need to get rid of IR. There are many examples before us. Film stars lose weight by reducing calorie intake and increasing C expenditure by exercise. No body can lose weight without low calorie intake and / or increasing expenditures by exercise. Yes in your case you must good bcf so you can control your D by just diet modification and not reducing calorie intake.
What you call calorie excretion is bmr.
"Now if we start taking hypocalorie diet our body responds to conserve energy say for example by reducing bmr ..."
suramo bhai, IMHO it's much more complicated than that.
hmmm @jingle similarly it is also said..when we restrict carbs...our body saves precious carbs for brain function....and therefore it increases IR
cureAdministrator
hmmmm during IF is there any possibility of getting high IR???
suramoStar
Anup
so you are saying he is the only person on the earth to be benefited by high carb diet. Forget doctors and some lobbies. We are discussing here the carbs. You and i are strongly against high carb diet. Do you say by accepting the success of SG that we should review our belief / stand ?
suramoStar
Anup
kya yaar. Everybody has his/ her own system of disposal. There are multiple factors. So taking more calories doesn't give the same result to everybody. Some may gain weight whereas some may have no change in weight. Likewise taking less calories doesn't always end up in weight loss. Probably like thermostat there is a weightstat which might be effective to some extent.
suramoStar
Anup
i have already posted here many times what i'm doing. Low calorie low carb. Taking good amount of fats but not sure if that constitutes 60% of my caloric requirement. I'm on grain free diet for last 2months. Can't change my strategy too often. If this fails after 3-6 months i will reconsider or say try to find out where i was wrong. Of course you are all there to guide me.
in reply to suramo
suramo Why not raise thehigh fats and try
You are already taking some herbals / naturals already along with grainless..
Hidden
I'm really happy to see you after a long time. What i'm theorising is that my body is loaded with sugar. There is lots of sugar in my body. I'm gradually clearing that. I have hit my fbs 113 today. Yes. Down from 180-187 range to 113. I was hitting to 120 range for last few days. There has to be a rollercoaster ride. I'm just waiting patiently. Yes i'm adding pure ghee evoo even in legumes. In all i'm taking 30ml coconad + 20ml cow ghee + pure homemade ghee in addition to my cooking liberally with coconad. Dry friuts and flax seed. Let's wait for some more time. I know i have to be extremely patient.
Once i will hit 100s fbs i'd start taking eggs (which i take infrequently now ) with higher amount of fats. Then will be the time to reduce medicines.
There is an adage "Dhire dhire re mana sab kuchh dhire hoy, mali sinche so ghada rutu ave fal hoy "
Thanks shashi
in reply to suramo
Happy to note the progress
I just glance thru here just to see what cure has shared
Else no knowledge gain in this forum.
Just some fights
But I am in the other forum the entire day.
Drastic improvements as per the lab report I got today.
Will post here later and by eve in the other forum
All the best.
For you I believe the the maybe what diet we follow plus what @cure suggests Is the best.
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Bhaiya ab hum se itni narajagy kyon ? Yaha bhi dikha karo. Till todate i was not very confident but since morning i'm highly confident that i will have good control over my D.
in reply to suramo
All these natural substances takes time
Hence need to be patient I believe
Anyway no Naraj here
But my learnings have increased to a good extent and still miles to go
I pitch in here where necessary only
Meanwhile just to inform you I have started vijaysar tumbler once a day and also milk thistle for fatty liver
Good control in fasting which is around 87 to 95 now.
Congratulations Hidden below 95 is really great achievement..
cure
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Yes. I have been taking natural substances for a long time. But only diet can address your D. All other substances may help prevent complications. Well today my fbs was 107. So my own sugar stock is clearing. Once that's is done my bs levels would depend on my diet only. Let's see what happens.
Last night i had taken boiled egg cooked with 2 tsf coconad and dressed with evoo and ghee and Dry fruits.
in reply to suramo
Are you having fatty liver suramo ..?
Congratulation suramo bhai.....
from 180 to 107 is really great achievement....
Keep it up......
@Shashi
you ask this q because you have appeared here after a long time.
Well i don't have nafld. Nor do have i pot belly. Never had. Waist just 38🐒🐒😜😜 which has reduced further by at least an inch. Bro i will catch you soon. Still 7 months left. Just 2 months on grain free diet. 😝😝😝😝😝😝😝😝😝😝😝Lol. Don't worry. Not as a competitor but as a companion.
cure
Bhai hum bhi kam hathyogi nhi hai 😜😜😜😜. But you are all my inspiration. Thank you all.
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Yes i'm taking methi ajwain and kali jeeri but i have more faith in diet management. Well for last fortnight or so i have stopped taking vinegar. My conscious felt that it's not useful to me. But that doesn't suggest anything. I'm not saying vinegar is useless.😊😊😊😊
cureAdministrator
@anup
Try it. It will cure diabetes in about 6 years as the sleeping pancreas will need time to wake up from it's slumber.
mmmm You too Brutus???? 
you also believe that beta cells are sleeping and not dead???
cureAdministrator
hahahaha anyways.... there is lot to be proved in this regards I guess.... or else i really wonders how istamet works....
cureAdministrator
so reactivation is possible???(may be at early stage??) @anup
suramoStar
anup
Jokes apart. I just read an article. It says there are 3 stages of beta cell.
1) development during childhood and adult age
2) proliferation
3) death.
It was regarding obesity and D. It said people eating high carb diet and becoming obese can have two types of beta cell responses.
1) in some hyperglycemia stimulates beta cells to proliferate. These obese people don't become D.
2) the others have weak genes like us their beta cells fail to proliferate in response to hyperglycemia and become D.
Well. All i have to opine is that if we have weak genes we develop D weather we are obese or thin and lean. I was never obese. My waist 38 for last 20 yrs or so. Less than the recommended 40" for males. Was playing cricket and used to walking until 5 yrs back. No D in parents. Elder bro just developed D 2-3 yrs back. Still i'm D. My genes showed their effect at the age of around 40. So genes are more important. Some say hyperglycemia stimulate beta cells to proliferate and some consider it for cell death. These are all hypotheses. Genes are responsible and diet is the answer.
Congratulations for the lower fasting numbers
Thank you for the response
Shashi
you seem to be free today. Thanks to you also for providing inspiration. Also thanks to my family for supporting me despite very negative feeling about high fat diet
suramo
Schedule as tight as ever
But saw the progress of yours
So thought would just congratulate you
I asked about fatty liver as I had it
Started milk thistle and fasting reduced by 10mg/dl
So thought could put in my two cents
in reply to
Also I have had many naturals to fill in all the nutritional gap I may have had
Probably th along with the diet is yielding results after a year
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