Probiotics need information Please

[Gymsack]

Please advise

I have been eating yogurt all my life ,usually the kind that has fruit on the bottom . I noticed a few years ago that the company that makes it had been fined $ millions in France for advertising and labeling that their product was somehow more healthy with live components than other yogurts.

How do I access Probiotics ?

Is it yogurt? which one of the many on the shelf , when and how do I use it?

Can I make homemade?

any negative things to watch for or problems ?

I am reading everything but so much out there . It is not just for me

Thanks

[Boscoejean]

possibly kefir

zoe.com/learn/what-is-kefir

Kefir can be made with non dairy options as well

culturesforhealth.com/blogs....

[Gymsack in reply to Boscoejean]

That was informative, thanks

[LindaP50]

my husband enjoyed making his own yogurt. Delicious and creamy. Need a starter kit.

Kimchi is a good probiotic as is sauerkraut.

Now we just buy plain Greek yogurt as hubby would need my assistance. We are taking the easy path nowadays.

[chartist]

If you want to take a probiotic that, in a study using a specific probiotic (Hexbio) in people with PD, that significantly improved their MDS-UPDRS motor and non motor symptoms as well as significantly improved constipation, you might consider this :

bcrobes.com/working-adults

This probiotic is significantly less expensive than PS128 probiotic.

I wrote about it here :

healthunlocked.com/cure-par...

Here is a link to the PD/Hexbio study :

journals.plos.org/plosone/a...

Here is a relevant quote from the study :

' Within-group analysis showed significant improvement in the GTT at 8 weeks, in the probiotic group from 125.26 (SD54.81) hours to 77.32(SD55.35) hours, p <0.001. No significant difference was observed in the placebo group. The MDS-UPDRS II (MDS UPDRS III median NMSS and median PDQ-39SI scores in the probiotic group significantly improved compared to baseline. For the placebo group, there was significant improvement in the NMSS scores (p = 0.007) compared to baseline, but no significant improvements were observed in the PDQ-39S, MDS UPDRS II and III. '

Art

[Gymsack in reply to chartist]

Thanks Art reading it all now

[Fed1000 in reply to chartist]

Hi Art, It is produced in Malaysia. It will be expensive and difficult to find. Is worth?

[chartist in reply to Fed1000]

I think Despe said it is about $150 for a three month supply as she ordered it and I believe that is significantly less than the PS128 probiotic that is often discussed on this forum.

If it produces results similar to what was seen in the study, those seem like worthwhile effects.

Perhaps Despe will fill us in on how it works for her husband after the three months are up?

Despe

Art

[Fed1000 in reply to chartist]

Thanks Art, I just wrote to the company asking for a cost estimate for a supply.

[WinnieThePoo in reply to chartist]

Art

RTFQ

"No between-groups differences were observed in the NMSS, PDQ39-SI, MDS-UPDRS II and MDS-UPDRS III scores"

That means "in a study using a specific probiotic (Hexbio) in people with PD, that significantly improved their MDS-UPDRS motor and non motor symptoms" is very very untrue

[chartist in reply to WinnieThePoo]

This is the actual quote from the study :

' Within-group analysis showed significant improvement in the GTT at 8 weeks, in the probiotic group from 125.26 (SD54.81) hours to 77.32(SD55.35) hours, p <0.001. No significant difference was observed in the placebo group. The MDS-UPDRS II (MDS UPDRS III median NMSS and median PDQ-39SI scores in the probiotic group significantly improved compared to baseline. For the placebo group, there was significant improvement in the NMSS scores (p = 0.007) compared to baseline, but no significant improvements were observed in the PDQ-39S, MDS UPDRS II and III. '

That seems pretty clear that the MDS UPDRS ll and lll improved significantly in the probiotic group and not the placebo group.

Art

[Esperanto]

It is all about variety when it comes to nutrition! Almost all types of yogurt contain probiotics. Try to switch between different types and brands as much as possible!

Different probiotic strains have different health benefits, so by consuming a variety of foods, you can benefit from the diverse probiotic strains they contain. In addition to yogurt, there are other foods that contain significantly more probiotics, such as fermented vegetables (like sauerkraut and kimchi), kefir, fermented soy products (like tempeh and miso), and fermented dairy-free alternatives (like coconut yogurt and almond yogurt). It is important to check the label to see if the product contains probiotics. Some types of yogurt are pasteurized, which kills the probiotic bacteria.

Fermented Food > Living Cells / Serving Size

Milk kefir (grains) > 4000 billion / 250 ml

Natto> 1000 billion / 250 ml

Anti-SIBO yogurt > 500 billion / 250 ml

Water kefir > 500 billion / 250 ml

Kimchi > 250 billion / 250 ml

Sauerkraut > 25 billion / 250 ml

Miso > 25 billion / 3 tbsp.

Kombucha > 15 billion / 250 ml

Yogurt > 3 billion / 250 ml

Milk kefir (culture) > 2 billion / 250 ml

[Pivouanne in reply to Esperanto]

SBonjour e

[Gymsack]

That is exactly what I will do

variety is the spice of life

Thanks Esperanto

[WinnieThePoo]

You are correct. It is a topic with the potential for confusion and well:meaning misinformation. To be of any use at all a probiotic needs to be live - well strictly viable

Dead bacteria do nothing at all. So whether it's yoghurt or capsules if you follow it with a hot cup of tea they're probably all dead

In the case of your french yoghurt, live probiotic bacteria like l. Acidophilus convert sugar as part of their fermentation. That includes the sugar in the fruit of your flavoured yoghurt

To stop fruit flavours being fermented in the pot manufacturers either kill the bacteria or cover the fruit with a protective slime.

If you want natural probiotic live yoghurt you want the plain unflavoured variety. If you want to sweeten it stir in a little organic honey just before eating it

[Gymsack in reply to WinnieThePoo]

Thanks Winnie

That cleared a lot up

MMMM protective slim👍

[Dabaa]

Most health authorities agree that commercial yoghurt is a poor probiotic preferring kimchi and sauerkraut, kefir. Home-made would be superior.

[Lionore]

Kefir, sourkraut, kimchi, fermented foods in general. I take a probiotic capsule every day.

[Gymsack]

Thanks everyone

I do not expect much if any change in my PD and any inprovement is a bonus but I am hoping for improvements in my digestive system and bowls less bloating, gas, discomfort and more regularity. I had a bout with bacteria a few years ago that tried to eat my leg but was thwarted by a doctor who used a massive anti bacterial soup and I suspect my natural internal bacteria is still not right.

Jim

[garygjs]

I think you have previously mentioned pain, Gymsack...?

I'll reluctantly post this here. ( I have no desire to raise delusional hopes, be thought a lunatic.)

We introduced Jarrow's Ideal Bowel Support (l.plantarum 299v) after another member mentioned it helped with pain.

I'm not sure it helped with mum's digestion - though, it might for others - but it does seem to help mum's back pain. A lot. Frankly, a besetting, chronic problem has been all but eliminated since it's introduction.

My guess - if it is the explicit cause of the improvement - is that it's doing something neurological rather than, say, 'reducing inflammation' or whatever. Pain is always a neurological phenomenon.

We're all aware these days of the gut-brain connection yadda yadda, but this all strikes me as pretty extraordinary and I remain very much open to the possibility that this is mere coincidence (though I have dropped it a few times only to see the pain return etc etc).

Might be worth a shot. Killing two birds etc etc