Has anyone used Fisher Wallace device for depression? my neuro thinks my mood could be exacerbating my PD symptoms. I have tried Pristiq, Vibyrd, Wellbitin and Lexapro, each for 6-8 weeks. None of them made a difference, I am still very depressed and my fatigue is off the charts, Bradykinesia is getting worse, apathy reigns supreme, speech is worsening...
If you have used it, did you see any results?
Have you looked into low dose Lithium Orotate? Lithium may help with depression AND help treat PD:
It seems low dose lithium may be neuroprotective:
Lithium Orotate for Depression and more? healthunlocked.com/cure-par...
How Lithium Orotate treats the brain healthunlocked.com/cure-par...
Effects of Lithium Therapy on Blood-based Therapeutic Targets in Parkinson's Disease. (Trial in Buffalo): clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show...
Here is more on the trial: healthunlocked.com/cure-par...
thanks so much, My late husband was bipolar and at one point he was on lithium but he did not like side effects, weight gain being one of them. It is ironic the meds to treat depression (what my late husband suffered from and Parkinson''s(which I have) .... this drug doesnt work try another one, take this drug as it will make the other work better... some of the side effects are what the drug is supposed to treat... it takes weeks to know if it will be effective,,,what seems to be the most effective drugs,lithium for depression and C/L for PD have been around for a long time... In other words, throw stuff against the wall and see what sticks. I will speak to my neuro about lithium.
This is different than the Lithium Carbonate dose they use for bipolar). I think for Lithium Carbonate the dose is 450 mg? Anyway, I have a HS degree so am no expert. Just know that trial is going on and the doctor running it has a book coming out next month: The Promise of Lithium promiseoflithium.com/?utm_c...
Good luck. Depression sucks.
As someone who has taken lithium for bipolar you need to be careful as it caused me to have kidney problem
I've just started The Cinderella Story of Nutritional Lithium by Greenblat, MD. On page 8: "Lithium prescribed at pharmacological doses can have disabling, irreversible side effects."
Pramipexole has been demonstrated as an effective treatment for depresssion in parkinsons.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl....
thank you... Pramipexole is a dopamine agonist anf my neuro weaned me off neupro as he helt the potential side effects were too risky. I will ask him
Your neurologist is being cautious but they do not have first hand experience of PD depression and consequently should not be the one to make that decision. Insufficiently treated apathy and depression are crippling. If the argument is that its worth living with those simply because of the documented risks associated with DAs, then i reject it.Of course, if those risks materialise for you then that is different.
Please, can you tell me how you weaned off neupro and why your doctor advised it? What about neupro does your neuro thinks is too risky? I have developed worsening RLS since taking Rasagaline / Azilect and have recently read that dopamine agonists, although prescribed for RLS, can cause it to worsen. Thank you
I weaned off up under neuros guidance . I believe I was at a 6 patch, them he went down to 5, then 4,
, 3, 2,1. I don’t recall how much time between decrements. Your prescribing doc should be able to guide u. I think he said the side effects (obsessive, compulsive behavior) appeared more in people over 70, I believe I was 67 at the time. He did not mention RLS
I think this therapy might have some concerns: Does the Fisher Wallace stimulator cause headaches?
Furthermore, seven adverse reactions were reported during or following the use of a Fisher Wallace CES device, including for disorientation, vestibular problems (balance, coordination, dizziness, vertigo), headaches, tinnitus, anxiety, depression, fatigue, brain hemorrhage, and death.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...
i have not had any of the side effects you mentioned, since it is a money back guarantee, i most likely will use it for another 2 weeks to see if any changes, if none, i will return.
try Hardys daily essential nutrients with added vitamers. And rhodiola rosea but check interactions
thanks, i have a hard time swallowing and have been down the supplement path many times, spending a lot of $$ with no results,,
So had we but this Hardys really works. It comes as a powder and scoop as well if you can’t swallow.
we have have tried other vitamin supplements and I even tried to recreate this formula ratio using other products with no success but this made a big difference quite quickly. He had clinical depression for years and tried all sorts of antidepressants which had a really bad effect causing mania , he tried to kill himself. Now the depression is gone. If you can afford it it is worth a try but you need to take the clinical dose of 4x 3 per day or scoop equivalent of the powder to get the effect.
Here is a video on how to swallow. They use this even with kids with success.
hardynutritionals.com/video...
the rhodiola works on apathy
I don’t have the link handy but it is on the Parkinson’s movement disorder, alliance website under past webinars and there is a YouTube video featuring this Doctor who is a psychiatrist at Johns Hopkins. He recommended rivastigmine for PD apathy. I’ve been taking it in and have increased my dosage recently and found it to be miraculous. Apparently it is used for PD dementia, but has the added benefit of being normal protective and somehow having a positive impact on apathy. I’ll try to get back to this link in the next few days with a specific information. I ask my psychiatrist to prescribe it for me based on the information I provided her and I am so glad I did. I was already on antidepressants.
i have returned the fisher wallace device as i did not see any improvement in my mood
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