Pfizer Jab

[JimmyJackson]

I am 83 had my 2nd jab on Jan 7 I am increasingly convinced that it has had a detrimental effect on my current non alcoholic cirrhosis Has anyone else had any similar experience ?

[Hidden]

Hi JimmyJackson

That is a big statement to make and could be quite a harmful statement. In this climate when some people are nervous about vaccination we don’t need anymore scare mongering.

If you feel that your liver has deteriorated then you should speak to your doctor ASAP .

[JimmyJackson in reply to Hidden]

Intend to speak to my consultant next week don’t agree with your comment. Sweeping any ‘possible ‘problems under the table is stupid

[AyrshireK in reply to JimmyJackson]

I don't think you are scare mongering Jimmy, if you've had an increase in symptoms post vaccination then yes definitely worth running it past your consultant (it may be purely coincidental or may possibly be linked). There may be an impact here due to your age, side effects are one of the things they need to know about with vaccination roll outs.

Hope you get some answers from your doctor.

All the best, Katie

[JimmyJackson in reply to AyrshireK]

Many thanks Katie, as a final comment I would say that if given the choice now, I would still go ahead & have the vaccine

[Supportinghubby]

Sorry to hear that. Obviously people under 60 with underlying conditions will be receiving their vaccine soon, my husband included so I'm interested in what makes you say that. Like Katie says, it could just be a coincidence. Let us know what your consultant says (if you don't mind).

[Richard-Allen]

I hope I can clarify something here.

Our livers pass around 2000 litres of blood and filter’s it 350 times per day. The liver in a way acts as part of the bodies immune system by getting rid of harmful substances and dead blood cells.

In doing this, our bodies main immune system cuts the liver some slack and doesn’t go looking for bad things so much. It just leaves the liver to get on with things. Consequently, this leaves the liver more venerable to attack. Having a covid vaccine is merely telling our immune system what the virus looks like and to attack it.

Our bodies are full of specialist cells called Macrophage. These specialised cells are involved in the detection, phagocytosis and destruction of bacteria and other harmful organisms.

There are also Hepatic macrophages, these are the clever little cells that identify those liver cells that have become damaged, and set about making repairs.

Once our bodies Macrophage cells know what to look for as In the Covid-19 virus, they can identify it and send out a signal to another group of specialist calls called cytokine. The cytokines sort of turn round and say, “Hey guys, we’ve found a virus, our macrophage friend here needs help”. The body then produces millions of both Macrophage and cytokine cells to attack the invader. Sadly there is a slight downside to all this, as it had been found that these cytokine cells, can cross over the blood-brain barrier and alter a persons mood.

So, to cut a long story short, the covid vaccine is important in telling those macrophage cells in our immune system what to look for.

I’d also like to add that some fellow liver transplant recipient people who take tacrolimus (anti-rejection medication) may like to know, that those people who become seriously ill in hospital with covid, and who end up on respirators, are given tacrolimus. This is because the immune system has gone haywire and crazy. Tacrolimus is then used to calm the immune system down, so it can get back on track and fight the virus.

Everyone should have a covid vaccine. It won’t do any harm to your liver, and might just help you not stay out of medical trouble.

I hope this helps put things into perspective.

Best Wishes

Richard.

[Bunsenhoneydew in reply to Richard-Allen]

I thought the virus stimulated the T cell response not the macrophages ? Am I confused ?

[jacob123 in reply to Richard-Allen]

The statement "everyone should have a covid vaccine" is wrong. There are those that are advised by the medical authorites NOT to have the jab. There are medical conditions that doctors say prohibit some from vaccination. Some of the vaccines are not suitable for instance for those on blood thinners etc.The statement "it won't do any harm to your liver" is in my opinion rash at the least. What LONG TERM studies have been carried out to support this?

The answer is none. The manufacturers of this vaccine state clearly that it is an "experimental vaccine" This Mrna type vaccine has never been used before and has been developed in months when other vaccines take decades. The period of testing was approx. eight weeks!

The final statement " it MIGHT just help you not stay out of medical trouble"

is the best any can hope for, then again, it might not!

[TT-2018 in reply to jacob123]

The Royal Free have just released a study showing that 50% of Covid patients have raised levels of Troponin causing damage to their hearts.

I have already been vaccinated and urge everyone else to do the same.

I am not aware of any liver patients being advised not to get one.

[Hidden in reply to jacob123]

My husband is on blood thinners, takes methotrexate for PMR, is 59 and has been called for his vaccine next Thursday ...... hurrah ... a step closer to freedom 😀

I am sure your doctor will advise you as to whether or not the vaccine is suitable for you.

I wonder how many people questioned other vaccines when they were created such as polio, smallpox, whooping cough, cholera etc. We don't see such diseases any more... and consider how much further advanced we are these days than we were back then? It's our only chance of coming out of this pandemic before even more lives are lost or severly damaged by this cruel virus.

[Kakey in reply to Richard-Allen]

Thank you for that. Do you know how that would then change for autoimmune liver disease?

[vulnerable in reply to Richard-Allen]

Hi Richard, that was an interesting read albeit I’m a bit confused at your interpretation of the work of Macrophage. However, I do understand you were getting this explanation across in everyday, plain language.

I’m impressed with your thoughts on Tacro as I too have a simple theory that immunosuppressant/anti rejection drugs can provide some protection / treatment for Covid 19. I was not shocked to learn that Dexamethasone was initially found to be useful in treating Covid patients in ITU. As a Midwife, I have used that same steroid for mums who had gone into early labour for example. This aided the unborn baby to ‘open’ its lungs when born - kinda like (simple terms) fairy liquid as a lubricant to expand immature lungs. Soooooo therefore useful in treating Covid.

I’m interested to find out if any studies are being considered for the use of anti rejection therapy in the treatment of COVID . Moreover, is there a correlation between Tx patients on anti rejection therapy and infection rates from COVID? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

NB these are purely my, simplistic thoughts and not evidence based. 🌈

[Richard-Allen in reply to vulnerable]

Many thanks for your reply, because of the recent spate of unwelcomed private messaging, I thought it more polite to ask if you'd mind if I wrote you privately please?

[vulnerable in reply to Richard-Allen]

I’m not interested in ‘he said she said’ convo . Otherwise I’m good with PM

[hells456]

Can I ask how badly you feel it has affected you? I understand if you are not comfortable speaking further on this. I'm supposed to have this jab next Friday and I'm wondering whether to put it off for a bit. I've been shielding for a year so a bit longer won't hurt.

[Hidden in reply to hells456]

I have had the vaccine without any problem, if you check with your Doctor I am pretty sure you will find there are no officially reported problems

The risks if you catch Covid are far higher than any risk of the injection.

Note the writers comments he would still have the vaccine

[Hidden]

Hi Jimmy,

If you are in the UK and have health concerns then you should report to your doctors or call NHS111

If you are concerned about an adverse event after having the Covid-19 vaccine, it can be reported here;

coronavirus-yellowcard.mhra...

[Tommy62]

My mum got her jab on Sunday she is 82 and has felt a bit dizzy and sick my brother rang the docs they say you can feel like that for upto 7 days after getting it but nothing to worry about my mum hasn't got cirrhosis but it affects everyone differently