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A recent post, on the Marathon and Half Marathon forum, by Irishprincess triggered this post...Her post was very much about how we as runners are aware or unaware of those folk around us, how they impact on us and how we may, impact on them. I replied to her, as I had been thinking of similar things for a while, and had an experience which got me thinking.

Initially, I felt that what happened to me was just a simple, natural reaction, but as the days have gone on, the whole thing has stayed with me and really got me thinking.

So... here is my account of the weird experience which I referred to in the last Quest post. A tale for a wet winter's afternoon.

The Tunnel

A week or so back, I ran.

A short and sweet run, one of the Bridge to 10K runs, to be taken in the glorious Derbyshire Dales. The air clear and dry, sunshine and huge white clouds. Perfect.

Husband and I headed for Middleton Top, parked up and as he locked the car, I set off running. I would run out for a few kilometers, he would walk and then I would run back and pass him, walking towards me en-route.

Off I set; a few folk around, dog walkers and hikers. A couple sitting and sharing lunch, sheep grazing, a tractor in the fields below, the distant throb of lorries trundling on their journey from quarry to depot, bird song and peace.

The first lap was in pure sunshine, as I moved away from Middleton Top, the tall chimney and the long-parked, tender in a siding. Feet landing lightly, breath coming easily, heels rounded, and shoulders relaxed. Looking around, exchanging a greeting to any passer-by and onwards away into the distance. A good day to be running. After a while, I was alone, running well, looking around and simply enjoying. I came to a cross-track and wooden gates, gates that had appeared since our last visit pre- pandemic. Startled suddenly, by another runner coming around the corner, I opened the far gate and through. Here, there was no one, behind or in front of me, and gradually the wider path narrowed slightly, straggly trees closing in a little, but still glorious blue sky and sunshine.

Breathing a little harder now, as the air was chilly, I was making steady progress, soon to be nearing a point of turning around and heading back to meet with Mr. OF. As I rounded a corner, my view changed... trees gave way to a huge stone-walled, moss and creeper- covered trail edge...the huge stone blocks, building up, and up, until it seemed, I was running hemmed in, on both sides, by sky-blocking stone, towards a tunnel.

I felt my heart skip a beat and stopped for a second or two. The tunnel in front of me, although not overly long, seemed to stretch almost endlessly, towards a small spot of light in the distance. I listened. No sound except from within the tunnel... soft drippings and the sounds of small, loose stones falling from the tunnel roof and sides.

I was suddenly, very aware, that I was out of sight or earshot of anyone, and I almost turned back; but, I'm a runner, I had another .5K at least to go, so, in I went.

Immediately the chill, the damp, malodorous atmosphere and...the dark. After the bright sunlight, I shivered, and again, almost turned. The tunnel, as I squinted against the darkness, had the usual refuge insets every 100m or so... and I was unable to see into even the first one. Here, unbidden, my vivid imagination took over; what if... what if there was someone in one of the refuges, what if they grabbed me as I ran past, who would see or hear... my heart was thumping, when I spotted, quite suddenly in the far, far distance in the sunlight at the end of the tunnel... a person.

Well, if they were there, and with the echoes in the tunnel, if I screamed or hit my wrist alarm they would hear and come to my aid. So, I ran... towards the sunlight at the end of the tunnel, I ran, but with no confidence and with no style, I simply wanted to get through. I ran in the dead centre of the tunnel. Not looking to the left or the right, ignoring the drips, the strange scrabbling noises, the uneven, wet, slippery ground beneath my shoes, and ignoring what seemed to be a low whistling sound, just running to get through; until suddenly I was out and running towards the sunshine and onto the far trail. I looked in vain for the person I had seen, but they had gone.

My watch pipped as I ran and I knew I had to turn. I had to go back the way I had come and I felt nervous.

Mr. OF would be walking and watching for me, I had run the tunnel once and I could do it again, of course I could... Running slowly back towards the entrance I took deep breaths and filled my lungs, with what I hoped was enough air to run as quickly as I could. I ran out of the sunshine and once more into the dark. The clammy air touched my face, the warmth of the winter sunshine drained from my body into the ground and I was cold. There is a phrase. Chilled to the marrow and it was instant.

But, there was nothing else for it, I had to go on and I ran; trying to block the trickling sounds, the scrabbling and the scuffling, the whistling, which seemed louder, (wind no doubt through ancient brickwork) , but rationale had no place in my brain right now. I ran and ran, and ran and I was unaware how quickly, until with a final burst of unexpected energy, I exploded out, between the threatening stone walls, rounding the corner and back into the blessed warmth. I had no breath left and was aware that certainly, for the last bit of the tunnel, I had been holding my breath.

I did not stop, I simply slowed my pace, moving forward and and counted as I have always done, 1,2,3,4 until I regained my breath and recovered. It was as if I was in another world, the trees, the track, the fields and the distant hills. Blue sky and white cloud, a walker coming through the far gate, a pleasant exchange, through the gate and on...halted by a shout from behind, I turned and Mr. OF having walked another section of the path was coming towards me...just a quick exchange, and I finished the run and headed back towards my husband.

I recounted my adventures, to him, and resolved never to run through that section unaccompanied, again.

I have, over the last few days, researched the tunnel's history, and no sinister events are recorded as having happened, under its shadowy depths . But...

In 1937, there was an accident... on the Incline just beyond the tunnel, a train derailed and there was one fatality.

I have gone over the run in my head, many many times since I found this out.

Was I, senses heightened, by some recent events and female runners, over-thinking. Was it, as ever, my ridiculously over- active, imaginative mind, was I just being irrational and silly... or was there, is there, could there be, something more?

Floss x

P.S.

I have always been a tad unnerved by tunnels. As a child, train tunnels, canal tunnels and tunnels under roads, on trails or paths, were not my favourite places. That nervousness has stayed with me.

On my beloved fields where I love to run, there is, as I cross the small track belonging to the small Heritage steam railway at the top of the fields, a tunnel. I do not have to run through it, I merely glance at it as I cross the track. In all the years I have lived in the area, I have never gone through it. It is on an unused part of the railway and nothing goes through it. It is dark, shadowy and secretive. It may keep those secrets.

I have always, also, had a vivid imagination. It fires my writing and my painting. Since I began to run, I have added fuel to that fire, by absorbing the sights and sounds around me... I run and I ramble as my friends on here are well aware . I love reading, devouring books from an early age , living and breathing the stories, tucking them away in the memory. One such story, The Signalman by Charles Dickens. It terrified me as a child, haunting my dreams and my waking hours and when years later I watched a televised version, those fears, resurrected, terrified me afresh! I started to watch it again this afternoon. I turned it off.

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Irishprincess profile image
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We’re so alike Floss with our imagination and β€œwhat if” questions. I am exactly the same. It can be exhausting but it’s great for creativity!

But what a story! You mentioned it in your reply to me but this is the β€œDirector’s Cut” version πŸ™‚

I don’t blame you for not returning to this tunnel. why would you when there are other glorious open spaces to run through? But who was this person? What a mystery.

Coming from Ireland I, of course, have all sorts of suggestions about your experience but I do believe that there are things in this world that we can not understand or we are not ready to understand.

And I guess we should always trust our instincts.

Thank you for sharing and stay safe lovely lady xxx

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toIrishprincess

We are alike...and the added link that all my maternal side were from Ireland adds to that. I do have a vivid imagination and tales told to me over the years stay with me. I could tell many tales about unexplained happenings....

I know that J and I will go there again, but when I run, he will cycle with me!!!

It was odd...but as you say, maybe a reminder, that we should always trust our instincts xx

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IrishprincessGraduate10β€’ in reply toOldfloss

Just think of the tales we could tell sitting by a fire on All Hallows’ Eve……. 😱 xxx

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toIrishprincess

We could have such fun! The house I grew up in was made for story telling. I used to lie in bed and I could hear the sound of a Victorian lady's dress as it swished along the landing outside my bedroom.... and the cellar!!! Eeeek!

Maybe it would be a good idea to get together and put some of our tales together for a book!

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IrishprincessGraduate10β€’ in reply toOldfloss

Oooh fab idea! Let’s make it happen!

We use to have a 17th century cottage and various guests had strange things happen to them that we couldn’t explain ….. 😱 xxx

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toIrishprincess

I feel a plan coming together!

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misswobbleGraduate10β€’ in reply toOldfloss

Oh gawd, funny you should say that. One of my dog sitters for the evening ran out of our house ! He heard footfall in the room above of someone crossing the room.

Victorian gothic house which was very spooky indeed, especially with bats and owls all over the place πŸ™‚

Me and OH were well aware of it and initially freaked out by it. It was no ghost though and we solved it. Accoustics of an old house.

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply tomisswobble

Creaks everywhere...wonderful..! My childhood home, just like that! X

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misswobbleGraduate10β€’ in reply toOldfloss

I was looking for that response! I’d have to go back to. πŸ˜€

Get back there and lay that ghost! πŸƒβ€β™€οΈπŸ™‚

On a bright, warm sunny day it will look quite different. Hopefully 😁

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply tomisswobble

Should have gone today, but life and weather has meant postponement...Next week, fingers 🀞!

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misswobbleGraduate10β€’ in reply toOldfloss

Yay! Good for you. Have fun out there πŸƒβ€β™€οΈ

I just ordered a Wobble cushion! You’d think with a name like mine that such a device was a given πŸ˜€

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What's a wobble cushion???,

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Oh Floss,

reading this I had shivers down my spine and became aware of the hairs on the back of my neck.

That certainly is creepy, and no small wonder it has been preying on your mind... whoever you saw or thought you saw gave you the courage to go onwards, and going back you just high-tailed it back to safety, but I wouldn't return there either. Our fears may be irrational, but the fight or flight mechanism is real and keeps us safe.

Your story is a creepy one, has issues we should all consider, but thank goodness all was well.

We need to keep ourselves safe and make the right choices about where and when we run. Your tale has highlighted the importance of this.

I don't think Mr OF would let you do that again.

I have a vivid imagination too and am thinking all sorts now.😢 Your writing is wonderful.

Stay safe out there. xxx

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toBluebirdrunner

Thanks you...it was ,as many slightly scary things are, just unexpected on such a lovely day.

J will go with me if I do that again...but we have planned that I run the other way next time. The only scary thing that way is a steep hill!!

Yes...we do need, without being too fixated, need to be aware. There are some very unpleasant folk around. Caution is never misplaced.

I hope I haven't scared you too much xxx

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BluebirdrunnerGraduate10β€’ in reply toOldfloss

No, you haven't ☺and I have a hope that we may run through some tunnels together on the Monsal trail this year!🀞xxx

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toBluebirdrunner

Now that really would be absolutely amazing !!! I might even be actually moving a tad faster by then :) x

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nowsterGraduate10β€’ in reply toBluebirdrunner

It does look (from the Wikipedia article) that the tunnels are lit.

Ooh! There's a parkrun there too! (But it's a 75 minute drive from me.)

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misswobbleGraduate10β€’ in reply tonowster

They are lit but it’s hard to see oncoming cyclists if they don’t have their lights on. It takes a while for your eyes to adjust to the gloom, having gone in the tunnel in daylight. I’d keep well left πŸ™‚

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I’m in but injured so I might be walking most of it πŸ™„

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I was thinking of Dickens and his fear of the railways as I read your tale Floss. It seemed to evoke the darkness of his thoughts and fears. You have been on heightened alert for some time though so I’m not surprised you felt like this. I’m glad you were able to rationalise it in some way. I hope it hasn’t spoilt your love of running in the countryside xx

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toTailChaser

I have been a tad ... err edgy as you know xxx It was unexpected and stayed with me longer than I thought. But... I love Derbyshire and if I need to lay a few ghosts... so be it :) I did have a good run :)

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TailChaserGraduate10β€’ in reply toOldfloss

You’re doing so well Floss! It’s so good to see you out there again πŸ€— You can’t beat the healing power of a runxx

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Superb photo! What a creepy experience 😱 My experience of tunnels has been coloured by several walks near Beddgelert through a long dark tunnel with unexpected puddles. This was in the days before mobile phone torches. No way would I have gone in on my own πŸ™

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toalpacagirl

I think I may know the one... been going to Snowdonia for 50 years plus! It was just a very odd thing, but on the positive side, I think I got a PB on the last lap! Fear lends wings to the feet.x

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alpacagirl60minGraduateβ€’ in reply toOldfloss

I have a feeling the tunnel may now be closed to walkers as they have restored the railway - but as I haven’t been there for many years who knows!

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Spooky ! 😱

There's a tunnel on one of my canal 10k routes but it's just about 5k from where I start so usually turn around when I get there .

I have however attempted to cycle through it but it's a bit narrow and creepy! 😳

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toInstructor57

Eeek.... I am not too bad on my bike... but they are weird places... we went through the Harecastle Tunnel when we had a narrowboat... I had to hide in the cabin with my eyes shut!!!!

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nowsterGraduate10β€’ in reply toInstructor57

There are two short tunnels on the canal I run on. One's under the motorway with the path on a pontoon bridge. I have tripped there when one of the plates was lifted and I didn't see it in the gloom. The other is where the canal dips under a main road, and there's a short tunnel where the towpath briefly leaves the canal. It's cobbled and always has puddles in it.

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply tonowster

To be fair, I think the dangers of falling or tripping in a tunnel are greater than any I imagined that Day!

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nowsterGraduate10β€’ in reply toOldfloss

I ripped a small hole in my trousers and got a bit of a bruise on my forehead from that. But I picked myself up and finished the run.

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply tonowster

That's just as it should be...glad you are okay!

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nowsterGraduate10β€’ in reply toOldfloss

It was nearly a year ago!

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I would want to conquer that pesky old tunnel so it held no fears for me....that would mean taking a very firm hold of my imagination and all the 'what if's' , challenging them with all the ' what thens?'....and telling my self there must be beauty in it somewhere because it's in such beautiful surroundings.... If all that failed, I'd do other routes!

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toMormor1

I would try and I will go there again. Not one to give up and as my Nan used to tell me, ".. we have more to fear from the living than the dead".!

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I could feel your fear Floss and would have run through with you to being calm and peace to an unnerving experience. Very brave of you to keep going and not turn round

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toSueAppleRun

Running with friends is always good... Although, when I ran through the two tunnels on my HM on the Monsal Trail, there were an awful lot of runners... and I still did not enjoy the sensation! But I would love to run with you two xxx

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Elfe560minGraduateβ€’ in reply toOldfloss

I have cycled along the Monsal trail & I can tell you, I was very glad to have Mr E on the front of our tandem in the tunnels! Great route though. πŸ˜„

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toElfe5

It was a beautiful run, and Mr OF have cycled it too! A tandem sounds such good fun...! The tunnels there are wider than the Hopton one, and they do have lights which are used sometimes... but it still feels eerie! My son in law ran with me too on my HM ( first one) for company so I was not on my own. I paused to take photos from the viaduct too!

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Elfe560minGraduateβ€’ in reply toOldfloss

Yes, great view there! Funnily enough, when we cycled to the Monsal Trail, I commented to Mr E that it would be a really good running route – little did I know… πŸ˜„ This was our first trip to Derbyshire & a kind friend recommended two good cycling routes based on old railway lines. πŸ˜„

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toElfe5

It is a beautiful place and there has been a lot of contention over the past year or so, as there have been moves to reopen a line and close it to walkers etc.I did my first HM there, and although I had walked and cycled, running there was completely different!

The High Peak Trail is so beautiful. We are rediscovering, if you will, all our favourite places, after the lockdowns of the pandemic, when we were unable to enter Derbyshire!

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Elfe560minGraduateβ€’ in reply toOldfloss

Yes, rediscovering places after lockdown is a joy.πŸ˜„

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misswobbleGraduate10β€’ in reply toOldfloss

I intend to remember to stop and look over the edge this year a OF!

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Hopefully putting this in writing will have helped, Oldfloss? But on a lighter note, I can definitely see it as one of those 'Ghost Stories for Christmas '?

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toJonathanP

Well..I have got it out of my system now.. and.....the televised version ofThe Signal Man was on BBC Ghost Stories fir Christmas..with Denholm Elliot..years ago!!

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JonathanPGraduate10β€’ in reply toOldfloss

Yes I remember seeing it too!

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toJonathanP

It is still very unnerving!

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misswobbleGraduate10β€’ in reply toJonathanP

… and me. I am a Dickens fan 😍

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Indielass00

Your very brave Oldfloss . I wonder if you did indeed spot a ghost! I do enjoy a ghost story and have seen the Signalman too. Thanks for sharing xx

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toIndielass00

No... Just heightened senses... and an awareness of all things seen and unseen... I love ghost stories too... I frightened myself so much as a child! x

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Crikey Oldfloss , I can understand your fear but that was worthy of a fire and marshmallows! When I was young my Nana told me about her brother who was at war serving in the navy. Whilst he was away his beloved sister Sarah died and they had no idea how to tell him. When he returned he said I know about Sarah. Our ship was hit and we were in the water. Sarah helped me to safety ...

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toJell6

So many tales like yours... there has to be a deep affinity between family members...Oh my... what a story you have there xx

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Oh my goodness. 😱. I think I may have, like you, just run through the tunnel and back. Brave though! I have a tunnel on one of my routes, but it's not as long as this one, and I only brave it on a summer day!

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toRoxdog

Well... it was sunny, but I have to say, I think when I do run it again, it will be with Mr. OF on his cycle! x

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Love your writing Oldfloss ! That would be an astonishingly fashion-forward ghost though, looks like it's wearing some sort of anorak or walking jacket to me!

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toCmoi

Photo shop, courtesy of me...original photo from Dickens' time. !

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CmoiGraduate10β€’ in reply toOldfloss

Ah, so you wanted a retro-look ghost then?!

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toCmoi

Yes :) x

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CmoiGraduate10β€’ in reply toOldfloss

Quite right too! :) xx πŸš‚πŸ‘»πŸƒβ€β™€οΈ

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grumpyoldgirl

Brrrr, I just got a shiver.....I hate tunnels, everything inside me screams not to go in, and normally I obey! The panic usually builds as I get towards the deepest point then gradually recedes as I come out the other side. I think it's a deeply ingrained survival instinct to be afraid of such places but that doesn't explain your ghostly apparition 😱.

Or the way some places, like this tunnel, have an atmosphere that you seem to have tuned into that day.

Have you listened to the "Uncanny" series on Radio 4? Lots of unexplained events, including a haunted room in a student hall of residence. I try not to listen at bedtime. Maybe save it for when your heart rate returns to normalπŸ€”πŸ€—

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Newbie59β€’ in reply togrumpyoldgirl

I had to stop listening to this podcast at bedtime (lying in bed with the light off before dropping off to sleep). It's very good 😱

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toNewbie59

Eeeek!

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply togrumpyoldgirl

I do have a vivid imagination, I know this, but yes. They are odd places. It was unexpected for me, I never gave it a thought until I rounded the coroner and saw the tunnel !The middle bit was worse and I really did go for it on the return route! I think I got a PB on the last few meters.

I haven't listened to Uncanny... do you think I should? I will have a listen , but maybe not at night?

I have had a look and I can download the episodes so i am going to listen to one this afternoon. Thank you x

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grumpyoldgirlβ€’ in reply toOldfloss

It's worth a listen - but they can be unsettling because they are real life events, with often no real explanation. I listened to one as I was getting ready for bed when Mr Grumpy was away. I lay there in the dark listening to every bump and creak and wondering whether I'd remembered to lock the back door, but curiously reluctant to go down and check πŸ‘»

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Newbie59β€’ in reply togrumpyoldgirl

The one about the remote bothy in Scotland was very good

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Maddee_6333Graduate10

I wouldn’t go back there, either xx

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toMaddee_6333

We are runners... and Mr OF will be my guard :) xx

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Excellent post from you Oldfloss, perhaps the "person" you saw when running through that tunnel decided not to go through it and went a different way.

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Newbie59β€’ in reply toAlMorr

Yes, I thought OF had frightened THEM away :)

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toNewbie59

I am very scary, it is true! Weird old lady running!

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toAlMorr

I am not sure... I thought that they were walking towards the tunnel, but because of the fear thing I had not registered other pathways off or anything.Obviously my photo here has a photo shopped image.. but I am studying my original tunnel shot to see if I can blow up the tunnel, to see if they are there.

I posted this as one or two folk asked to know what had happened. Fortunately this was a strange thing, and quite unlike the dreadful physical attacks on runners, that have been in the news recently!

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You should have saved that for Halloween!

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toMrBassmanjazz

I do have more odd experiences that I have had running, one quite early on in my running life:)

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misswobbleGraduate10β€’ in reply toMrBassmanjazz

My son calls me The Old Bat out of Hell β˜ΊοΈπŸ¦‡

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply tomisswobble

Love it!!!

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Spooky Oldfloss, but you beat those gremlins once and for all.

Your post reminded me about signing up for the monsal trail 10k, but I discover we are already committed on that day. UTS is playing hockey at exactly the same time and I will be doing a tourist parkrun close by.

I will make sure I’m there in 2023!

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toDexy5

Oh gosh, so disappointing... but that does mean that there will be a lovely target for 2023. I think I may do the 10K this time if I can build up enough strength by then! I felt a lot better after sharing this funnily, I have slept better! Thank youx

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Dexy5Graduate10β€’ in reply toOldfloss

Glad to hear it, It’s the drips of water that would have got to me.

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I've encountered one or two very real men behaving in ways that put me on alert in a non-specific way along that stretch. Iffy mobile reception too, even when you're not in the tunnel. Right at the other end of the trail as it were, by the canal at High Peak Junction there were a number of incidents with female runners a few years ago.

I so miss having Google with me! I remember one time (not on the High Peak Trail) when she didn't half put some chap behaving oddly on notice, which isn't like her at all. (In practice I think he may have been looking for somewhere to excrete which also makes a person look rather shifty!)

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toGoogleMe

Yes... sadly, the living cause more fear than the dead! This is becoming more common now than ever, it seems that there are incidents logged every week.I can only imagine how much you miss Google... her company and her protection. I have thought, on quite a few occasions that a canine companion would be just the thing!

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misswobbleGraduate10β€’ in reply toOldfloss

It’s true πŸ™‚. I still walk with my former running buddy but he can no longer run as he’s got too rickety πŸ•. He was great for reccying a run as he’s rufty-tufty looking, and I was always unafraid to go anywhere when he was with me

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I can so identify with these feelings. For myself, it’s a battle between the fears invoked by such places and my reasoning (statistical likelihoods, etc.) You were in one of my old stomping grounds, which brought back many memories. As I’m sure you know, like many parts of the country now devoted to agriculture and leisure, it’s an area that was once devoted to dangerous industrial activity. I think we could find examples of violent historical workers’ deaths all over this landscape: some recorded frantic events, but many more unrecorded everyday accidents or slow sickness from mining heavy metals. It’s dense with them, including in the sunny bits. That’s my reasoning brain.

But, knowing this, I still identify. Nearby, just south of Cromford is an incline where a runaway works’ wagon smashed. I recall being there as a major storm set in, with the trees whipping and snapping all around. I was terrified. There’s something deeply melancholic about these areas, with the stone and moss, the dripping of ground water through the old rail and canal structures, and the unique shaded chill where the sun never ever reaches. I shiver at the thought - as I did reading your account.

And it’s reasonable to be cautious, too, especially in the light of recent events. The fears themselves are both rational and not all at the same time.

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toGailXrunning

Cromford...I have climbed on the Black Rocks there, many times years ago! It has changed a lot over the years now...

Gosh...that experience must have been very frightening, and yes you are right... the places exude the memory of the place. Like old buildings... I call them Stone Tapes.

I, like you, try to be rational, but for some reason this resonated with me. I do think currently I am over sensitive for many reasons,

I would do well to focus on the rational and not the irrational !

I will return there... but not on my own, that is for sure! x

Dang, you are either more brave than me or more foolish than me! I would never ever have dared enter that tunnel. On the contrary, I'd have turned around and speedy-gonzalesed away from there! Got the shivers just reading your story!

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ha ha! I was tempted, but I did it... and I did manage a very speedy run on the return through the tunnel so that has to be a good thing ? x

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Haha I remember when I followed a path through the large cemetery a few streets from me. It's a very big cemetery with also memorials and such from the wars. A lot of people go there to run and there is a route you can follow. But once of a sudden the route tracked off into a heavily wooded area. I went in, but soon started getting scared. It was VERY wooded and you could hear and see nothing but creaking branches and all. I did not Jeff that part and I ran the fastest I had ever run! Looking at a map afterwards, it was the only area in the cemetery where there are no roads, no graves, nothing at all but very thickly wooded forest. I am never going run there again...

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I have on a few occasions been plunged into darkness on the trail ☺️ Once In woods behind a popular stately home I had my ferocious Jack Russell with me though so felt quite unconcerned. I had to get back to to car however πŸ™„

Once on a road run I went onto the trail for a wee and was quickly caught in the enveloping gloom. It was a full moon however ☺️

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Nothing to fear, but fear itself?

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On that moonlit night it was memorable for being hilarious πŸ˜†. Quite how I got myself into such a ridiculous situation πŸ™„. The first unscheduled loo stop wasn’t the first of the evening ☺️ There was worse still to come on the way home πŸ™ˆ

Maybe your ghostly figure was simply looking for a place to β€˜go’ πŸ˜€

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What a spooky tale! I think I would have turned around. Then felt really daft. But still not gone on my own! You were brave!

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OldflossAdministratorGraduate10β€’ in reply toCowladyrunning

Or a daft old lady? It was weird, but having shared the tale... I feel a whole lot easier about the whole thing now :)

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I suspect I would have felt safer if my husband was in the area too though so not so daft!

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That was a great read! Thank you πŸ‘

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It was, despite all, a good run! X

Goodness me Oldfloss! You had me hoping that the figure in the distance was Mr Oldfloss come to rescue you via a different route. No more tunnels for you then?! 😱

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Ha ha..that was a fun photo shop..for this post...I think I could have seen something, it would have been better!I shall there again.. its a lovely trail, but Mr OF will be with me on that bit, on his bike!!

The original shot...
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Thought of you and this post when I row-ran through a more happier tunnel today and thought I must come back to your post and send you a happy tunnel post ! 😁

So just popping in to wave hi πŸ‘‹πŸ‘‹πŸ‘‹.

😘

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