That's not a lot of calories for your body to do what you want it to do Tbae. From what I remember, you put your body through a lot and don't forget, calories are still being burned in the days after strenuous exercise so you need to take that into account. We need fuel otherwise we don't work 😭
The 800 calorie thing is probably for couch potatoes which you're not of course 🙂
Anyway, you don't look as if you need to lose weight. Just saying....
Yes they say it is much tougher for ladies.Metabolism differences.
At least this one is 800 every day, not 500 for two days.🙈😂
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OldflossAdministrator60minGraduate in reply to Tbae
Nope.... not enough calories for anyone who runs... sorry!
Mr OF use aspects og Michael Moseley's Eight week eating regime.. but no fasting and we only incorporate bits of it.. ( Mr OF has genetic Type 2 Diabetes)
Nope. I think intermittent fasting has its place but not if you’re planning a day of physical exertion. I take my sleep as my fast. I go to bed earlyish, having had dinner by sixish, so by breakfast time i’m Ready to eat some porridge 🥣
I’ve done late nights over Christmas and it’s made me feel out of sync 🤪
I have so far done 9 core exercises x 20 reps x6 days from the biggest loser programme.planks/dumbell crunch/triple crunch/reverse crunch/superman crunch/ dumbell Russian twist/dumbell side bend/abdominal twist/twisting windmill and 450 reps on 15 all body resistance m/cs daily.
That should terrorise the lard but Nope. 🙈😂😂
No worries Floss I aim to be the best looking corpse.🙈😂😂
Final little bit can happen! 😃That extra push to get you over the line
If I need to get some lard off sharpish I cut down on my bread, eg once a day instead of twice. I then swap my weekly menu. I change it completely and eat something different for a week. We can get into ruts with our weekly meal choices and our bodies get used to them. Changing things seems to make our bodies wake up and take notice, and shifts up our metabolisms 💪👍🏃♀️
I’ve been eating more meat over Christmas because of meals out and at relatives etc Now i’m Keen to get back to far less meat. I think meat and wheat sits in the gut far too long. Me no like 🤨
The author has not denounced his previous work he has just updated/ tweaked it with the latest research.
As you said if you wish to go for the 14 day continuous option, no exercise is recommended, or his original 5:2 but with more fasting daily calories than previously.Too many people found it too severe and it has been tweaked/ increased to ease that.They found that people were consuming 800 cals anyway.
I notice his wife a GP and he of course have colabarated on the menu’s on this edition.
He has also gone to the trouble of increasing weight to then demonstrate the losses.
Tried and tested.Clear medical explanations and ready to use.
Just what I may need, and simple.
I like proven instruction to get on with.So the 4-12 weeks 5:2 may do me and carry on exercising.
The 14 day is not an option without exercise.
Thanks for your comments MJ, but Tbh, his stuff is very thoroughly researched.
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OldflossAdministrator60minGraduate in reply to Tbae
It is....I love his work... but take a look at him and his and his family's lifestyle... it makes interesting reading...
Mosley knows how to get headlines when he has a new book out. The evidence is that most calorie-restricted diets fail because participants revert to their old habits once they achieve their target weight.
Far better is to adopt a new lifestyle by cutting out the calorie-dense 'empty carbs' and increasing veg, fruit and fibre. People obsess about protein but we don't need very much and meats are typically 60% protein/40% fat. Carbs and proteins typically have 4 calories per gram but fat is 9 cal/gm.
I'd be more interested in reading 'Fat Logic' by Nadja Hermann (featured in the Observer and Telegraph this weekend) for a more practical insight.
It’s true. It’s about our way of life and healthy eating habits being maintained I am a long term WW member. Folks lose weight and then revert to eating shite at the first opportunity. its as if they never learned anything 😕
Actually the evidence is contrary to that. MM has researched the long term weight loss from different styles of weight loss programmes and the ones who go for a sharp weight loss early on tend to keep the weight off. This is based on trials and not press headlines. His book explains all this and has the academic references and research sources in the appendices. The 800 and the 5:2 are a route to an eventual mediterranean diet (ironically now more prevalent in the nordic countries than the med). The book is well worth reading for the information and scientific approach.
Worth anyone being very careful and consulting a doctor first, but especially as you're planning such a huge workload (15 hours a week?). Ketosis mobilises fat into the bloodstream in order to replace triglycerides in the muscles. The greater the triglyceride deficit in muscle, the more fat will be entering the blood, the higher the risk of a heart attack while exercising as the blood gets 'sticky' with fat. That's why hydration is so important with any ultra-low calorie diet. I use intermittent fasting myself, but try to avoid full ketosis (which the 5:2 week does) as I have SVT already. I wasn't allowed to join an ultra-low calorie plan (LighterLife) because of my heart. A friend on the Cambridge diet plan (ultra-low calorie) was advised to not exercise at all during the first 4 weeks, so she had to delay starting C25k.
And yourself Tbae, I never like to put a downer on something, and goodness knows I've plateaued over the last 4 months and I'm not an expert, but I was a bit worried for you.
Personally, I'm trying to cross-train and be a bit more aware of the amount of sugar I eat. It's like Mosely was saying about the blood sugar stopping fat burn. Not that I'm going to extremes and carb-free, just ditching the liquid calories and added sugar, and initially doing 2 cycling sessions a week, of which one will replace a swim, which may be more of a fat-burner for me.
Agree with other forum friends Tbae. Reducing carbs and sugar (replacing with a piece of fruit when you get that sugar urge) and portion sizes where necessary, alongside c25k and b210k, helped me lose nearly 3 stone over 6 months (although my main concern was type 2 diabetes). I think the issue is sustainability for the long-term?
I didn't see the TV feature but this Fast800 is all over the press.
I don't have a lot of weight to lose but even half a stone can be difficult to shift now that I'm past my 20s - way way past 🤣
But I did try his 5:2 a couple of years ago, great recipes that I still use now and I did have success. But as ever the Lbs creep on. I'm going to give it a couple of weeks to try Fast800 but only because I can't run with pulled calf muscle. If I can lose a few pounds then my return to fitness might mean I'm a bit quicker!
As a diabetic type 2 (richly deserved!) I was given a bollocking by my doctor for trying the 5:2. I was feeling weak and nauseous on the fasting days and he warned me of the consequences of having a hypo at the wheel. Anyway, I quietly and simply reduced my intake to 1500-2000 calories a day (I'm a big bloke) and over 2 years have dropped from 125kg to 105kg. No deprivation, just a lot of painless tweaks. I don't regard running as a way to lose weight - energy in out-does energy out except at Olympic standards.
Atb going forward and pleased you are working it out.
Must say I trotted twice a day for a month,each day and built up each week from 6k daily to 9k daily or 30k per week to 6ok per week.
I had never felt in such better control and the lbs very steadily dropped.
I kind of thought of that as my contingency weapon when needed.
Shifting the final middle stuff is one of my goals at present, and if what I am trying at present does not yield results I will certainly introduce again the 5:2 on the 2 days 800 cals as per Fast 800 and get the job done.
Thank you for replying and every good wish to you and with your plan going forward.
Hi, this was the only approach that has worked for me in the long term. I was a fat diabetic and always hungry. The 5:2 diet showed me that hunger is ok and soon passes. I lost lots of weight and graduated to a maintenance controlled carb diet. It has improved the diabetes enormously. I can maintain a bmi of about 23, am at week 8 of c25k and at nearly 75 fitter than I have been for 50 years. I encourage overweight folk to get an ok from their GP and just go for it!
I’m glad most people on this forum feel that this diet is too harsh and strict and not really sustainable. I was shocked when I watched the clip and realised it is being endorsed by the NHS. Surely slow and steady wins the race. Dramatic changes may bring dramatic loss but will probably not last.
Yes people, particularly ladies have found the original, 6 years ago, harsh or very difficult.
This latest revised launch has been tweaked to address these concerns with the latest medical research.
Interestingly the research has proved also that rapid weight loss as defined in the study is good🤔
or the complete opposite from most people’s perception/ thoughts.
I am not on commission 🙈😂
just looking to do the best for myself.
As always we are all uniquely different and with different needs and different solutions to our problems.
Our common golden thread is there are no problems only solutions.🌟
I just had no doubts first time a few years ago and it worked for me and helped together with this fantastic forum bringing me to this point.So I can honestly say after 3-4 years it was sustainable for me,but you have to work at it.It was a year ago that C25k and this forum lead me to make it part of my life.Fitness is fickle and hard won and quickly lost.Running just has to be part of my life and forever, it’s that simple.
I also have no doubts whatsoever that this Fast 800 is proven medical science on real people this time and not mice like previously.
Tbh I am surprised that you are surprised re the NHS.👍👏👏
Perhaps the link may clarify some things.
Thank you for replying N, I appreciate your thoughts and concerns.
No worries, and best wishes with your plans for 2019.
I did the 500 cal 5:2 for around 3 years and stopped it when I started running ( bit of a mistake I think !)
I am going to resume it in a month or two, I might try the 800 cal version, but 14 hours without a cup of tea is putting me off, and I cannot learn to enjoy it without milk.
I was thinking of doing it after my run as I don't eat before hand, and am never hungry after. It's only twice a week so probably achievable.
I never had any intentions of remaining on it when I did it 3-4 years ago, and came off and just sustained things with exercise and thoughtful eating.
Not good after a run and excertion not to feed yourself.Even if it’s just a banana.Its strongly advised.Remember even on C25k, MJ saying.Of course the medical supporting stuff will be there.
Hydration very important on the 5:2 stuff,but the milk thing even semi skimmed deletion takes time to acquire.
I think this tried and tested piece of medical research is like so many other gifts to the world in this field of fitness and health.
Wow - this is what I was searching for. I successfully completed Couch25K last week, along with a diet restricted to 1,500 kCal and 150 grams of carbs per day. The diet is in week 11. That combined diet and exercise has moved me out of the pre-diabetic range into normal whereas in August my Hb1Ac level was measured at 58 (now 41). I am very encouraged by the results, and intend to stay on the 1,500 calories per day. I may increase it a little. So in accordance with my DESMOND course advice, I had concentrated on two important measurements - those of Hb1Ac blood glucose level, and of weight. I lost a stone. My plan for the next three months is to concentrate on chest diameter - now 38 down from 42 inches, and systolic blood pressure. Specifically I can measure both these numbers myself at home. I plan to use intermittent fasting to achieve this, and it looks like the 800 calories for 2 days per week would be just right for me instead of reinventing the wheel. I love the Mediterranean diet anyway, specifically East Mediterranean (Greece, Turkey, Lebanon, Syrian food), so that won't be difficult for me at all. I just bought the book on Amazon, and also included "Fast Diet", something I had seen previously on BBC about HIIT and its positive effects on blood pressure. I will check with the GP first, but I am very keen to reduce tablets taken to regulate blood pressure. I never took diabetes type 2 medication. I asked the GP to hold off for 3 months to see if I could self-regulate with exercise and diet. It succeeded. Thanks very much for the link.
Yes, that was the video I had seen and I watched it again. It reinforces the other material in the books which was the reason I decided to buy them. Thanks for the heads up
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