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Physios, niglettes, Crawley and more physios

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10

The saga continues.

Saw my local physio again on Monday afternoon, after a fun-packed day with a client in Crawley. Crawley is not a natural holiday destination.

Physio prognosis was that other than a very tight left quad, everything was pretty much okay. Nothing wrong with my hip or knee. Her view was that exercise, by its nature, tightens things up. Too much tightening eventually brings on pain. Stretching reduces tightness. Therefore stretching is the answer. There was some analogy about a ruler. And a lot of chatting about a holiday cottage in Wales while she massaged my IT Band.

But I was concerned that we seem to be in "let's fix the symptoms rather than tackle root cause" territory so I availed myself of my medical insurance and a tackled Nuffield for a second opinion.

A phone consultation with them yesterday sounded reasonable. Very much focused on "Let's get the immediate residual pain sorted out but let's concentrate on getting your legs stronger and working out what's really going on here." So I'm seeing them in Tunbridge Wells on Friday and they can continue my therapy in Crawley as I move around over the next few weeks/months. The man on the phone seemed to want to get me to doing Box Jumps at some point; if I can do box jumps then that would give me enough leg strength to do anything except an ultramarathon. All the indications seemed to be that this was a relatively easy fix.

We'll see.

I'm also down for a Sports Massage tomorrow. Fun and games.

I did go for a jogette this morning. Lots of thunderstorms overnight and the temperate is right down now thankfully. A walk down the lane, a jog back, rinse and repeat. My knee didn't half moan at some point - I thought it might collapse on me. So stopped. Walked. Lots of stretches. Some foam rolling. Fine now. But alarming at the time.

3K in total and my blessed HRM wouldn't even give me its normal "Running Index" calculation because I hadn't done enough running. Never mind.

So slowly and gently is the motto here for a while. Alarming that a 500m slow jog now feels like a stretch; I might go back to C25K W1 just for some structure. As long as I'm careful. That has to be better than aimless walking/joggetting.

So I'm not out of the woods yet. But I'm feeling better about it and that's a bonus.

Let's see what the accumulated wisdom of PhysioWorld has to say for the remainder of the week.

Onwards and sideways!!

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Tasha99
Tasha99Graduate10

It’s great you’re up and about though. Good idea about week 1. You could just do one run from each week rather than the three runs? Try building up faster if the leg holds up? Love the word ‘jogette’ BTW 👌🏽

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to Tasha99

Micro-jog? :-)

Tasha99
Tasha99Graduate10 in reply to sallenson

No. Jogette 👌🏽

Irishprincess
IrishprincessGraduate10 in reply to Tasha99

The word "jogette" is mine. I used it in a post years ago when I returned from injury and it described the first tentative run back 🙂

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to Irishprincess

It's a fine word :-) Serendipity brought me to the same place :-)

I have no issues with returning it to you, all polished up and in perfect working order xx

Irishprincess
IrishprincessGraduate10 in reply to sallenson

Serendipity is one of my favourite words 🙂

No need to return it. It's my gift to all forum members 😘

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to Irishprincess

"Serendipity" is right up there with "Patisserie" in my lexicon of good words :-)

Irishprincess
IrishprincessGraduate10 in reply to sallenson

Oh I could get carried away here. "Crisps" does it for me. Or "cheese". But maybe you really do like the word "patisserie" ......🙂

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to Irishprincess

"Cake", "Cheese", "Chocolate". Just a few of the "C" words :-)

There's the remains of a chocolate Swiss Roll I made yesterday sitting in fridge waiting for elevenses too :-)

Sounds like a sports massage will be a good idea. As my therapist tells me........ he didnt put the pain in there, he is just helping get it out. Phew its a painful road...,,but you will get there. Good use of the roller, plenty of stretching, the correct daily strengthening exercises got me through my knee pain....... along with ultrasound therapy, a raft of physio appointments and mucho patience.

Hope it comes good soon.

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to Millsie-J

Cheers, hon. Me too.

I'm not having a meltdown, don't worry. I just want to be able to run around a bit like I used to.

Just a temporary set back. Normal service will be resumed with attendant Stephen nonsense in its wake :-)

Millsie-J
Millsie-J in reply to sallenson

No meltdown insinuated Stephen. Injurys happen.

I've been on holiday in Crawley 😂

Good to hear there's some positive news in the sense that it seems there is nothing serious wrong, but I know it's frustrating when it still hurts and it takes such a long time to put right. I know what you mean about the jogettes - been trying 7 x1 minute runs interspersed with 1 minute walks.

I hope your appointment on Friday is helpful and you begin to feel you are getting somewhere.

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to Eiralas

Fingers crossed and trouser-dropping at the ready.

It's just frustrating more than anything, but we'll both get fixed soon enough I'm sure :-)

_SimonT_
_SimonT_ in reply to sallenson

Trouser dropping? Cough! 😳

GoGo_JoJo
GoGo_JoJoModerator

Blimey! Yep Crawley is not a holiday destination by all means. It doesn't get nicknamed Creepy Crawley for no reason! 😉

I'd recently read somewhere about jumping and bounding being good for strengthening muscles.

It is a frustrating cycle finding the right balance between activity, rest and stretching/repairing 😕

I hope they have some better answers for you 🤞👍

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to GoGo_JoJo

Frustrating is the word.

I even pulled the car over yesterday evening when a guy was clearly running hill intervals on our lane just for a chat and a bit of "bravo" :-)

If I can't run proper-like I can at least admire people who do :-)

GoGo_JoJo
GoGo_JoJoModerator in reply to sallenson

Awww bless. I'm sure it won't be too long and you'll be back out there.

I guess we can't expect all those years on the couch to have kept our bodies in the right level of shape for all this activity. Blame the couch!! 😉

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to GoGo_JoJo

* smacks couch *

"Norty couch!!"

I'll be back out there properly soon enough, doncha worry xx

ju-ju-
ju-ju-Graduate10

Very sensible going for the fixing the issue focus rather than the sticking plaster approach. Exactly what you need for long term strong legs. I am so lucky to have the most amazing Osteopath who I feel I know quite well having seen him for months on end for two seperate injuries. Onwards and upwards...!

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to ju-ju-

Defo. I am so not beaten on this. It's a minor glitch, nothing more. And everyone's saying it's fixable and temporary. I get time to sort out playlists for every conceivable occasion too :-)

ju-ju-
ju-ju-Graduate10 in reply to sallenson

Yes!!!! That’s just the focus you need... oooo I love a good playlist!!

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to ju-ju-

It might mean weaning myself off LedZep for a while. That sounds like a bit of a stretch to me.

I do have at least 80 recordings of Schubert's "Winterreise" (hour-long song cycle about a jilted lover walking through a wintery landscape towards madness and death) to look forward to when the evenings get darker.

That will cheer up the forum a bit :-)

ju-ju-
ju-ju-Graduate10 in reply to sallenson

😱

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to ju-ju-

I have an endless supply of things to scare people with. Be warned :-)

ju-ju-
ju-ju-Graduate10 in reply to sallenson

I’ll get my panther claws out ready!

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to ju-ju-

Oooh!! Kinky!! Now we're getting somewhere xx

Katiepops
KatiepopsGraduate10 in reply to sallenson

I love Winterreise! Although I only have 1 recording (Jonas Kaufman, as he is god-like). My dad used to play it all the time when I was a kid, waiting for me to “grow out of this pop stuff”. Never thought of it as running music though. I love your plot synopsis!

I think I like ‘synopsis’ as much as ‘serendipity’

Man you are seriously in the wars at the moment. Hope the new lot of medicos can help. 🏃‍♂️ 👨‍⚕️ (That’s supposed to be a doctor by the way!)

Sadie-runs
Sadie-runsGraduate10

Aw, Stephen, you know this just a little glitch on your running journey, right? Have I ever told you about my litany of running injuries / aches / nigglettes? I had around 3 months of niggles after finishing C25K - like my body had an evil check list. Pulled hamstring? Check! Sore hip / arse cheek? Check! Plantar fasciitis? Check! Strained calf muscle? Check! Pffffffft!

Now I have been running 4 months with no sniff of an injury, during which I completed the 10km programme. What changed, I hear you cry? Well, I think in part I was getting injured so much because my tendons, ligaments, muscles etc were still not quite strong enough. With that in mind I stepped up my strengthening exercises, and recently brought in more cross training. But...ultimately, it was just time and persistence that got me to where I am now. At one point, I did C25K all over again, just one run from each week. It was a good way to get back to basics and build up slowly again.

You will get there. Glad you are also getting some expert advice, and a sports massage will do wonders for your tight quad! Hang on in there buddy!

Sadie-runs xxx

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to Sadie-runs

I'm hanging in there. Not beaten. It's a temporary glitch. I'm a runner. I'm not down. I'm just waiting on the starting line for that whistle.

I will recycle the C25K things a bit tho, assuming that I get all clear from the assorted professionals.

Strangely ironic that I seemed to cruise thru C25K (in a non-sexual non-predatory sense) and then suddenly the wheels kinda fell off. That seems a fairly common occurrence.

But I'm mending. I'm keen. Just a bit frustrated from time to time :-)

Sadie-runs
Sadie-runsGraduate10 in reply to sallenson

Yup, happened to me. Breezed through C25K with barely an ache, only to fall apart after!

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to Sadie-runs

We just got in there early before the rush.

I'll be back out there and panting before you know it :-)

misswobble
misswobbleGraduate10

Have you seen the height of that box 😁😁😁👍. Ooooooeee 💫

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to misswobble

I thought it was just like a cricket box :-) I know better now :-)

misswobble
misswobbleGraduate10 in reply to sallenson

Just how tall are you? Have you got long arms ...... ?

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to misswobble

6ft 2. Like an orangutan. Think "Giant, malformed orange bendy toy" and you won't be far wrong :-)

misswobble
misswobbleGraduate10 in reply to sallenson

You’re gonna need those long arms

You don’t get a run up 😳

😁

Dizzysmum17
Dizzysmum17Graduate10

Glad you’re managing a ‘jogette’ despite the pain. Taking it easy is good though - and, as Tasha99 says, going back to week 1 sounds like a good plan. You’ll soon be up and running again (see what I did there!) - take it steady 🏃👍😊

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to Dizzysmum17

Will do hon xx

Irishprincess
IrishprincessGraduate10

You're going through what I went through two years ago and I ended up with orthotics. Strong glutes are the key to strong knees and I'm sure you'll hear this a lot from your professionals. Apparently we runners have notoriously weak glutes 😕

It'll be interesting to see what your diagnosis is.

I was going to say "enjoy your sports massage" but that's not really the right term 😩 I have one once a month and have come to look forward to it now. I don't wear mascara because I used to leave most of it on the couch. Just thought I'd pass on that advice 😂

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to Irishprincess

I won't glam up for the occasion :-)

I thought just some one-piece spandex number. Possibly off-the-shoulder. With toning accessories....

Irishprincess
IrishprincessGraduate10 in reply to sallenson

I'm jealous of your style 👗👠👛

Ripcurlrana71
Ripcurlrana71Graduate10

Sports massages are great and logical next step. Get ready for some pain but hopefully ease your pain. Slow jogette is good. Hope all goes well. xx

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to Ripcurlrana71

Embrace the pain like a Real Boy :-)

mountaindreamer
mountaindreamerGraduate10

Glad it sounds like you’re making your way along the road to recovery now, Stephen, even if things are still annoyingly frustrating! Getting second opinions etc all seems like your best longterm plan to avoid more issues. Take things as carefully and slowly as you/they feel is needed, and we’ll all be here rooting for you! 😊❤️🏃‍♂️

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to mountaindreamer

I'm fine really. hon. And it's a slow day for me today so I can mess about on here a bit.

Hopefully the assorted physio gurus can get me back on my foot properly and soon. Everyone's saying it's a relatively simple fix, so no real concerns xxx

Saartjie
SaartjieGraduate10

Sorry your running journey has been temporarily halted Stephen. Sounds like you've got the right people to get it sorted though. Wishing you a speedy recovery and many successful jogettes along the way 🏃‍♂️😊

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to Saartjie

Not quite Fighting Fit again yet. But I will be, hon xxx

AlMorr
AlMorrGraduate10

NIce post from you Stephen, glad your injury is almost a thing of the past. As I told you recently, I had a slight injury on my right hip, lower down at the buttock to be precise, it only got sore when I ran, nothing else. My plan is to restart running soon with run 1 of week 1 on a Wednesday (my week being Wednesday, Saturday and Monday) first run of week 2 on a Saturday and so on, hopefully doing it that way I will at last after about a month be able to run the full 5k distance, I wish you well.

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to AlMorr

You too tiger!! Raar!!

Didn’t know where Crawley is so looked it up. Very surprised to see it gets its own motorway!

Went to see Mission Impossible last night. Tom Cruise did a stunt jumping from one building to another, broke his ankle doing it and got up and ran past the camera to finish the shot. And he’s not half the man you are, Stephen, so if he can do it I know darn well you will! 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻

This post will self destruct in 5 seconds... 💥

Dexy5
Dexy5Graduate10

Isn’t Tilgate park in Crawley Sallenson? I remember going there with my nieces when they were younger and it was lovely. Any good for a nice jogette?

Hope all the advice and massages work out for you.

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to Dexy5

My knowledge of Crawley can currently be written on a postage stamp. I'm sure it will improve over the coming weeks and months :-)

Hi Stephen, I’m glad things seem to be moving in the right direction for you! Keep posting and I’ll keep an eye out for you and I’ll be cheering you on 👏👏👏🏃‍♂️

Good luck with everything. 🤞🤞

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to David_G

Bloody knee sore again this morning after yesterday's jogette. One step forward, two steps back seems to be the emerging pattern atm :-(

LoungeLizaard
LoungeLizaardGraduate10

Hey Stephen, I was wondering why I hadn't seen any posts from you. Have just noticed that for some reason (undiscovered!) I was no longer following you on HU!!!! (Imagine my shame!).

Anyway, embarrassment at my tardiness aside, I have now rectified that little problem, and have seen this post!

You seem to be on the road back, haven't read all the re?plies below (as I need to do some work today!) - Was wondering how you got on, on Friday?

Sending virtual EJB's to aid recovery!

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to LoungeLizaard

Not really posting much atm, but am reading about various chums' exploits with interest and some jealousy.

Assorted hip and knee problems continue; latest estimate was 4-6 more weeks before I'm back. So pretty much 2 months in total; probably means starting pretty much from scratch. Not sure if i can deal with that with all the other assorted stuff that's going on in my life atm.

So not in a terribly happy place atm really.

Glad you're thriving tho. Keep it up tiger!!

LoungeLizaard
LoungeLizaardGraduate10 in reply to sallenson

You won’t need to go all the way back to zero...... don’t give up! You’ll be surprised how much you’ve retained!

Hoping for a speedy recovery 🏃‍♂️

So sorry to hear your on the ic, I havent been on for a while so missed it. Hope the Physio has done its job and your back on top form soon. {hugs}

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to SandieF

Probably another 4-6 weeks according to the physio last week. So that's 2 months on the IC and probably looking at starting the C25K journey from scratch. Which is a bit of a miserable thought tbh. Hey ho....

Hope all's good with u tho hon xx

SandieF
SandieF in reply to sallenson

Oh no, how frustrating for you! Although I’m sure if you do start c25k again you will whiz through super fast 👍 Get better soon hun x

sallenson
sallensonGraduate10 in reply to SandieF

Bloody miserable eh? xx

SandieF
SandieF in reply to sallenson

I can’t imagine you miserable! You’ve done it before, you can do it again. Maybe start half way through if you feel up to it. You’ll still be going further & faster than me haha. Chin up bud

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