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An update, two and a half years on.

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As some of you know, back in February 2012, I had 3 Pulmonx valves fitted to the upper lobe of my right lung, as a means to achieve a reduction in lung volume. The op was an enormous success, giving me a huge increase in my capacity to live a life. Basically my FEV1 increased from 16% to 32%. I've written about it, and you can find that in my early posts on HU.

I thought it was time for an update, so here we go.........

The new life takes some getting used to. I found that the best way is to forget about fast breathing, as it only causes some air trapping, that then needs some controlled breathing to get rid of. It's only useful when doing a function test, and then only for checking the elasticity of the lungs. For me, it's long slow deep breaths, but concentrating more on getting a good , steady out-breath, and every so often at the end of the blow, blow out a tiny bit more. Low air pressure, associated with bad weather systems affects me, increasing the need to blow out using 'pursed lips', to increase the pressure in my lungs. Breathing in looks after itself, just try to do it through your nose.

For those thinking about going forward for this, or any other procedure, this is not a cure. It is an intervention intended to give an increase in capacity by shutting down a bad part to allow the better parts more room to operate. Remember that the damage to your lungs will continue, due to inflammation and infection. So avoid doctors' surgeries and children!!!! (As if you can, ha ha).

The aftermath of the valve op, and indeed, the use of coils is largely uncharted territory. There aren't very many of us yet, and the aftercare is largely guesswork. GP's as yet have nothing to guide them, so I see my docs treating me as a patient with fully functioning (or nearly so) lungs. So a sputum test result which shows a 'normal' loading of bacteria or fungus spores is put down as of no consequence, whereas, for me with about 25% of my lungs working, it actually translates to 4 or 5 times a serious than for a 'normal' patient. That, I call significant, to me.

Keeping as fit as you can is important, as is pacing yourself. I am finding that as this progresses, more changes are happening. Some of the drugs I was taking before the op, I have dropped off, as the symptom they were treating has changed. I find that taking a NSAID morning and night helps to reduce lung inflammation with little or no side effects, just as well as steroids did with side effects (cataracts, aggression, and appetite). In fact, I would recommend that everyone with advanced COPD get a drug review every two years or so. Symptoms change over time, and so does the need for specific drugs.

Now, how am I? Im feeling pretty good. But (always a 'but' isn't there?) The damage continues. I did another seminar at Cardiff in May, and as part of the day's proceedings, a CT scan I had the week before was put up before the delegates. Wow. What a revelation. This was discussed by a couple of very eminent Professors of Thoracic Surgery, (one from France, Prof Pison from Grenoble Uni Hosp), my consultant, and about ten other surgeons in the audience of approx 60 medic professionals. Most noticeable was the difference between the depth of the lungs, because of the valves. But also the degree to which the damage had continued. I now have big cavities in both lungs (a bit bigger than golf balls), so the discussion centered on where to go from here. The final consensus was actually to do nothing, having considered valves, coils, reduction surgery, Bullectomy, and finally transplant. So here I am, not feeling bad at all, but aware that my condition can best be described as 'Brittle'. I reckon I am probably two years past my 'Throw it in the bin' date. So me and the family are definitely winning.

Would I go through the op again? Oh yes. Absolutely!!!!

Would I recommend it? Yes, provided it is suitable for the patient, and that the patient is suitable for the op, Whether it be valves, coils or reduction surgery.

May I wish you all, similar long term success, whether it comes from drugs or surgery, or just plain keeping fit and eating well.

All of you out there, breathe easy.

Johnwr.

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For those who are not familiar with the op, or those who need a simple explanation of how emphysema progresses, then here is a short video:

youtube.com/watch?v=7C6CGqX...

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jenss in reply to johnwr

Thanks John for the update, great sharing and great to hear you are doing so well. Although I do not have emphysema and do not need valves I found the video very informative. Best wishesxxx

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Suzy6 in reply to johnwr

Thank you for the update. Glad you are doing well.

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undine in reply to johnwr

very interesting thank you xx

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pollie00 in reply to johnwr

Thank you for this info John......I must learn something new every day and U made my day....Keep us posted

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jackdup

Thanks for the informative post on how the valves have helped you and it is encouraging to know there is alternate treatments that will help at least in certain cases.

Good luck and I hope any further progression is slow.

Great to hear from you John,I remember when you were having it done.So glad to hear how well you've done,congrats!

Good little video,should help a few folks,do keep in touch with us,we love a successful story! xx

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Nanny49

Thanks for sharing - good to hear the occasional success story! Waiting for an appt with cons. and hoping something like this might be suggested.

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vittorio

Hi Johnwr - Wonderful news! , only thing that baffles me somewhat is, some time ago I was told I could'nt have an operation for Prostrate problems as I, according to the Surgeon, " WOULD PROBABLY DIE ON THE OPERATING TABLE BECAUSE OF MY COPD DUE TO THE GENERAL ANESTHETIC REQUIRED " Charming ! sounded like a death sentence ! , so HOW on earth did they do your operation ? , because you presumably had a General Anesthetic to carry it out !.....many congrats !!! ...

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johnwr in reply to vittorio

Hi vittorio,

When preparing for this procedure, I was given sedatives and a local anaesthetic. I was also prepared for a GA. Initially, the idea was to do the job fairly quickly just with the local, but the team got so involved looking around inside my lungs that the local anaesthetic started to wear off, and my gag reflex was coming into play, so I was put under GA. I had no bad reaction from that. Any reaction probably varies from person to person, but unless the anaestatist raises any issues, I would say that the potential benefits outweigh the risks. Personal attitude is a big factor in success.

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Toci

It has been a long journey for you, which is a plus! Stay as well as you can, John. xx

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artpats

thank you john.pleased you are well.

What a great post and what an inspiration you are John. May you have many more years of quality life left to you. xx

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hufferpuffer

You don't know how happy it made me to read your post! I'm so delighted you've come through the op with a positive result and outlook! Thank you so much, do you know if there is an age limit on these procedures? Take care, huff xxx

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johnwr in reply to hufferpuffer

Hi hufferpuffer,

No age limit, the decision is all dependent on your condition and the likelihood of a successful outcome.

Johnwr

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Tamara70

Delighted for you Johnwr! So pleased to hear of your improvement. Stay well and make each day count.

Best wishes

Tamara

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longlungs

What a great post Johnwr so very pleased you have benefitted from this new intervention,long may that continue.Keepwell be happy :) Janexx

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Bryju124

Oh John keep going you sound incredibly calm about it all and the more time with your family and the ability to keep going Is great good on you :)

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out-for-lunch

Hi johnwr .... I too had the valves fitted by Margaret in 2011. I was one of the ones it failed to improve. On review a year or so later, Brompton concluded my lungs weren't really suitable for LRV's, so here I am awaiting NICE to approve the coils.

Meanwhile, I totally agree with all you say. Yes, it is a condition you learn to live with. You learn best breath techniques, you learn to pace yourself, you learn to understand & to accept your limitations. I'm Alpha-1 ZZ with FEV of 27.7 .... a FEV reading I've thankfully managed to maintain for the past couple of years, despite Alpha's relentless uncontrollable onslaught .... but I'm happy, I'm coping well, I don't have down-days but instead live & appreciate every single day to the full.

Exercise & attitude are both absolutely critical ..... & the gift of support that is the Aneurin Bevan Health Board.

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out-for-lunch in reply to out-for-lunch

Going mad ..... replying to my own post.

johnwr .... I hadn't picked up on your comment about NSAID drugs. I tried that route a while ago & ended up in two's & blues to Nevill Hall with a scary bronchospasm. It's apparently quite a common reaction, so my suggestion is tread carefully before jumping feet first, fully understand possible implications & most importantly, have people around you keeping an eye for the first few days, you never know.

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johnwr in reply to out-for-lunch

Yes. Definitely something to be considered, and only done on prescription from your GP. The effects of aggressive drugs and interactions with other drugs need to be thoughtabout carefully. Perhaps I should have mentioned it in the main article, but I will hide behind the fact that I was reporting on my own experiences.

As regards yourself, I'm sorry that valves did not give you a good result, let's hope that you find a viable solution.

breathe easy, out-for-lunch

Johnwr

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Zaman

Hi johnwr

Can I get the name of your surgery doctor and his email address ?

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johnwr in reply to Zaman

Hello Zaman,

It's not good policy to give out the names or contact details casually via the internet.

The route to get to a surgeon that performs these procedures is by way of referral from your GP and local respiratory or thoracic consultant. Many things need to be considered before approaching an operating surgeon. See your GP and discuss your position with them first.

breathe easy

Johnwr

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amberbond

Thanks for the update and I found the video very informative as I am in the first stages of having different test scans etc with the view to a transplant, maybe this would be an alternative? To see consultant in a couple of months, so will keep all informed. Good luck and keep wellxxx

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Mikefever

Very very intresting, thank you :-)

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ineedair

This has given me some hope ..at only 43 years old im so scared for my future as i have been told my next option would be transplant (don't hold much hope of that though) i now understand the lung reduction a bit better. Thankyou very much

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