I'm sure your concern is real but please stop commenting with you need God or Jesus stuff religion may work for you but not others don't push your stuff without having a dislog
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Just because I need a God in my life doesn’t mean anybody else does. But mentioning my truth shouldn’t offend anyone either. Everyone has a right to his or her beliefs. Sure, if I’m trying to force my belief on anyone, I’ve overstepped a line. But my belief is as valid as anyone else’s.
I agree it's valid but when someone comments you need to look to God on someone's post without knowing who they are or their background is a bit preachy
I'm a Humanist, nicely said LilyAnnepuppy, may your God go with you👍
As well as you know what people are dealing with o. Some sence but God is not a cure all if God existed and he truly has helped you with your illness then why be here your cured right?
This is Shnookie. Yes your belief is important. Yet discretion needs to take place on n HU. I’m Jewish and have knowledge of the Old Testament and my belief in one God. But when I respond to people I don’t mention these beliefs. I have had in private preach to me and try to convert me to
Christianity. It was an extremely uncomfortable 😣 situation. I simply told them I’m comfortable with my belief system and please stop trying to convert me
I totally agree, Schnookie.
In the HU rules, it does ask that people don't put up preaching posts, Also political ones.
However, I don't think, if a person shows interest , that you shouldn't take it to PM rather than the general boards.
Cheers, Midori
I agree. In PM, there is a much greater freedom to express all kinds of ideas. This isn’t the first time that this has happened here. tolerance is needed here. Each of us, deal with our mental health issues in different ways.
I am Jewish, also. I don’t like when people say they will pray for me. That means they will do nothing. That is my interpretation. Actions speak louder.
When I was very sick with crohn's and people said they would pray for me I took in the positive energy because it was all I could do besides the medication I was on. I think people mean well and do not know the right thing to say sometimes.. When all we want just to be listened to.
Definitely.. I had a co worker who actually said that I should accept Jesus in my life to help me.. That was different than just saying what helped him.
This is definitely crossing the line. That is what I meant.
Exactly 😁.. I think some people mean well but until someone says that it affects them in such a way.. The person won't know. It's important to have open dialogue
I would be inclined to agree with you Skjones, too much of that can be annoying and even misleading
I'm not religious now, but I grew up catholic; and in my upbringing I learned that you should be Christian through your actions towards others, and not by preaching to others.
If someone has to use high pressure to sell you something, then their product isn't good enough to sell itself through reputation and appeal.
Amen sister
I just saw the original post.. Its one thing to say what helped you.. It's another to tell someone the only way to solve is the same way.. If the person is very religious.. Ok... But it's a fine line.
Hi puppyplaytime,
Yes that's exactly what it is like; The irritating Double Glazing salesman who won't give up even when you have said No in as many ways as you can, and he won't leave the house! High pressure sales, indeed!
Cheers, Midori
That's rather rude am I not allowed to voice my griefs and issues yes mention in in your experience but don't say look to God on someone else's post I'm not going to go to admin and rat someone out everyone here needs each other whybwould ibtryband get them kicked out
Just had a look at your profile and I see you have OCD and I can't help but say that whenever I used to get a bit like that I found the best thing was to hand it over to God bc part of OCD is a control or lack of it or consequences and fear of them you can go round in circles with it but handing it all over to God is such a relief it takes it off your shoulders and what seems like a massive burden to you is of course no problem at all to God So you could be shunning the best treatment ever for OCD
As much as I get that I have tried the God rout with a humble heart and open mind and faith when I was catholic but nothing I didnt feel relived I am glad that works for you but I have my own view one being there is no proof of God I'm not saying there is one I'm not saying there isn't one but there is no proof that convinces me other wise I am glad that your faith has helped you but I have tried many branches of Christianity as well as Judaism Hindu, and even looked into Islam and it all still boils down to proof. I'm not against religion but what I. Against is people commenting right off the bat that they need to find God that's not ok
Seems starting a phrase off with “You need to…” is the wrong way to encourage someone. I get riled up when I hear, “You should…” it’s the image of a parent pointing a finger down at a child and just feels condescending, so I get what your saying. Communication is such a practiced art to get it right.As far as proof of God, that’s an interesting conversation but not one I would venture into. Evidence for the resurrection of Christ, though, much more worthwhile an investigation that will open a treasure trove of discoveries,
I prayed for over a decade, and God didn't help me. Medication and the proper therapy did. I can appreciate people saying "I'll pray for you" if they're being earnest and want to do something to help but don't know what. But this "you need God to" BS turns me off as much as it does you.
That’s preaching. It’s ok if you first find out whether someone is a Christian. If you don’t know that they are, better to say nothing at all, or something not related to your religion.
Come to Norn Irelan [Northern Ireland] during the "Troubles" it was as you say "better to say nothing at all, or something not related to your religion" even if you were a Christian! 🥴🙄
Suspect I'm an American rather than being born in Ireland for very much the same reason.
Im not preaching I don't care if this guy is religious or not ?
I am making a point about OCD
Well…it wasn’t really a point about ocd. You said you thought he had ocd and should put it in the hands of god. Why do people do that? You could ask: hey, are you a Christian? And then if he is, you say ok, put it in the hands of god, that’s great for ocd.
If not, well…we just don’t answer, usually, because we don’t want to explain again and again that we don’t believe in the god thing. But it feels very empty to us when you give “advice” based on a cult, beit a large one, that has nothing to do with us. You may as well say “turn around 12 times and chant “rainbows are purple”. You’d feel turned off if you saw advice like that for your issues, too, especially if it was the 300th time someone did that.
I think it’s pretty understandable that we feel this way. It would be cool if Christians said: ok, got it, we’ll keep the Christian advice for those we know have the same belief as us.
No I didn't say I thought he had OCD ? It says on his profile he has OCD ?
I didn't say he should put his OCD in the hands of God either
And I didn't give advice
Wrong on all accounts
I’m not sure how you could forget an entire post you wrote, but this is it:
“Just had a look at your profile and I see you have OCD and I can't help but say that whenever I used to get a bit like that I found the best thing was to hand it over to God bc part of OCD is a control or lack of it or consequences and fear of them you can go round in circles with it but handing it all over to God is such a relief it takes it off your shoulders and what seems like a massive burden to you is of course no problem at all to God So you could be shunning the best treatment ever for OCD” etc
My sincere sympathy Skjones I can see you are obviously being led up a brick wall, with people who are obviously blindly set in their way of thinking and beliefs, hopefully may you find your answer somehow, somewhere!👍
Thank you like I said I'm not agenst people believing in God or having faith I'm just against people saying g right off the bat without knowing backgeounds
You have not been in Northern Ireland then🥴that sort of thing is par for the course😤🙄🙃
Northern Ireland was a war zone...all based on what religion you were.
Which religion you were Protestant Christian or Catholic Christian!🥴🥴
Exactly ... it doesn't matter...
It did matter then, you could lose your life if you were the wrong type of "Christian"!😖
True still today sadly, or a different kind of Muslim...Shia, Sunni, Wahhabi and Sufi.
Yes I know getting it stuffed down your throat, not really aware of what you believe in, not really caring, a sort of haughty air telling you what THEY believe is right [always right🥴] Good luck! It took forty years to evolve my own way of belief, I am inwardly happy now! May you find what you are truly looking for👍
Maybe something GOOD at last that came directly out of the "Troubles" in Northern Ireland, at the age of 26 declaring that I was an agnostic, with absolutely no one to help me, evolving my own beliefs, by inner reflection, getting plenty of 'stick' for doing so, from 'acquaintances' and family, but now fully retired forty years later, able to declare myself as a Humanist/Agnostic, and very proud of it! I am mature enough to know what I believe in is NOT everybody's cup of tea, what people believe in, should be left to them ALONE, right across the board, they should know deeply, inwardly if it is right for them, I am NOT going to 'stuff' or crush my beliefs into anybody else but proud and wise enough to be able to do, just that!👍
Sorry came out a bit much there, maybe I should creep back into my shell, where people think I belong?
No, you don’t need to go anywhere, Adlon.
Thanks Isinatra I have put up my colours now! I have to stick with them!👍
I thank you for your words.
I am a muslim and i agree with this 👊 fist bump
When someone asks what has helped me and I mention God (I do not belong to any religion nor push one) I will tell them about my experience. They can take it or leave it. You may want to explore why you find the word God is so offensive to you? Perhaps you have been hurt by religion? I know I have, by many of them. That is why I don't attend church. However that is not God's fault. God is only good, all love and a healer. God doesn't care if you call him/her , Father, Source, Higher Power, Allah, Jehovah or Lord etc. We do have a Creator who loves you and me unconditionally and love heals us. Sending lots of love your way!🥰❤
Why must you assume I've been hurt by religion, I'm not blaming "god" notlr do I find the word God offensive I measly just want people to keep it to yourself when commenting on others posts if someone asks you what helped and that helped you talk about it because it's been brought up
I believe that everyone has the right to believe what they want about God or no God. I don't like when some people are so adamant about their religion, like everyone should believe as they do. Actually, sometimes religion breeds hate. We should respect one another for whatever we believe in or don't believe in. There is no real proof of anyone's religion being right or wrong. Religions started thousands of years ago. We need to think of the here and now, and try to be kind to one another.
I believe in a greater power,call him what you wish,but i dont conform to any particular established regimented church. I do attend a local COE which i'm comfortable with as its not a high church which waves incense around ,or the constant bobbing up and down bit,its more fun than that.
i have explored many religions and all have something to offer,but i cant believe everything spoken is gospel.
However,recently i have been reading about Adam & Eve and the creation of man,and that truth is revealing.We all know they had 3 sons,Cain,Abel and Seth,but we failed to know they had 33 sons and 23 daughters,and Adam lived to be 930 years old and Eve possibly 600 years old and still giving birth at 300. For the human race to multiply incest was prevalent,something we find abhorrent today,and the reason they lived to such a great age is because God placed an ethereal canopy over them which prevented them from disease.
Now...i want to find that canopy
😇😁
I love the creation story in Genesis. Incest wasn’t an issue because the law had not been given until Moses, 100’s of years later. As I understand, before the flood, there was a moisture barrier around the earth that protected life from the sun so people were able to live much longer. Also, human DNA was purer, more intact, whatever you want to call it, so there wasn’t the issue of reproductive problems among siblings and cousins as there is today. It’s been awhile since I’ve heard the science behind the different events of Genesis, but it is fascinating. Didn’t know they had so many other children so thanks for sharing the info.
read the Terms of use at the bottom of the page...
I make no apology for my comments . Interesting isn't it that if I was pushing budism or yoga ,people wouldn't be offended . It's a spiritual battle . You're offended because the truth is not in you. I posted because Jesus has made me well from mental health issues which are valid. P.s I don't get into arguments on social media .waste of time. Go well.
Zyxx in reply to
The truth is not in us but it is in you…that’s haughty. And you’re not arguing. That’s not what I’m seeing.
you specifically attacked Jesus - not the other religions
Because all I see is the Christian response I have yet to see any other religios fodder I don't see people saying turn your self to jahove, alah ect Buddhists don't belive in a God yoga the exercise is fine but yoga is not quite a religion there is no God figure or worship of one
MaggieSylvie in reply to
No, because yoga is not a religion. I was incensed once when a Christian gave me a paperback that told a story of an evil guru and she insisted that, by following teachers of yoga and meditation, I was allowing the devil to enter me!
Then there are the people who assume that everyone around them is a Christian. It must be insulting to a Jew or a Muslim to be preached at by a soppy Christian wearing their religion on their sleeve. On the other hand, if one believes in God, it is the same god that is the "head" of these religions and others. Many people go to church but their religion is something else, and why not, if you want to be inclusive. To my mind, one's beliefs should be private. For some, it seems to be an excuse to brag about their relationship to God! The only reference to God that I feel good about is when someone says "Bless you" because that seems to come from inside that person, not some deity outside.....
I’m religious and even I hate it when people do that. Inclusivity is so important !
It was rude, actually.
The rules of this forum are not rude. Ranting about religion when nobody has offended recently is rude toward people who do believe.
I wasn’t talking about the rules.
My post was talking about the rules and repeating them exactly.
You may want to read your words again and wonder why two people found them rude.
Zyxx, maybe you find anyone who disagrees with you as 'rude'. I just keep stating the rule covering the mention of how religion should be treated here and don't believe I said anything rude either in content or expression.
I guess it’s just jones and me and the people that upvoted us, then.
I think this whole post is a fuss about nothing because to my knowledge nobody has recently recommended religion as a cure or help for anxiety or depression.
Except right on this page, of course…
Not in an open comment but when others comment on people's posts with the first thing being hey you should turn to God or Jesus yes there are rules but again I don't want to report people cause they need this as well but to your comment of its not rude to mention the rule your right but it was how you worded it that came off as rude
I'm not religious, I believe what is right and wrong, that is inside me, that is my own belief, I am also a historian, whom is wise enough to know if I go any deeper I will be opening up more cans of worms, back into my shell🐚
Discretion is the better part of valor.
Pushing anything on anyone is not okay. But sharing one's faith or belief system is perfectly okay.
I'm open to discussion about religion but I don't want it shoved down my throat, same with sexual orientation .
"The best sermons are lived, not preached."
Everyone has their own methods of dealing with life 😁..if I like someones ideas I may incorporate it into my life as well. I feel everyone here truly respects others beliefs and just want to share with others.
It's fine to share but telling people that you know nothing about really that they need to put their live in Jesus or God isn't ok
No one has the right to impose their beliefs on anyone here... open minded or not. Religion, politics, scamming, spamming, is all unacceptable. Quoting bible verses to someone who was abused in the name of religion just causes more anxiety and triggers some of us... me included.
I haven’t seen the guidelines that have exceptions for religious discussion. I just found a year old guideline and there were no exceptions. Could you point me in the right direction?
No I can't find the rule regarding how religion should be treated in posts so you'll either have to take my word that it exists somewhere or better still double check with Admin. This subject has come up again and again here and the rule is you can mention religion as part of your experience but you mustn't try to convince and convert people either specifically concerning mental health or generally as an attempt to recruit others to some particular religion. The latter (who have no interest in anxiety and depression but just use forums purely for recruitment purposes) do appear from time and I or others tell them the rule and they don't return.
Thanks for trying, Jeff. Admin should have the exceptions in print and easily accessible. I asked admin if it was ok to post about Christmas last year and no one got back to me. I didn’t post because I was afraid to. I thought it was nice, though, for the people who did post that no one was reprimanded.
I have thoroughly searched for that mention of what the Admin rules are and it's nowhere to be found. It used to be there. Maybe it's been deleted. Maybe Admin thinks it's covered by another general rule. Strange.
Actually... all you have to do is go down to the bottom of the page and read: Terms, and also Community Guide lines.
here's another part of the sites terms... again... it's link is at the bottom of the page:
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• Advertisements/promotion of regulated products. Any content that could be construed to be the advertising or promotion of (i) unlicensed medicines; (ii) medicines to children under 16; and (iii) advertising of prescription-only medicines to the general public, shall be taken down immediately.
• Hate speech. Any unlawful hate speech, including but to not limited to hate speech based on religion, ethnicity, nationality, race, colour, descent, gender, sexual orientation or other identity factor.
Yes fauxartist I agree with all those specially the bit about hate speech in relation to religion. But it's not the rule I was looking for which said its fine to mention religion as part of your personal experience but not to try and sell any particular religion to others. That I couldn't find.
And again I'm fine with people sharing there experiences but to follow up with you need to turn to God is what my post is about
No... your wrong Jeff... I have read the Terms of use and Community guide lines and no where does it mention promoting your beliefs in your God is okay. Many find it offensive to be preached to or prayed for... Heres a cut and paste of what the actual terms of use here says:
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Promoting discrimination based on religion seems to be the line not to be crossed. According to these guidelines.
You've misread my posts. I never said that according to the rules promoting your religion is o.k. Quite the contrary. But it is o.k. for people to mention religion was something that helped them.
I feel you ! Saying you need god, or imposing that or putting things in that perspective is actually very harmfull and also not a logic approach. To treat mental health disorders, you need to have a logical approach and give freedom to the individual, not saying you need god xD because god is a belief, not a truth, and reality has never prove it's existence, so we need to deal with people having the freedom to not attach their problems to some lack of faith or lack of spiritual encounter, because it's nothing like that, and it takes away the power of the individual, it's invasive. I feel you and sorry people steped over you like that, you have the right to feel anger towards that. It's not ok, you should not feel inferior in your quests, and like this people know more about your situation just because they use that card of god.
i'm a firm beliver that religion actually most of the times ruins your improvment and freedom and it's actually in the root of most supersticions and innacurate approaches to internal events, although people use it and impose that onto others, and that part is definitly not ok. People can have a religion but not impose.
There is a distinct difference between religion and spirituality. Religion has fallen into disrepute recently and it's not hard to see why: it has been used throughout history to control the general population and used as a cover for traumatic sexual abuse. Much of the Bible has been rewritten, deleted and added to to suit personal agendas.
As Jesus told someone who had a near death experience a few years ago: "You have your Bible but it is not completely correct. And it is not complete. But it is what you have and you must make what you will of it."
How do you know what Jesus actually said unless you were there to hear it....just a question. The bible is mostly metaphors and stories of stories told over and over for over 2000 years... do you think anyone with their own agenda might have put their own spin on things over the years... yeah...take it with a grain of salt.
That's exactly what I have been saying here: the Bible has been edited, added to and subtracted from by people who have inserted their own agendas, usually power elites who use the 'revised' Bible to control the masses.As for the NDE guy who claims Jesus told him how unreliable the Bible was, obviously I wasn't there so I have to make a value judgement whether I believe it and I do. It was one of several thousand NDE experiences recorded on an NDE website.
Not a promotion of religion but I know being Jewish, in Judaism there are many interpretations of biblical text. In Modern times, the matriarchs have been added to prayers where as in the traditional scripture, it was only the patriarchs. People here are not rewriting but rather interpreting how they want to implement the Jewish Scriptures. I am offended when you say deleted or rewritten. I do not impose my religious beliefs in my posting because I believe that every person has their own beliefs.
How could humans throughout history resist the temptation to tinker with the text of the holy book to favour their own agendas? There is even a section in the Roman Catholic Bible missing in the Protestant Bible. Sorry if you're offended but that's the truth of it. Your 'reinterpreting' is a wonderful euphemism for the work of spin doctors over the past 2000 years.
With all due respect, U do not know anything about Judaism. There R many branches of the religion and many different perspectives as to how to interpret the ancient texts and make them coincide with today's world. Yes there R spin doctors, but rather the point in Judaism is an exchange of ideas and opinions and works of modern and ancient scholars. Please do some research.
I grew up in a fundamentalist christian household that contributed to my developing social anxiety and c-ptsd. As a result any discussion about religion, especially christianity is a trigger for me and i'm sure it is for a number of other people as well. I think the worst part of religion is those who feel compelled to proselytize about theirs and use it as a weapon to judge and condemn others. I think it is one thing to mention what has worked for you including religion or spirituality but it is not ok to state, suggest or infer to someone else that they should believe or embrace the same religious or spiritual beliefs as you.
I have read that more people have died throughout history because of religious conflict than all of the wars throughout history and whether it is true or not i'm sure it has been a major contributor and still is unfortunately.
Personally, i'm a spiritualist and believe that all of the great teachers including Buddha, Ghandi and Jesus were all really teaching the same thing which is unconditional love for ourselves and others and the interconnectedness of all beings and life on this planet. Unfortunately, it's been the institutionalization of those spiritual teachings by religion that has distorted, dehumanized and politicized a lot of their true meaning.
You do you❤️
Well said!!
I am a Christian and I believe in GOD. However there are two things I will never push on others not willing to receive
First is my religion, the Second is drugs.
No matter what I respect and accept others for as they are when I meet them. No judgement. I wish everyone felt the way I do towards others. Peace & Love to all.
Oh yes! I don’t care what you were raised with or what you believe or who you pray to or what you sacrifice in their name. Religion is like a penis, just because you have one doesn’t mean you get to whip it out and try to shove it down somebody’s throat. Far too many people have been damaged in the name of Religion.
So In the same vein as how old a woman is or how much a woman weighs ….I’m just not gonna talk about it in public. Nothing good can come from that conversation.
Comparing religion to a penis shows disrespect to other members of this forum who hold religious belief, it is upsetting and therefore against the rules of this forum.
in reply to Jeff1943
No dude…How presumptuous you are…..Why is penis offensive and disrespectful?! Religious folks are obsessed with penis. For instance, in Golestan province of Iran, they found a burial ground of almost 600 headstones in shape of erect penises and female breasts. It is worshipped around the world: scoopwhoop.com/Places-Where...
As a matter of fact, Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion published a study how Evangelical Christians are more obsessed about their penis than other men: lgbtqnation.com/2021/04/eva...
However, penis is not the focal point of the discussion.
Jeff1943 in reply to
Of course comparing religion to a penis is upsetting for many people of faith, I find it triggers upset and my anxiety so I ask you not to make the comparison again.
in reply to Jeff1943
Jeff1943, you have a right to your own opinion on the matter, so does Daesin . No idea is above critique no matter how many subscribe to it. You are trying to gag anyone who holds a negative view of religion and glorify positive ones. I do not compare religion to penis in my reply but educate you on many people of faith WORLDWIDE worship penis either directly or symbolically. Done ✅
Jeff1943 in reply to
As explained, I have no time for religions, do try to keep up. I believe in God but do not attempt to promote that belief on this forum. There are rules here designed to gag people who are offensive to others and IMO you fall into that category.
in reply to Jeff1943
Jeff1943, I know forum rules and i have tolerated your incompetency and rudeness to my reply. Don't join in a post about religion if you claim you have no time for it. The fact is you have been continuously stepping on many people comments and they voiced their opinions that they’re not so fond of engaging in communication with you. Many members find you offensive in this community so reflect on that.✌️
Jeff1943 in reply to
You cannot understand that people have a right to disagree with you and say so here. As for people finding me offensive in this community and I should reflect on that then I will.
I note that I have 368 followers. Whilst you have 2.
Without any sense of incongruity I hope that eventually you find lasting recovery to your anguish and pain.
in reply to Jeff1943
Yes I reserve my right to tell you that you’re not qualified to pass judgement while being a bully going around policing others.
I'm sure moderators of this forum are familiar with reports how offensive jeff1943 to members in this community. It’s absolutely malodorous and immature to reference the number of Claire weeks cult members under your account since 2016.
Indeed I joined this forum this month to process my “anguish and pain” against evil people like you who try to use my trauma against me.
Jeff1943 in reply to
My good wishes for your recovery for what you describe as your "anguish and pain" were genuine enough. Not to use your trauma against you as you suggest.
Your latest reply is devoid of kindness and consideration that should be extended to all in a spirit of unconditional love. That shortcoming will change either during this lifetime or one subsequent.
Giving me the emojee of two fingers is not in keeping with the rule of consideration to others required on this forum.
I say again with sincerity that I hope you overcome those things that distress you. When that day comes may God smile on your happiness*.
*a figure of speech
in reply to Jeff1943
That’s the problem when people observe your deceptive behavior. They don’t see any sincerity in your “well-wishes”. I do not extend any kindness or hospitality to condescending bullies like you. As other poster Dolphin14, Peace out! ✌️✌️✌️
Skjones and some others here clearly haven't heard about the responsibility of civilised people to embrace religious tolerance. A few centuries ago people were burning Christians at the stake. During the last century the Soviets were persecuting Christians through the League of the Militant Godless.
Then came religious toleration in the civilised world. But people like Skjones still want to make a big fuss whenever someone mentions that their Christian beliefs helped them through a tough period of mental health. You can feel the anger and venom when he or she writes on the subject.
This is the religion of the Founding Fathers of America you are trying to restrict and suppress. The official religion of the United Kingdom (Church of England) that you want to censor. The belief that kept millions of fighting men and women going in World War Two that you want to strictly control.
I suggest you stop harassing Christians on this forum and start to practice religious tolerance: the hallmark of civilised folk everywhere.
I notice that the restriction on recommending religion as an aid to overcoming anxiety and depression is no longer part of the rules of this forum. No doubt because it is now recognised that such a restriction on religious expression breaks our hard won laws on religious tolerance.
Skjones, my belief in God has been a great help in my overcoming anxiety disorder. I think you should try it SAP.
Again not attacking religion Jeff measly sick of people responding with you need Jesus or what ever God and when iT comes to those posts those responses just happen to be all from Christians and let's not forget all the slaghter the Christians have done as well as other religions Christianity ain't pretty when know your history. Christians act like they were the only ones to get persecuted you wanna talk world war 2 ok let's do that good majority of naziis were chistian and look what they did to the jews not very Christian actions.
But the nazis are not alone either look at England and their contouring other countries that were not Christian not mention not white. All religion has its darkness but ibdont care if you belive in God and it helped that's great I'm glad it did how ever the first thing out of your mouth when responding to someone's pain or experience is ruin your life to God Jesus buddah, vishnu, Ala, ect .
You fail to mention the 20-million people murdered by the Soviets who were atheists. I find this significant. It's only Christians who murder innocent people according to you.Your antagonism towards Christians is stupendous.
In every religious or political or non religious group throughout history there have been evil people as well as good people. You concentrate only on the bad people in Christianity. What about all the evil atheists in the world like Stalin and Hitler* and Mao Tse Tung who murdered untold millions. All atheists. All mass murderers. None mentioned by you, showing your prejudice against Christians only.
I use the words religion and Christianity to mean people who believe in God, I have no time for organised religion myself. Almost everything human beings set their hands to ends in disaster so it seems.
We are all on a journey to evolve to a higher form. Our essential self has to go through many lives to achieve the ultimate higher form. What happens then nobody alive knows. Some people who go through near death experiences know what happens next but by definition they are told 'It's not your time. You have to go back.' Then the knowledge of what happens when you reach your higher form is erased.
The answer to your accusation against some Christians is: don't blame God for the crimes of mortals because He gave us all free will or the evolution thing wouldn't work.
*don't tell me Hitler was a Christian. He had the good sense not to persecute Christians but instead tried to harness them to his evil cause. I knew people who were personal friends of Hitler. Hitler a Christian, don't make me laugh.
I'm afraid Vladimir Putin regards himself as a Russian Orthodox Christian!
It was Christian hatred for Jews that allowed Hitler to carry out his diabolical plans...Also Hitler was indoctrinated by his parents as a catholic, so that may explain some of his psychotic behavior.
You talk about Christians as if they were all antisemites. You must learn to discriminate between the good and the bad in every group.
That's like saying it is Judaic hatred of Palestinians that allows the Israeli government to carry out its diabolical plans. You must understand that there are good and bad in all races and nations and you can't condemn the good along with the bad.
Nobody who has studied Hitler has noted any signs of the Catholic indoctrination by his parents, there is no evidence for it and you cannot blame Hitler's misdeeds on the Catholic Church any more than you can blame Stalin's murder of 20-million Russians on his atheism. They were both already seriously flawed characters without needing any input from their parents.
You are putting words in my mouth now. Never said all Christians were antisemitic. Strawman argument
That's the way your words came across to me but I accept your assurance that's not what you meant.
Hitlers mom was a devout catholic. I dont know any catholic mothers who didnt indoctrinate their children. Maybe you can enlighten me
Hitler was too strong willed to be influenced by his mother.
Most not all... Christians tolerate Jews now. Hitler also tolerated the Jews existence in society until the extermination.
A strange argument, to condemn Christians now for tolerating Jews. That surely is the goal, religious toleration. It's a virtue not a fault.
Sorry Experiment, The one comment about 'most Christians tolerate Jews now' was not meant for your comment, `.
Hitlers grandmother on his hated father's side was Jewish. He hated him so much that he had most of his family history removed from every record his minions could find. He also had a physical deformity, and the first to be gassed were those with handicaps and mental illness... that description was painted with a very broad brush.
How about the Jews in the Holocaust or the Muslims murdered for being Muslim.
And Ukranians murdered for not being Russians. Yes, the world has a long way to go before it is truly civilised.
You are spreading religious propaganda by saying the founding fathers of America were Christians. Quote from Thomas Paine a founding father: He called the bible the “pretended word of God”. And we know he’s read it because he tears it a new one book by book in his writing The Age of Reason.“Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God,” he writes.
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Thomas Paine is not considered to be one of the seven Founding Fathers of America. He didn't approve of organised religions and neither do I. The Bible has been edited, added to and altered by successive prelates to conform with their personal agendas and used to control the masses.A few years ago Jesus Christ told someone undergoing a near death experience: "You have your Bible but it is not completely correct. And it is not complete. But it is what you have and you must make what you will of it."
As for me I believe in the existence of God but not the imperfect creeds and crimes of organised religion - but for convenience I use the word religion to mean belief in the light of the universe.
In other words update it, via Wikipedia perhaps?
It would be an impossible task now to restore the Bible to its original form 2000 years ago before the successive spin doctors got their hands on it.
Can you put a specific date when this bible was constructed, and who these authors are, and where their original material was derived from?
No idea whatsoever, you had better ask someone who is religious, but I believe that the original Bible has been respun in places by people to suit their own agendas and to control others. I doubt whether it could now be restructured in original form.Recently, somebody who had a Near Death Experience was told by Jesus: "You have your Bible, but it is not completely correct, and it is not complete. But it is what you have and you must make of it what you will."
This thread has wandered a long way from the purpose of this forum. I got involved to put on record what I believe is the rules of this forum. Nobody should use this forum to sell religion. But people can mention religion as part of their experience relating to anxiety disorder. Either way everyone should respect others and not use unkind language which could cause upset.
Well Thomas Paine aside you can still see now that the 7 founding fathers were not just Christians, and they were certainly not pushing the Christian agenda
Whether they pushed their Christian beliefs I have no way of knowing, I suppose it depends on what you mean by pushing. But their annihilation of the Native Amercans and forcing them into concentration camps known as reservations shows clearly that none of them understood Christian ethics.
Yes the majority Christian society favored to exterminate the Native Americans, kidnap Africans to do all their dirty work and force them to practice Christianity...Genocides and threats are the only reason Christianity is relevant today...btw The killing of the Natives and enslaving of Africans began with your divine Christian king.
Shame on you, Experiment626, Not all Christians were involved in those unacceptable acts, only some. You are guilty of thinking in terms of stereotype images: because some Christians did bad things then all Christians are guilty.
You really must see beyond religious and racial stereotypes or it will lead you into some dark places ie some Jews are bad landlords or employers therefore all Jews are bad. Try to embrace the following truism: there are good and bad in all races and religions and you shouldn't condemn the innocent along with the guilty. You are doing exactly what Hitler did, you really must acknowledge that all members of a religion are not the same, they are individuals not stereotypes.
Christians did not kidnap and enslave Africans, that was done by neighbouring African tribes who then sold their kidnapped neighbours to slave traders.
Another strawman argument. The same one😂. I didnt say all Christians are bad. Said nothing about race. Nice try Jeffrey...And does it make it any better that Christians used other Africans to kidnap each other and then use them for slavery? Mediocre nonsense 🥴💊🍷
Your lack of religious toleration is nauseating and your wholesale condemnation of people just because they believe in God is shameful. You are not an opponent deserving of respect.
Another strawman 🥴💊🍷
That's the level of your intolerance; everybody who disagrees with you must be a drunk or on drugs.
How about the Aboriginal children, Native American children, and other indigenous people around the world who were taken from their families forcibly to live in boarding schools for children who would be subjected to some of the most intense Christian assimilation in history. Boarding Schools left a dark legacy over many tribes in North America. Indian children faced assimilation, abuse, discrimination and ethnocide on a scale never seen. Regardless of the efforts to “civilize” Indian children, the spirit of the tribes would not be broken.
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Yes, fauxartist, I have already mentioned here the crime whereby Native Americans were decimated and the survivors sent to live in concentration camps known as reservations. I don't know anything about Aboriginal people but am prepared to believe the same happened to them.
Jeff
I respect everyone's opinions on the thread. I'm not trying to get involved in any way.
But, my tolerance level of the phrase " shame on you" is zero.
It's a condescending phrase that is not acceptable in psychology today.
Many people have been shamed by others and it leaves deep scars.
As a member of the community can I kindly ask that you try not to use that very toxic terminology
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Shame on you for asking. Perhaps we should submit all our posts to you for word approval. It's called free speech, 60-million died to preserve it from petty censorship.
I understand Jeff. Claire weeks did not believe in emotional and verbal abuse as traumatic, you have said that.
Freedom of speech is an incredible freedom we have been given. To counter that though it is a derogatory statement and quite triggering to someone that suffered emotional and verbal abuse.
You don't shame a person. You speak to the action so you don't cause damage.
I executed my freedom of speech and spoke to you in a kind manner.
No need to submit anything to me hahaha. I carry no weight other than what's on my body 🐬
I have grown beyond your toxic words.
Thank you for voicing your opinion back to me
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results... so to is commenting to this guy... he's way out of line. Don't put yourself in harms way for this nonsense.
The phrase 'Shame on you' is perfectly acceptable as a mild rebuke to someone blaming all Christians for the actions of some. It is not obscene. It is not racist. So perfectly acceptable.
You say that phrase leaves deep scars, is the language of 'toxic' people and should never be used. Did you really say that? I mean did you actually say that? Unbelievable.
People with anxiety and depression are among the strongest and most courageous members of our society. Every morning they have to get up and face their day knowing the burden they must carry. And they do it because they are the bravest of the brave and the toughest of the tough.
They are not going to get an attack of the vapours because they see the words 'Shame on you.'
Claire Weekes didn't actually say that verbal and emotional abuse was not traumatic. But that's the impression I've gained from her writings. The healthy mind soon throws off such things and moves on. I'm sure she would exclude from this extreme abuse or horrific experiences that do scar the mind. A small percentage.
Weekes listed religion as a powerful support for those people who have faith. But left it at that, not unsurprising since she herself was an atheist though never mentioned it.
We build our strength over time. There is no doubt in my mind we are very strong people. I also have PTSD.... different from anxiety and depression diagnosis. It's an additional diagnosis.
I've taught my 11 year old granddaughter to never allow anyone to shame her. She has a greater understanding of the words than you do as a grown adult.
My mother used the words constantly. She was a narcissist and a very toxic woman. You can google shaming. There is plenty of information out there.
Yes I said the words. You don't need to belittle my feelings. You used the words quite a while ago in a response to someone else and I also spoke to the words. Then you came back at me with a line in French. Something that was not the nicest response.
I have the right to speak as you do also. I try to speak in a kinder manner and acknowledge if I've upset someone. We are very different people, nothing wrong with that.
Lesson learned
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Your ignorance towards others here is against site policy... I hope everyone who reads your comments reports it. Shame on you....
You've changed your tune, you were hitting the Like button on all my posts and now suddenly this. I don't consider myself ignorant because I used the phrase 'shame on you' towards someone making a personal attack on me. You appear to want to gag my mouth by claiming what I say is against site policy and hoping everyone will report me. Always the action of someone who has no answer to what someone else is saying.
There was no personal attack Jeff. Perhaps a bit of education on what the words mean, but certainly not an attack.
People always show their true colors in the end. Putting the negative words back on me was not a very kind thing to do. But, that's ok Jeff. I understand why you felt the need to do that. Psych 101
Wishing you peace in your life Jeff
Didn't mean to say that your post was a personal attack, I was referring to others. Bet you never had a panic attack when I repeated that phrase. How much wasted energy in this long posting that could be better spent on suggesting solutions to the bewildered.
Jeff
You know nothing about me. Don't make assumptions.
You are now heading into tormenting territory.
You have quite a few of my mother's traits. None of them were kind hearted.
May you find peace Jeff.
You say I'm now tormenting you. How for Christ's sake? I've reread my few recent posts to you and no way do they contain anything that could be described as tormenting you or making assumptions about you.I think it would be better if I didn't exchange posts with you.
" bet you never had a panic attack when I said those words" ...... assumption and tormenting. You wrote the words to be unkind. I agree Jeff.... let's agree to not respond to each other. Your words are toxic to my mental health situation.
How you perceive your responses is about you. How they are perceived by me is about me.
I still wish you peace and good health Jeff.
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Tormenting. Unkind. Toxic. I don't recognise the person you are describing. I joined this forum 6 years ago in the hope that my own recovery and my knowledge of the teachings of the late Doctor Claire Weekes could be of help to others. Not to boost my ego or self importance.
I will have to comfort myself regarding your description of me with the kind messages I have received from many of the 360 people who have become my followers at one time or another.
I wish you well with your own recovery.
You seem to be a dr weeks proponent and with 20 plus years of therapy I've never heard of her and she was a general practioner no a psyc or any related fields of study I'm glad it works for you don't get me wrong but that method seems to be all you mention,
You are right, Mr. Jones, the late Claire Weekes was not a doctor of psychiatry.
But a man who is, David Barlow, Professor Emeritus of Psychology and Psychiatry at Boston University, recently wrote of her: "By thinking outside the box, and exercising extraordinary clinical sensitivity, the brilliant physician Claire Weekes created a treatment protocol to the unending benefit of tens of millions of patients over the years."
Claire died over 30 years ago having just been nominated for a Nobel Prize. A few years ago her biography was published. Its title says it all: "The woman who cracked the anxiety code - Claire Weekes".
The fact that you have never heard of her is not surprising. In her biography it is written: "Claire Weekes...was dismissed as underqualified and over populist by the psychiatric establishment. In a radical move she had gone directly to the people. Her international best seller 'Self help for your nerves'*, first published in 1962 and still in print helped tens of millions of people to overcome...and continues to do so.'
A few years ago I counted up all the recent reader reviews for all her books on both the U.S. and U.K. versions of Amazon. There were 1,600 reviews: 90% rated her Very Good or Excellent. Many reviewers used the phrase 'saved my life'. Mine was one of them.
Weekes wrote that people that had religion found it a source of strength and comfort but she never advocated it. She herself preferred to remain an atheist.
*"Self help for your nerves" is the U.K. published version of her first book. In the U.S. the identical same book is titled "Hope and help for your nerves". Available new or second hand for a few bucks/quid on Amazon or E-bay.
I give it go I'm open to things thanks
What's to lose? Remember, the book was written 60 years ago so many of the social situations are dated but it's the substance of her teachings that are important.
Remember, just reading the book and gaining the knowledge doesn't bring respite or recovery. Only by practicing her stratagems do we achieve that. We spend years getting into this state, allow a few weeks, even months if necessary, to recover.
Maybe let me know what you think eventually, I know you'll speak frankly.
"Face. Accept. Float. Let time pass."
They at have done that but if they were christ like or... Christians they would not of enslaved them or even purchased the slaves and in the Bible it is for slavery colossians 3:22, ephesians 6:5 exodus 21:7 ect just off the top of my head and just to name a few
It was Christian British folk who were the first to ban slavery and even maintained a naval blockade of West Africa to turn back ships containing kidnapped African slaves heading for the United States to meet the insatiable demand for slaves there.
But yet the British Christians also had slaves before that it's not just based in Christianity all cultures did it I'm merely pointing out that your Bible is pro slavry
Every civilisation for the last 3000 years at least tolerated slavery. The past is a foreign country, they did things differently there.
Forms of modern slavery include slavery by "ownership" ("chattel" slavery), government conscription (forced military service or government labor), forced prison labor, forced migrant labor, debt bondage (slavery until debts are paid), sexual slavery, forced marriage/child marriage, child labor, and forced begging.
India, China, North Korea, Nigeria, Iran, Indonesia, Congo, Russia, Philippines and Afghanistan
Crusades anyone?
The Pilgrims who landed on Plymouth Rock called America the New Jerusalem. The first Valedictorian address at Harvard was in Hebrew. Calling America a Christian country is very misleading and an offense to the Indigenous people who were here before the Pilgrims.
I glad it has helped you then I suggest you tell Christians to stop freaking out when someone tells them happy holidays and then get offended and bark back it's merry Christmas it's the same type of thing again Jeff you fail miserably at getting the point of my post if religion works for you great but don't shove your God to me or others without any one bringing it up
I have never used this forum to push the belief that they should try religion for any purposes whatsoever. And I have never shoved my belief in God on you or anybody else. And I never mention the subject unless somebody else does in an intolerant way or is trying to use this forum to promote some church in which case I tell them that's not wanted and not allowed here. You are making it up as you go along based on stereotypical images you hold.
Dude I'm glad you do that and that is what the original post was about I was mearly saying don't say anything about it unless asked
I have yet to see anyone live up to their religious ethics Christian,muslim,hini ect
Diehards tend to pu a h it the most and those gripping so tightly because they are not secure in their own belife
Your comment is incomprehensible but if you're suggesting I am not secure in my own beliefs then you know nothing about me and are not fit to judge, it's just another calumny you've dreamed up for someone who dares to object to your lies and slanders.
This demonstrates perfectly and completely your religious intolerance: condemned by your own words.
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How have I demonstrated religious intolerance please cite itwhere is your proof I have not said anything disparaging however again you only pick what I've posted despite my clarifications and the words of others as an attack on your belive no said anything about your beliefs
I could give a crap about what religion you are or anyone is just keep it to yourself and now we have politicians calling for the US to be a Christian nationalist nation
I do keep it to myself on this forum unless I am triggered by some badly informed post.
My post was not misinformed it clearly states leave people alone don't let it be the first thing out of your mouth
Are people allowed by you for religion to be the second, third or fourth thing out of their mouths?
Dude your taking it how you think it is should I say when addressing someone in crisis hey I'm sorry but you should turn to Satan
That would trigger anxiety in many Christian members of this forum so could be banned.
But it's ok for others to do that with God and Jesus that's the whole point of my post
It's not o.k. for people to do that with God and Jesus, I've told you a dozen times that I don't believe this forum should be used to sell religion and I have never attempted to do that.
I don't get why other people are offended by this you have a right to say this i don't get why people are angry at this … I understand completely so sorry that people are mean and don't want to be civil about what you said
Here’s my two cents. Religion is the cause of mental illness. Certainly not the cure. Sorry, not sorry. Absolute fact. One needs to look no further than the neuroses on display in full view right here on this thread to confirm that abundantly self evident truth. But don’t get me wrong, atheists are just as delusional.
Strugglin, just because you believe something does not make it an 'absolute fact'.
Your complete lack of religious tolerance is only matched by your ignorance of the causes of anxiety and depression. There may be a small % of people traumatised by bad Christians but to say that religion is the cause of all mental illness is religious slander (a serious offence) and shows your ignorance.
Lol Once I posted in another community “grilled cheese of the gods” . It was deleted. I guess I could repost it safely in here.
😂 Yeah. That’s what I said, too. Huh? Good morning, snowdayze. 😊
That is all what is called religion is texts or 'scriptures which men said "we have to believe in something?" so as soon as 'writing' became intelligible they wrote them down, and became mistranslated and misinterpreted over the years, no ACTUAL proof that these 'holy figures' even existed in the first place? No religious cave paintings ever found?
Please folks, this is really getting out of hand. Can we all calm down a little? We see two (maybe three) faiths getting involved here, but, You all work from versions of the same Book, the Bible.
Before we all get too heated, please can we remember this, the Old Testament stories appear in the Three Faiths of the book, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. One of them is the story of Abraham and Isaac. read it.
Cheers. Midori
The quote from one of many of a member's comments that I found outrageously offensive is;... 'Christians tolerate Jews now'.... Wow.... where do I begin with that statement.... First of all... that's great to know because Jesus was a Jew... so it would be an oxymoron to say Christians believe in Jesus but blame the Jews for killing him. Really?... does anyone read his real history? ... He was called Rabbi... it means teacher among other definitions.
Live and let live, agree to disagree... and don't talk about politics or religion... kind of what I have usually done at family dinners, we are Jewish, Catholic, Christian, and non-denominational who all sit at the same Thanksgiving dinner together and enjoy a communal meal. Wars are fought every day over Religion, and there are no winners in war.
I find so many more things to talk about than possible divisive subjects. How is my local food bank doing and what do they need, are warts common on a big toe, are radio signals from outer space natural or artificial and where can I find a yo-yo. That one keeps me awake at night. 😁
Maybe not a "Thanksgiving dinner" but certainly be able to enjoy a communal meal, 'enjoy the craic' as they say in my part of the world. As we see everyday "Wars are fought every day over Religion, and there are no winners in war." Religious differences should be forgotten, especially in a political gain context!
Merci, mon ami. Since we’re on the subject of yo yo’s……I like to watch them go up and down and up and down and up and down and up and down and up and down……lol
The genocide of the Jews, was used by Hitler, almost a personal one, the Nazi ideal, the full horror of the genocide of the Jews, was not really made aware of until the full crescendo of WII, sure the "Christian Countries" would have been moved by what was going on, the full horror was not really made aware of until nearing the end of WII. In effect 'Christianity' had nothing really to do with it?
The winners of wars always writes the history, [the winners are ALWAYS written about in the best possible taste, whether true or false] and suffer the 'losers' to abide by their religions, no matter what?🙄🥴🥴
Would you call a staunch Communist an Atheist?
I was saying the war had already started, sure the genocide was known about, the Nazi ideal, did not include the Jews and what they termed the 'inferior' races, gypsies, the wheels were in motion! Pearl harbour, Dunkirk, the loss of Singapore, had happened. Indeed the treatment of the Jews and the absolute abhorrence by the rest of the world, and some of the people of Germany, was a major cause towards the end of the war for the defeat of Hitler's Nazi Ideal the Thousand year Reich!
Hi I’m new and glad to see this pa post. As a victim of religious practice (my in law and community), I don’t need any trigger being here. Thank you.
Made my day Luna_Child 😉👍
My response has everything to do with religion. It's rare and wonderful, reading someone sharing their beliefs so clearly... without for a moment proselytizing. Again, thank you.
I don't mind people sharing again my issue is when the first thing you post as a response is that's sucks I'm sorry but you should turn your life to God. Isn't it God helps those who help themselves. And it's not just Christianity it's all religion it just happens that that's all I get when it happens is Christian. But if I read your post of an issue your having and without finding out about you or even unsolicited I say I'm sorry that's happening but I turned my life to Satan you should give your life to Satan too. How would you be
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