According to this article (link below) older unvaccinated people have been hit particularly hard by Covid and are greatly at risk. I read elsewhere that the last date for getting the jab is 31st January for all ages. I haven’t been vaccinated since the end of 2021 but I’m thinking it’s time to have the vaccine. However, I had lots of ectopics after the previous Pfizer jab and am worried about it causing AF. I know that there has been a lot of discussion on this topic in the past, but I wondered what the latest position is. Has anyone acquired permanent AF after the Covid jab? Any other experiences? What is the latest scientific finding on this? theguardian.com/world/2024/...
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Yes, I hear the current vaccine is a good one to get. We hear a lot about that vaccine can trigger afib in some cases, but we forget there can be a lot worse things than afib. Personally, I think it's a good trade-off and that's why I've been vaccinated. Thanks for posting.
Jim
I decided no. I know this is a very controversial figure but the person I took note of was Prof Dalgleish simply because what he said made sense to me. It’s a no, nay, never from me.
I’ve now had COVID 4 times and apart from the first time when I was very ill and had already had 4 jabs, symptoms have been very light, I’ve had far worse colds whereas it took me over 3 weeks to recover from the 6th jab which was over 12 months ago. My AF burden went up significantly and I thought I was headed toward persistent, now right back down to 2-3%. My friend who is a consultant rheumatologist warned me at the onset off these vaccines, I will always regret ignoring the advice and being swept along with the fear and rhetoric and my ignorance in the difference of these vaccines to the well tested ones which prevented illnesses such as measles, whooping cough, smallpox etc. I am most certainly NOT an antivaxxer.
Just the conclusion I came to but everyone must make up their own mind, thankfully we still are able to refuse treatment.
It’s probably a reasonable decision as you have not been badly affected by the virus (although there are always new variants around the corner). What did Prof Dalgleish say on this topic?
He was going on observational data whilst working on his own vaccine for cancer - that all his unvaccinated (COVID) patients did well whereas his vaccinated staff caring for his patients did not when they caught COVID. It’s all to with the T cell response and I still don’t know enough about the immune response to be able to explain it clearly - but made perfect sense when he explained it! Basically if you need more than 2 vaccines to give protection the immune system doesn’t respond well when it detects the disease.
I was very ill with COVID in Oct 21 and it took months to recover and it was only after that I developed antibodies.
Thanks!
As always,it depends on which highly educated qualified academic you choose to believe as there is no one 'in the middle' to adjudicate. Prof Dalgleish has been reported to have been trying (unsuccessfully) to promote a vaccine developed by a company he had stock in, this is not a good look.
Hi Omni, do you have any links or evidence apart from reports about Dr Dagleish.
I did a google search as I remembered the prof from the 'Nature' challenge a while ago. That stuff is still there, but I didn't go deeper. My comment above is that he was 'reported to...'. as I haven't seen the primary source(s), however one of the sources is Computer Weekly, who broke the PO scandal we're seeing being played out now .
The last vaccine I had in September, caused myocarditis, so I will definately think twice next year!
Remember though that COVID itself also causes much more myocarditis (More or Less podcast. Can't remember date. Sorry)
Dr john campbell interviews prof Dagleish on youtube.
Totally agree with you. I’m reading Dr Clare Craig’s book Expired and will devour her next one re the vaccine when it’s out.
It’s on my ever growing list, sounds very interesting. Thank goodness there are some doctors willing to speak out. I’m currently reading The Death of Science and interested in RobertKennedy’s new book on Fauci - I believe it’s well referenced but I suspect we are watching a particular YouTube channel.
I would like to know how we can possibly judge whether or not the C jab helps prevent serious disease or death? Based purely on my own experiences though - not for me!
Death of Science is next on my list! If important evidence is withheld we can’t possibly judge. Yes the same YouTube channel. It’s astounding that notice wasn't taken of Dr David Grimes evidence re Vitamin D and how can cholecalciferol be permitted for cattle and not humans. It beggars belief. Stay warm.
I haven't read the book, but was immediately interested to know what the Calciferal tablet I take weekly contains. It is ergocalciferol !
Cholecalciferol is the standard vit D 3 supplement that is available OTC. What do you mean not permitted for humans?
It IS permitted for humans. It is only problematic in very large amounts if the person already has high levels of Vit D in their blood.
Thank you so much for pointing out my mistake. It is Calcifidiol, the activated and rapidly absorbed Vitamin D that has been shown to help those who are critically ill which isn’t licensed for human consumption in the UK. Dr David Grimes, Vitamim D researcher explains it better than I can.
I have no idea why it is not licensed in the UK. It is here in France. I take Calcifédiol drops prescribed by my GP. They work much better than normal vit D supplements. I have followed Dr Grimes' blog but I have been prescribed these drops since 2011 long before I discovered Dr Grimes' blog. They work better because Calcifediol is what exits the liver en route to the kidneys after Cholecalciferol has been hydroxylated by the liver. This process takes 7-10 days and is dependent on a well functioning liver. It is Calcifediol that is measured in the blood tests for vit d. I found it very difficult to get into the normal range here on Cholecalciferol despite taking 3000iu a day , sunbathing and eating oily fish several times a week.
I take Colecalciferol 100 000 UI/2 in a phial once a month. I find your post interesting as studies do show that Calcifédiol is stronger therefore better especially for people over the age of 60. I may ask to change as since last year I cannot go in the sun too much. Next time I have a blood test I will ask to have my Vit D tested.
I am very happy with the drops. They are branded Dédrogyl. Recently they went generic but sometimes the pharmacy gives me the brand , sometimes the generic. I only take 3 drops a day and my last vit D blood test showed a level of 70ng /mL ! I do eat oily fish regularly and I still sunbathe but only for 40-50 minutes a day and late afternoon when it is harder to make vitD . When I am gardening I wear a t-shirt and a big hat so only my lower arms get any sun.
Is it over the counter or do you need a prescription? I'll have a little chat with my pharmacist. However I prefer a phial once a month as having to take 3 drops everyday might be forgotten by me.
You need a prescription I think. I put it in my veggie juice that I have with breakfast.
It’s not available period in UK - OTC in France, Spain and Italy but you cannot even get it on prescription here, that is the madness of our so called healthcare system. Recommendation was to buy when you are on hols.
I know - I live in France 🙂 that's why I was asking Auriculaire. Does seem silly that you can't get it in the UK though.
I am pretty sure it is not OTC here. I have done a quick search and santé.fr the government website says it is only available on prescription as do several online pharmacies.
I have no idea either. I’m on holiday in Lanzarote and it’s available over the counter in Spain. I’m tempted to take some home with me!!
I would if I were you. A small bottle lasts ages.
Do you want to start an export service?!!!
Spain is too far a traipse from where we live! It is not available without a prescription here!
DO!
Off to the pharmacy this morning as I can’t shake off the coughing virus. Now entering my 4th week.
We were rid of it in a fortnight - husband takes the Dédrogyl too. Plus it was the first cold and cough I have had since March 2016. The fever did put me into afib 3 times in 4 days though!
Excellent talk, what a fantastic interview. Very interesting but also VitD recommendation on Dr Mosley on ‘Just one Thing’ = again activation of T cell response after vaccination depleting VitD - this morning saying exactly the same thing and was mentioned on ‘More or Less’.
Don’t want to be controversial but stopped watching the YouTube channel you refer to as not convinced by the content.
No use having regrets. Also consider whether the jabs might have prevented your first Covid infection from being even worse than it was. Consider what that might have been like.
I had Covid in May last year and was Ill for months and a lot of the time felt like I could die at any minute! I couldn’t get my Covid vaccine quick enough, I suppose it depends on your own personal experience of Covid and vaccines.
Neither Covid or any of the vaccines have brought on Afib, but we are all different, I had the Flu and Covid vaccines at the same time with just sore arms as side effects.
I haven't missed a vaccination I have had the lot including every booster ignoring all the negative comments about vaccination .
My older brother (aged 84) has AF too though is one of the luck ones with few symptoms, he caught COVID and also had long COVID and was told without his vaccinations he would have been unlikely to survive .
I had a bad reaction to my second boost but that didn't deter me , it was better than the possible outcome of COVID with my history of AF and asthma.
I've had all the vaccines and only in recent weeks have tentatively not worn a mask in Tesco's. I dread catching COVID and, worse, bringing it home to my husband.
Thank you for the link.
My last vaccination was 18 months ago, I'd had 3 , I'm Asthmatic as well as AF and decided no more for me , in January I started to panic and had a change of heart and managed to get my 4th jab 2 weeks ago, it put me into an AF episode after 4 hours but I was fine and no lasting effects. I was really ill with my first bout of Covid and was in hospital for 9 days . I couldn't face that again hence my decision.
I've had 6.!! I do think scientists were slightly economical with the truth, re how far in the body the MRNA vaccines go.I too have read and listened to Dr Dalgleish and the nurse Dr John Campbell ( university doctor).
I was going to miss the last one then changed my mind and went ahead. I've never had any side effects with any vaccines.
All medical interactions have to be weighed up on a risk benefit basis.
I usually get a few symptoms after a vaccination , it's the immunity effect of the body reacting to the vaccine and building antibodies. I had slightly increased Tachycardia with this year's flu vaccine but was fine, just a bit of Fatigue, after the COVID one.
I've got AF and Arrhythmias and have to have my vaccinations because if low immunity caused by my medications and other health issues.
I know I have to make sure to eat light and be well hydrated before , during and after a vaccination and plan to rest and relax afterwards to prevent stronger symptoms , it seems to work.
I know there are many views , and I could still catch the infections I am vaccinated for , but that the vaccination will still reduce the severity of it or prevent me being hospitalised.
I also know that it's far more common for people to have a flare of AF or trigger the development of worse symptoms or other health conditions from catching COVID or the Flu and having a bad case of it than it is from getting a vaccination.
So , for me , I think vaccinations are well worth having.
The current strain of COVID can also cause some rather nasty gastric symptoms in some people too.
I've recently had COVID for the 3rd time. I felt rough but there again I've had colds that have made me feel about the same. I wasn't ill enough to have to speak to a Dr.I haven't had the latest vaccine as from speaking with more and more medical people who are refusing the last vaccine..
We are all different and it's an individual decision.
I had the first lot of jabs but that’s it as I’ve had covid twice now so am relying on natural immunity. My friend has had all the jabs and hs hd covid four times , the last one she was really rough. My sister hasn’t had any jabs and has caught it once . One thing I’m curious about is thst my other sister has never had covid and she is blood group A and also my friend blood group A . Has anyone one here who has never had covid , blood group A . Just out of interest . Thanks
I'm blood group A rhesus negative and I've had covid - only once, to my knowledge
Blood group A+ and have had it once. Interesting what you say because i remember when covid first arrived in the early days they said that it seemed people with A blood type seemed more at risk! I remember because it frightened the life out of me
I'm blood group A and have never had it, but A is quite a common group. I have only had 3 PFizer vacs, I think the South African government has given up with it and is relying on herd immunity as the uptake was so poor and millions of doses were wasted.
so far I have not had covid and I am A1 +. I have had 5 vaccines but reacted appallingly badly to 4 of them with shaking, twitching, temp, headache, muscle ache and feeling very ill for a week and not at all well for at least a month. Decided not to have any more. My husband had the same jabs with hardly a reaction. We are all different.
Hi Jackie. Yes I've not had covid and am blood group A. Not had any vaccines either and don't intend to. It's immune system or nothing for me. It needs the exercise!☺️
I have never had covid either, but I am B+. Neither of my brothers have had covid, despite sleeping in bed with a covid sick spouse. I am wondering if we have the recently identified genetic immunity.
I’ve had 4 Covid vaccines which had no effect on my AF. I had an AF episode after my flu vaccine but I had quite a strenuous day that day so next time would take it much easier on vaccine day. So it didn’t put me off. As many have said, there are worse things than a bout of AF.
This research from HDRUK and Edinburgh University may be of interest. hdruk.ac.uk/news/first-whol...
Philcolli,
Thank you for posting this important study from HDRUK and Edinburgh University.
Below is a compelling exerpt:
Mathematical modelling indicated that 7,180 hospitalisations and deaths out of around 40,400 severe COVID-19 outcomes during four months in summer 2022 might have been averted, if the UK population was fully vaccinated.
Jim
I don't find that compelling in the slightest. The mathematical modelling done by Imperial has been shown to grossly exaggerate risk over and over, not just with the covid modelling they did in early 2020 but with other modelling they did in the past for foot and mouth disease and BSE. There is a faith in modelling which later real world data shows to be totally unwarranted.
I would direct you to the language - ‘indicated’, ‘might have been’. UK population was highly vaccinated in 2021-2022. The UK government offered a spring booster and an autumn booster.
Mathmatical modelling is not real life and if I understand the reports of this study, which is all over the internet so is easy to find, not surprisingly, it did not factor in any other possible influences such as:- access to healthcare was extremely hard, vaccination centres were often in the middle of nowhere and not easily accessible, it was a particularly hard time economically so many, many more people were undernourished because they were too poor to feed themselves well, anti-viral medications (as we have spoken about before) were and are not readily available in UK for COVID.
My sister works in an ICU unit in one of the largest and busiest hospital in the north of the UK and reported that the majority of their caseload were homeless and/or addicts - smoking, drugs, alcohol. Poverty kills! The report even noted that undervaccination was highest in the male, young, ethnic populations living in deprived areas and those living with existing and underlying health conditions - they are always going to be our most vulnerable groups so why is so much money spent on pharmaceuticals and so little on improving the basics when it is known that when you improve people’s living conditions, feed them a nutritious diet and educate them to find gainful employment - they thrive.
The modellers have a vested interest in scaring us and as has been pointed out, to get funding. Their careers depend upon it. The models used by UK government to influence strategies used to control the pandemic have come into question and we watch with interest the outcome of the current Public Enquiry into the government’s handling of the pandemic. The overall number of deaths forecast was much lower than modellers predicted during the height of pandemic but they succeeded in continuing to secure a government income stream to fund their projects.
Astra Zenica, government financed vaccine, was taken off the market and is facing several test legal cases for causing harm and deaths. Class actions against them are gathering to see what happens.
Mainstream media is starting to pick up stories and run with them, despite threats from government bodies to not publish.
All this has happened on top of our huge Post Office Horizon computer scandal - is it any wonder we do not trust computer modelling? And are getting somewhat paranoid about censorship as open discussion between scientists, researchers and doctors are shut down and careers threatened if question.
Finally we are having debates in parliament about the unexplained excess death rates world wide in 2023, some of which could be explained by other means but the mRNA vaccines are in there as a possible cause.
I agree with Auriculaire - no faith at all in mathematical modelling.
One criticism I read of the modelling study pointed out that it even admitted that the totally unvaccinated did better than the undervaccinated! They then put forward the idea of the "healthy unvaccinée "! There is no such concept or at least there hasn't been up till now. The " healthy vaccinée " effect has been recognised for donkey's years and indeed when this is accounted for with flu vaccines they are found to be of very little use at all.
I have covid at the moment . Well am on day 8 so just feeling a bit washed out. I decided not to have the covid or flu jabs this time. My husband has had his. I caught Covid from him , he was worse than me but neither of us were as bad as the first time we had it by a long way . It was like a proper miserable bad cold . Got up and showered and pottered about but haven’t been out. Viruses tend to become weaker the longer they are about .
I don’t know how an article can be written saying the virus has got worse because the vast number of people who catch Covid do not come to medical attention like ourselves
It’s an individual decision because you can’t extrapolate from other people’s experiences to your own depends on your state of health , are you working in a busy job or around kids a lot, or retired etc. I had had all the jabs until this last one and presumably some natural immunity from the twice I have had Covid
I had it 22nd October and the flu jab at the same time.No issues.
Had all the Covid jabs.
So far as I know I have never had Covid.
If i have had it I did not notice!
this is a vey difficult decision that I also am facing. After my last jab last spring I did go onto PAF and had to have a cardioversion so I’ve refused to take the vaccine again. But it means I’m curtailing all my social interactions and only meeting one or two people indoors!
No flu or C-jab for me.
Instead I keep active, eat well, sleep as well as I can, avoid high risk environments and if not possible use a hi performance (Immunomist) nasal & oral spray and take Vit D.
We have all read different things about the C-jab, the lack of publicity and recording of the harms including deaths. Trust will need to be restored before I venture down that road again, particularly with my AF in remission.
well firstly can I say it’s so refreshing to see a debate like this with no nastiness or scare mongering.
Personally it’s been a debate about my mental state because I’ve got lots of friends who are anti vax and they have gotten into my head previously and it’s been mental torture.
I’ve had COVID twice now and thankfully neither time was serious, in fact I had very few symptoms, I was fully vaccinated up until this season but decided against it .
Time will tell in this ultimate debate about COVID vaccines and the safety of them .
I had the latest covid jab and didn't notice any change in my symptoms, neither with the flu vaccine. I just thought the possible side affects of having covid unvaccinated were likely to be worse than any side affects from the jab but who knows!
I actually can't believe anyone is still considering taking this when it is so clear that it does NOTHING. The only thing it does is cause more harm than good. The side effects are far far greater than the benefits. Actually the benefits are non existent. It is not a conspiracy theory anymore. Please read up about it and don't read about it on mainstream media like BBC, SKY etc. Good luck with whatever decision you make.
Hi Tony, im with you here , almost everyone i know that has been part of the experimental has come down with flu like symptons.
Flu like symptoms is lucky. I know so many who have taken it and have had heart attacks, cancer, lung issues.... the list goes on. The problem is it's difficult to say that's what caused it but just look at the Oncology centres, they're packed. Cardiologists can't keep up. Enough of this nonsense by calling it 'Long Covid'. It is the Vaccine. End of story.
Totally agree , ive seen serious health issues and excess deaths rise in my town, no one can tell me otherwise, although it will be hard to prove , i too think covid is the vaccine, or should i say experiment.
I know people with no previous or hereditary heart condition before they took the jab suddenly get heart disease and strokes and heart attacks and they don't find that strange? How can you be all ok and all of a sudden get heart problems unless you are obese and eat really badly? It's not normal. I was born with heart disease and have a family history of it so it makes sense. My cardiologist blames the vaccine. I used to be able to make an appointment with my cardio (Im privately insured) literally 2 weeks before my appointment before the vaccine was brought out. Now I have to book to see him literally 2 months in advance and that's due to how busy he is with new cases.
With hindsight , and I’m not an anti vaxxer,something that was rolled out so quickly . How can it be safe in that time frame for testing etc , especially long term side effects
hi Tony, can you post any links to current studies or articles? Very interested. Thank you.
There are lots of blogs on Substack which link to the most recent research on the covid vaccines. Look up Igor Chudov , Eugyppius - a plague chronicle, Alex Berenson , The Fat Emperor , Robert Malone , Jessica Rose. Their blogs often link to those of others . There are also statistitians like Prof Norman Fenton who debunk the notion that these vaccines have actually saved lives. I doubt very much whether any links to what these people post would be allowed on this site now .
take it from someone who tested positive yesterday, get the vaccine if you can. Covid is increasing my ectopics and flutters at the mo but I didn’t get the last vac as the thought of just that worried me. Take care 🦊x
The vaccines do not prevent you catching covid. They never have done.
Can’t recall not wearing a mask over last few days, was shocked to have positive result, thought it was gastroenteritis but then breathless n cough…,take care 🦊x
When I caught covid I had to be hospitalised as I went into atrial flutter which lasted 6 months. I'd do anything possible to avoid getting that again.
Only you can decide in the end. I will be 80 this year, I have permanent AF. I have never had any of the the covid vaccinations, never worn a mask and never had covid. Everyone I talk to who has had the covid vaccination seems to get sick so for me it will always be a no no.
I’m with you you Kathleen.. Never had any of the jabs refuse to wear a mask despite the daily fear campaigns by all legacy media with Z list celebrities proclaiming at every opportunity that anyone refusing the jab should be jailed or threatened with losing their jobs and for a vaccine that by their own admission only lasts a few weeks at best.. Never had Covid to my knowledge Continued to work throughout the enforced draconian lockdown measures being a self employed tradesman. Strangely almost everyone I know who that was vaccinated has had Covid at least once.. for me having a strong immune system healthy diet plenty of exercise and good hygiene is paramount and long May it last despite being in permanent AF.
We all make our choices..
Hi steve, its hard to believe people fell for the fear campaign and still do ,you put it all very well.
It is insane!!! People are still believing this world wide deception!!
I really don’t blame the people for succumbing to the relentless pressure with the daily death count let alone the Government and Legacy Media and Big Pharma with their misinformation fear machine in full overdrive.. the fear was very intense with people even being told to wash and wipe their post.. what is difficult to understand is the people’s reluctance to question the excess deaths in all age groups that are currently being ignored all by all governments worldwide and any conversation is immediately shut down as we all recently witnessed in Parliament..the truth will eventually be realised but unfortunately most of us won’t be around to see it. Stay Well
In a certain way people have become lazy in this day and age to do their own research, we have the means to do this, we have become used to if something isnt working throw it out and get a new one mentality, making the intellect lazy ,almost dormant, in this case if we believe if everyone else is doing it , lets do it, backed up by irrational fear, thing is i dont believe as many took part in this experiment as we were led to believe, dont get me wrong , i felt the fear myself, of been excluded for not getting onto the threadmill , the fear and ensuing propaganda from the mainstream was certainly intense and brainwashing.
My personal experience and not meant as advice.I personally blame the first Astra Zenica jab in Jan 21 for my switch to Persistent AFib.Overnight from 2 attacks in 18months.However it is quite possible I would have been a lot worse had I caught COVID at that time.I had a further 3 or 4 without problems.I personally decided not to have the latest as in NSR after ablation.My husband had his.
We both caught covid and both had same symptoms.
It depends on how you feel and your personal health.
The latest evidence that I have read, and I try hard to remain up to date, is that for anyone over 60 or at risk of developing severe covid owing to such risks as being overweight or having high blood pressure, the booster remains important and will prevent hospitalisation. It is the case that it is very unlikely to cause side effects beyond the aching arm, mild fever that occur in the days after the jab in some people.
There is some evidence rare side effects do follow covid vaccination or boosters in a few people. There is some experimental evidence also that these side effects might be a result, not of the mRNA component itself, but of the adjuvants and carriers required to deliver this.
The side effects that are being linked are because the vaccine or its components appear to be "pro-inflammatory" in a very few people and, in that group, lead to auto-immune and inflammatory conditions including musculoskeletal pain, vasculitis (including giant-cell arteritis), polymalgia rheumatica and various vascular. These conditions following much more commonly follow covid-19 infection, but might also follow the booster vaccines in a few.
I have read that government has also purchased non-mRNA vaccines but the ones we were given were Moderna. There is no choice in which vaccine will be given, only in whether to be vaccinated. We both chose the latter given the current state of play as we know people who have become seriously ill from covid itself and only hearsay concerning effects of vaccination.
In my own case, I am left wondering whether worsening "tendonitis" and joint pain hasn't followed my last covid booster in October 2023, and a blood test did reveal higher inflammatory markers.
Steve
The main problem with both the virus and the vaccine is the toxicity of the spike protein . The vaccines turn our bodies into spike protein producers . However in some people the mechanism by which the mRNA provokes this process does not turn off after a few days ( as we were assured it would). Some people are producing spike protein for months . They then get a booster ( at one point vulnerable people were advised to get boosted every 4/6 months) so they could have been producing spike protein almost continuously. This is not natural and quite frankly the vaccine promotor scientists have no idea how to turn this off nor any way of knowing who this will happen to. Contaminants have also been found in the vaccines - fragments of DNA that should have been removed in the manufacturing process but were not and which surpass the limits put on such contaminants by the EMA. Given the efficacy of the LNPs in ferrying the mRNA into our cells there is every reason to suppose that they are also ferrying this DNA in as well. This contamination was not a factor in the clinical trials as the vaccines used for the trials were made by a different process- one not suitable for mass manufacturing. The current boosters have not been tested in clinical trials . Nor were last year's bivalent boosters. Nor indeed given the difference in the manufacturing process were the original jabs. This has been one gigantic experiment on billions of people who have not been able to give properly informed consent because they were not properly informed.
Fortunately the numbers affected with any severity are vastly lower than the numbers affected severely by covid-19 itself. Without the vaccination programme, the numbers of people seriously affected by spike protein issues would surely be vast, worldwide.
The toxicity of circulating S-protein, whether derived form covid-19 or any of the vaccines, and the ability to enter cells of all organs as well as to cross the blood-brain barrier is a growing worry. We can only hope that safer vaccines are developed and that some means of mitigating the S-protein effects is found. There is some hope - I have read of mixes of anti-inflammatory drugs that seem able to degrade the protein.
Steve
I’ve had 3 or 4 covid jabs (likewise my hubby) and although I had minor afib attack after the first one, the last two I was very poorly with afib/tachycardia and this went on for over 5 weeks. No medication or cardioversion worked.
So although I’ve had a text to have my jab this year I’m very wary as I’ve now had a pacemaker and touch wood I’m not too bad at all.
Of course everyone has to make their own decisions but I don’t think I will have another covid jab
All the best……Pat
In my case the covid jab is worst than the illness so I haven't bothered with it,I've had the flu jab though without any problems.
I have had the jabs whenever they are offered with no ill effects and when I did catch it I only knew as it brought on an episode of AF ( ended soon with an extra Flecainide pill) and I tested positive. No temperature or other symptoms. We know we are all different but best to have the jab.
I can only tell you my personal experience and I’m not qualified to tell anybody else what to do. When the time came for my age group to have their vaccine, I was concerned about the side effects I had witnessed. I waited until I had an appointment with my cardiologist who agreed with my reluctance to have it so I have not had any of the Covid jabs offered. I was in hospital overnight not long after and it was just before they were deciding whether to make the jabs mandatory for NHS staff. I asked around and most of them had not had the vaccine - most of them were young and one nurse said that she had the flu jab for the first time as she didn’t want to seem to be anti-vax. Another nurse said she had it and although had no adverse reaction, said she had wished she had waited.
Despite now being deemed as “vulnerable” due to my condition, I still declined it as my gut told me no. I caught covid in Dec 21 and although it was nasty, I’ve had worse and I’ve had better. As it wasn’t long after my ablation, I was having terrible AF attacks during the blanking period bit when I had Covid, I called the heart nurses and left a message. My husband insisted on calling 111 who said they were sending ambulance. The nurses called back and when I told them an ambulance was on its way, they told me to hang up and cancel it. They said my AF was not related to Covid and were completely happy that I would be fine at home with an extra beta blocker. I took their advice and I was.
Over two years on from then and I’ve not been ill since - no post viral syndrome (now re-branded Long Covid). My mother is 70 with severe COPD and partial lung missing from cancer and never had the vaccine - she has been in the best health for a while. Every single person I know (personally - not claiming to speak for al) who had the vaccine has caught covid or been ill multiple times with a few saying they have Long Covid. A close friend of mine couldn’t get out of bed for 3 months after her shots.
That’s my experience (I hesitated at first bc I don’t react well to meds - had some awful experiences) and I’m happy for those to have had the jabs with no adverse reaction and not caught Covid.
I had.bad reaction to this years Pfizer jab in October all covid symptoms diahrrea muscle pain and finally double vison for two weeks. I took a covid test which was negative. Saw an ophthalmologist nothing wrong with my eyes no catarrats etc and nothing they could do for me in medication. All doctors say nothing to do with covid vaccination they are all in denial. I live in Spain so no yellow card system in place as in UK H to report this.
I react badly to flu jabs and reacted badly to Astra zenica jab for Covid, had 1 Pfizer jab but reaction wasn’t too bad, after 2nd Pfizer had LBBB 10 days later then developed AF, have had cardioversion which has put me back in NSR so far. Drs at first dismissed as reaction to jab but have now said although can’t prove it think it’s what caused LBBB and AF. I think it has to be a personal thing for each of us, husband has had all jabs up to date and has been fine
I have had five jabs to date! I have had no afib outbreaks after any of them! Perhaps you had them because of fear. Fear and Anxiety are key triggers for Afib! I admit, I felt like crap, for a day or two, but no Afib. If I were you, I would get that vaccine as soon as you can. Trust me, getting Covid ( which I have also had ) is way worse than any side effects from the jab!
I have had 3 COVID vaccines. I am A+ and have never had COVID. I quit getting vaccines because my body broke out with psoriasis following those 3 and a flu vaccine. Never had any skin issues ever and I am 76. No more!
I developed an arrhythmia after mine in 22. It lasted 3 weeks then went quiet for 6 months but started up again last October which ended up with 4 days monitoring in hospital. It settled before I went home. Cardiologist told me it was almost certainly caused by the pfizer jab and would probably happen again. I tried to get a different brand this time but nothing was available. It was not AF ; just a crazy arrhythmia.
I had more PACs and PVCs following a treadmill stress test than when I got jabbed last Nov. I notice that I get more of those annoyances after eating something that triggers them.
My position is no! There is a lot coming out here in the U.S. as well as other countries, about sudden deaths as well as cancers, blood clots, myocarditis and so much more that the vaccines are causing. And this actually happening all over the world. I guess I better stop there, because of censorship.
l have had all injections (Merderna - sp?) EXCEPT the last one. I have never had Covid … my husband HAS had Covid and has had the last injection … the one l refused … even though we are in the same household, l didn’t catch Covid? Everyone l know has had Covid … for some reason, my body just can’t catch Covid in spite of going to a crowded gym daily and not wearing a mask. When l did have the injections, l had relatively no side effects??? I refused the last injection because my inner voice was screaming NO NO NO! I did take the regular flu vaccine. I always listen to my inner voice … laugh if you like, but l think it is our Almighty warning me and communicating with me.
The current vaccine is based on the XBB1.5 strain of Omicron which was the prevalent strain in 2023 . It has been overtaken by other strains now . Covid is evolving so rapidly that the vaccines are constantly playing "catch up" . Personally I do not think it is worth risking the sometimes very serious side effects for a product that has no evidence of efficacy. Clinical trials on these new vaccines are either not done at all or on very few people. Pfizer did none - simply published reactogenicity studies ( ie whether antibodies are produced) . This is NOT a clinical trial. Moderna tested on 50 people and one person had a serious adverse event .
There are already 83 replies but I will add one more.
The voluminous data that is coming out over the past year is stunning. Excess death stats (deaths over and above expected) are clearly AFTER each vaccine roll-out - across the world.
The more shots, the more the immune system is compromised. I have cancer of the immune system (a blood cancer) and I went to many conferences pre-Covid. So here is some background.
Our T cells, our body's prize fighters against foreign invaders. Unfortunately, the shots cross the cell barrier and damage T cell function. (This is due to the mRNA mechanism and the nanoparticle encasement.) Our T cells are amazing. They are our natural killer (NK) cells and have broad-spectrum intelligence. They are our command cells and tell the B cells (police force "on the ground") what to do. The B cells glob on to the invaders and destroy them. In an immune-compromising situation, the police force gets corrupted. With the shots, the spike protein limits the scope of the T cells. Furthermore, the antibodies from the shots are sub-optimal and don't last.
This information comes from vaccinologists, virologists, pathologists, cardiologists, statisticians...across the disciplines. If I were to provide websites, I wouldn't know where to start. Many of these were sounding the alarm from the start and now stats show they were right.
We say we can each make our own health decisions and we seriously need that freedom. In Canada that was difficult and many of us paid a price. The World Economic Forum is meeting in Switzerland this week and their plans don't look good for any future pandemics. They and the World Health Organization want the power to decide globally what is a pandemic and what isn't. They want full control. God help us.
I made the decision not to have the Covid booster offered but took the flu jab. Despite asking the question, I’ve had no answers to why I developed AFib and four TIAs last February. I now know that from my Fitbit that I began to get signs of AFib alerts in October 22, just after my Covid booster. After the first Astra Zeneca jab I was very unwell but despite the reactions continued to have the boosters. I had no underlying conditions, fit, healthy, walking football and regularly at the gym. Other than my age, I’m 66 there was no explanation for me developing AFib so I can’t help but wonder if it was the vaccine. I’ve also had Covid twice, first time worse than the second.
I think you will not be able to have one now as the latest batch ran uput of date on 15th December
Here are some things to seriously consider. A COVID vaccination could potentially cause myocarditis. Myocarditis could lead to Ventricular Tachycardia or Ventricular Fibrillation. Both of these are life threating conditions requiring lifelong medication or ablation or ICD. A COVID vaccination could also cause POTS. This condition is currently incurable and may require lifelong medication. These may be rare occurrences but nonetheless these are known facts. Not trying to scare anyone just stating known facts. Don't ask me to prove anything. Google is there if you want to know more. Best wishes.
The covid vaccination sets off my afib every time. I have had 4 boosters (none since October 2022) and I am not having another.I have recently had Covid - I didn't even know until I tested - I had a headache for 2 days, a few aches and pains but as far as I know nothing else. I am now resting negative.
My mum picked it up from me (passed on when I didn't know), she too had very few symptoms and this was over a week ago so hopefully it has now passed. Mum is almost 96!!!
Now I am not trying to influence anyone wishing to have the vaccine but for me I am not convinced of the safety of such vaccinations. I asked my doctor and all he would say is "We don't know enough about them yet"!
Bit different from the mantra " safe and effective" that was touted 3 years ago!
Hi, contrary to most , with a covid jab 2yrs ago it took me out of AF into normal rhythm, so I'm all in favour, but I don't have flu jab at same time.
I've been in permanent, though asymptomatic, AF for 7+ years. I've had every covid jab available, and never knowingly had covid. I had a bad cough in early December,and had a covid test which was negative. The cough was caused by an exacerbation of asthma due to a lower respiratory infection.
In addition to my earlier post....
healthunlocked.com/afassoci...
I am classed as vitamin D deficient and I am prescribed VD3 which I have taken for a few years. Since developing Temporal Arteritis last summer I have been prescribed Calci-D as well. My brother 84 also takes VD3, I hope along with his vaccinations it helped when he caught COVID.
Nothing would deter me from having a booster for COVID in spite of the side effects I experienced with the 2nd booster which were scary and horrible . The reason for this is I can imagine having COVID and laying immobile and breathing with a respirator for days maybe weeks . Perhaps being asthmatic I have had a taste of what it is to have difficulty breathing , my niece with severe asthma describes feeling she is drowning during her exacerbations and says she felt the same when in hospital with COVID. She was only in hospital 2 days and recovered quickly, she had all her boosters.
As someone who is symptomatic with AF and would do almost anything to avoid episodes refusing a booster is not one of them , there are worse things like COVID.
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