I’ve had AF for around 5 years - virtually symptom free. I’ve been sent a text from my surgery asking me to book an appointment for my autumn Covid jab. I’ve had them all up to now but given various horror stories I’ve heard I’m not sure whether to have this one or not. Any thoughts, anyone?
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I avoid having flu vax and covid booster on the same day, but always accept them as I’d rather not have flu or covid. I make sure I’ve had a healthy breakfast and practice deep breathing and meditation to keep metabolism in good form. No idea if that’s grounded in science but it settles the doubts!
Oh I hadn’t thought if not having them both on same day - thanks for that. Good advice!
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Rainfern excellent advice. I would keep on doing that.
But I refuse flu jabs.
For Covid I keep very hydrated, eat a good breakfast have 1/2 banana and the other 1/2 minus the dog's tip bit or any bruised part, setting me up for a glorious day.
I have never had COVID but I did get flu last August - none this year.
The phlegm showed COCCI and PNEUMONIA so at the 2 weeks mark which I thought I had almost left it behind 5 days of AMOZIL. That finished it off.
Any fear of Cardiac Mylitus I would have an antibiotic before and after. Ask your Dr first. Inflammation of the heart structure is to be feared but it is the same risk if you get it.
A risk both ways. The latest has the new strains added.
cherio JOY. 75. (NZ)
I think it’s not an easy choice and understand those choosing not to have a vaccine. Wishing you continued good health Joy.
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Thanks.
MRI today to check on post op right shoulder. Specialist thinks my elbow wasn't looked at or treated so investigation. Results before I go.
JAPAN 7th October.
I've just been catching up on emails. A new variant spreading COVID in Europe. I'm more down towards NZ with only 11 hours flying tme.
And our daylight saving is during tomorrow night.
I had my last end of July.
cheri JOY
I have had every available covid vaccination so far the last one being a booster in April.
I am having the new respiratory vaccine on Saturday then covid/flu vaccination 2 weeks later. I have had 1 bad reaction to the covid vaccination which was the second one but that did not deter me and was preferable to the prospect of catching covid.
Thanks for this. It does seem that most of us are still opting in rather than out….
I have had them all, have AF now, but also contracted Covid 2 winters ago, it does not prevent one catching any of these things.
I have had them all but like you, had a dreadful reaction to the last covid jab - far worse than when I actually had covid according to 15 days of positive tests when I felt no different from usual! My left arm is still painful!
Agreed. My husband and I had the shingles vaccine some time ago but he has just had shingles! When he told the Dr he had the vaccine, the Dr just laughed. Says it all.
That’s really interesting. I had been told by a pain specialist that the pain in my back was the aftereffects of shingles even though I had never been aware of having had it! So when the jab against it was offered I asked if I should have it but did not get an answer so mistakenly didn’t get it! When I got shingles with the excruciating pain before the rash, even though I mentioned all that to the surgery I was unable to get an appointment for nearly two weeks by which time the pain had gone and the rash had appeared but presumably it was too late to be offered an antiviral. That is how I developed both the paroxysmal atrial fibrillation and chronic fatigue!! I’ve had the shingles jab now as apparently, it reduces the seriousness of shingles if you do get it! How I wish I’d been told that when it was first on offer! I might have still been fit and healthy!
I wish you well and hope that you get back to good health soon.
I had a successful cardioversion done December 22 almost two years ago. I’ve slipped back into AF again, don’t know why in August 24. I’ve an appt with cardiology 5 Nov to see what happens next.
At 77 yrs I’m rather 'accepting' of circumstances but it would be nice to get back into N.S.Rhythm again someday soon. Don’t like the breathlessness and lack of energy.
Good luck. 👍
I hardly ever have episodes now that I take Flecainide regularly. I have reduced the first dose of the day to 50mg and have 100mg in the evening. I have only had two short episodes since being on regular Flecainide and the last one was over in under an hour - it started earlier than I usually take the first one so I took 100mg and my heart was back to normal 40 minutes later! It has worked very well for several years now. Only two short episodes in over two years since I’ve taken it regularly after previously taking it as PiP.
That’s interesting. Thank you. I wish you well.
Thanks! I’ve made it to well into my 81st year amazingly, and fortunately my husband does the stuff I can no longer manage to do!
The old shingles vaccine wore off and is different than the newest one Shingrix. I was sorry I delayed having the new one because I got singles so bad I went to the emergency room. It affected my breathing because it was on my chest and I have breathing issues to begin with.
Interesting. Thanks for info.
Sorry, that says nothing other than the doctor is ignorant. Your husband's shingles could have been much worse without the vaccination. People's sudden fear of vaccinations is causing a world health crisis with children dying of once almost eradicated childhood disease. Even Polio is rising again! We should be very careful of the attitude we spread regarding vaccination. Especially when we are not scientists working in the field.
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My second one too. Pfzer manufactured.
But because the site ended up with a big circle of red itchy and sore it was described that the reason was because the nurse had put it into my nerve instead of my muscle.
cheri JOY
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I missed out the spring one more out of indolence than anyhing else. Had my new rsv? one a couple of weeks ago and not yet heard about flu and Covid. Never had a bad reaction to any of them.
If you haven’t reacted to the previous vaccines there is no reason to think you may to this, I think everyone needs to decide for themselves. I agree about safer to take flu vaccine separately. There is a lot of COVID and RSV around in SE of UK at the moment. What seems to be evident in my social circle is that people returning from travel, especially cruises, seem to arrive home and develop symptoms within a few days.
My own view and experience that vaccine doesn’t prevent you from catching COVID but it may stop you from becoming very ill with it. So far I’ve had COVID 4 times, never developed antibodies from the vaccines but have from having COVID. The evidence also suggests that protection lasts for only a few weeks so timing of when you take the vaccine could be important.
I think there is more risk from Flu pandemic and RSV if elderly than there is from COVID now but I’m not going to have any of the vaccines because I always react to the vaccines, always went into AF and it often takes me longer to recover than it does to recover from the disease. I therefore believe that the risks exceed the benefits for me.
There was some new research published in Nature about why some people succumb to COVID whilst others don’t and it seems that even when a mild dose of COVID was sprayed directly into the nose about one third did not develop the disease. Researchers tracked this down to several factors, one being the acitivation of specific gene a specific gene called HLA-DQA2. It is now hoped that this could inform who would or not benefit from taking vaccines. Source - The Conversation.
Thanks for this - interesting research. And I totally understand your reasons for not having the vaccine.
I live in South Africa, and the government seems to have forgotten all about Covid. I don't know of anywhere that is giving the vaccinations - there are no SMSs telling you to come for a booster. I had 3 Pfizer jabs 2 six months apart when they first came out and a booster a year later. I think that the uptake was so low for various reasons,that millions of doses were wasted. I have not heard of anyone having the virus for 2 or 3 years, some of whom never ever had a single jab.
Very interesting.
If you are unsure it's best to speak to your doctor.Saying that, from my experience everyone who suffers from covid and had it multiple times has been vaccinated. Worth noting most of my associates have been vaccinated so it is most likely more to do with poor general health.
When asking them if they have had their vitamin D levels checked none of them have, unfortunately at best one said they take multi vitamins, and he's a solicitor you would think he would know better lol
Vacations play an important part in most people's health regime, certainly if travelling abroad certain vaccines are essential.
The right information backed up by talking to an informed medical professional will help you decidewhat is best for you.
Make sure to drink plenty of clean water, eat a reasonably balanced diet and do as much exercise as can.
Speaking as someone who thought their diet was ok, kept on getting ill and was tiered all the time, turned out I had low blood levels of vitamin D. Since I've been taking "quality " vitamin D and k2 I've not really been ill since, part from a few days of covid. That was 2011.
While you have decided against, others should not decide against based on your comments.Afib is the most common cardiac arrhythmia in COVID-19 patients.
Also, having Covid more than once increases your chance of getting long Covid.
I agree with not taking Covid and flu boosters at same time but both should be taken even if there is a reaction.
The most current info for Covid booster (all three manufacturers) is at least 90% efficacy and duration is 3-4 months.
I think you need to reread my comment, you seem to of misunderstood what I was saying
Sorry if I did.Maybe it was ambiguous.
You don't indicate if you had all the boosters.
Also, you did say "everyone who suffers from covid and had it multiple times has been vaccinated".
Lakky12 was talking about horror stories and her concerns about having another booster. That's why I tried to emphasize her need to talk to a Doctor. And of course do what she can to improve her health.
Alot of people are understandably concerned about having a booster and flu vaccine at the same time. And how it effects other medication they are on.
What concerns me is that there is so much lack of trust in vaccines after the covid vaccine turned out to be less than reliable that people are no longer willing to have tried and tested "nessary ", vaccines.
I wanted to put across the importance of most vaccines and how they differ from what people where told would treat covid.
I seems to be a case of if you are elderly or have certain conditions and havehad the covid vaccine and all the boosters it's most likely best to continue. But you will need other vaccines as well.
I'm trying not to talk about the rights and wrongs of the covid vaccine as lakky12 is already concerned.
That takes us back to doing what you can to improve your own health, even if its just taking vitamins d3 and k2. The better our physical and mental health the better vaccines will help with less risk of side effects
Mrs Ben Hall and I have never failed to have them ...no problems. Will continue to do so.
I always have flu vaccs and so far have had all covid vaccs offered. Had both on same day once, no prob, but prefer not to I think.I do think we have more to learn about mRNA vaccines (covid)
After receiving a COVID-19 shot at a pharmacy, I experienced significant swelling in my supraclavicular and neck lymph nodes for eight months. Although this swelling can indicate cancer, my doctor attributed it to the shot placement. It should be given near the middle of the deltoid muscle in the upper arm, but mine was done too high where it triggered a large immune response in the nearby lymphatic system. A biopsy confirmed it was harmless, and my doctor was right, but the wait caused considerable anxiety. My doctor also emphasized the importance of proper shot administration, especially for mRNA vaccines, to avoid side effects. Vaccines are important, but I'll be sure to ask and watch how its given.
I'm deffo not having anymore, started my afib and PMR I think. I had 4, not had one since 2022. Had COVID in January 2024 apart from being tired and a pounding head for a couple of days I didn't know I had it. Could be different next time but I will take my chance
There’s definitely two schools of thought about the vaccine. Several friends of mine who don’t have any heart conditions or anything else, won’t have it, and the flip side is GPs constantly promote it. The jury is still out….
I agree. Mum was in hospital last week and I got into a conversation with a young, newly appointed doctor and I asked her for her thoughts on the vaccine and the safety (in her opinion of course). She didn't give me a direct answer but said she believes 'tgey are safer now having gone through more rigorous testing'. I am nervous as I know too many people started with heart problems following vaccination. Would this have happened anyway? Like you say the jury is still out
I had my Covid booster the second week of September, with no side effects, other than some redness at the injection site. My plan is to get my flu shot in mid-October. Still debating on RSV, but since I have small airway disease, in addition to Afib, I likely will.
HiLakky
Yes, a galore of horror stories. Have you spoken to friends, associates who got the jab?
My, anecdotal, evidence suggests otherwise. Given the choice, I am going to have the booster.
Please let me know if you have a substantiated proof of any harm. Always willing to learn.
Kind wishes
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This vaccine is not a booster; it is configured to the current mutated viruses.
I've had every jab offered. I had proper flu many years ago, when I was younger and fitter, it was a torrid time, and illness to be avoided..As for the RSV jab, I shall willingly have that.
only had the first 2 covid jabs due work pressure (air ambulance crew) but only if i could have AZ (vectored) rather than m/rna , which was agreed.
No pressure subsequently to get any of the m/rna boosters.
Never had a flu jab. Was always happier to get the flu.
Covid twice. Wasnt too bad.
Happy to face the future. Retired now so no more work pressure to jab up !
iv no intention of having anymore covid jabs I tested positive for covid but wasn't ill at all only had the jab before as worked as a carer and had to but I blame my AF on the covid jabs
So do I after my third booster. I also have burning feet which has now been attributed to Covid/vaccine nobody knows. Either way, I mask up when out and about and given I’m in NSR since my DCCV I have no intention of taking any risks with any vaxx. I’m healthy and have never had flu so plan to stay that way.
I'm in permanant AF well controlled with meds i like your am healthy keep myself fit and I have s good immune system I intend to stay that way so can do without the risk of the jab
I've had 3 jabs since 2019, all of which is had some sort of adverse effect to, so I haven't had one since & had 1 dose of covid since, albeit a mild infection.
I drive coaches & I'm surrounded by people coughing & sneezing, but haven't caught anything off the passengers.
All our coaches have Hepa filters in the air con system & an air ioniser in the vehicle. Hepa filters help scrub the air of 99% of contaminats & is a standard fit in most coaches in the road today.
I also take 1500mg Slow Release Vit C tablets everyday, to help boost my immune system, which seems to be working.
I was in hospital Sunday and Monday so I asked the consultant given that last year it caused myocarditis- he said no!
A no brainer for me. Go for it. I've had the full program with both flu and Covid jabs at the same time last year. Felt a bit under the weather for 24 hours but no other impact. Having lost my mother and nearly my sister to Covid who were unvaxxed, I know what the alternative risks are.
Have Covid now and has been like a very heavy cold. Have not had any boosters recently after a bad reaction (tiredness mainly) to the last one. Considering a booster but still not sure. My Af which is permanent has not been affected by current infection. Will have flu jab as having experienced flu in the past, it’s one to avoid.
I just got over Covid and mine too was a cold not even a bad one. Had a fever for one day and then started improving. Hardly any cough this time either. It’s my third co around. But I use ivermectin and hydroxychloriquine along with providone nasal spray and it has worked wonders.
Those things are not available to us in the UK, nor antivirals of any kind unless we fit specific categories, mostly cancer related. Our best bet is not to catch it if we can.
I’m sorry to hear that. Yes not catching it is the best bet and taking precautions you see fit is the best we can do.
I'm too young to be included in the Covid criteria this time. I had Covid two years ago, and it was so awful that I determined to have every booster available. So my husband and I both travelled to the big city and paid for private jabs a week ago. Just the usual achy arms for a few days. Next week we're going to our local community pharmacy on "opening" day of flu jabs, hoping we get them free as we qualify for these, but our NHS appointments are end of November, and I think it's too risky to wait. We are away on a cruise at the end of that week, so need to feel as safe as possible. If we must pay, so be it. We always used to pay for flu jabs every year before we qualified anyway. As regards same day, had the flu stock been available last week when getting Covid jab, I'd have taken both, as I have done before - slightly more achy arm as I wanted one side to sleep on. As with most things in life, you decide what feels right for you, and I'm going to continue to buy a covid booster every year until either I qualify, or forever after should the NHS fail.
We paid for our Covid vaccination in the spring as we are too young. But mum lives with us and she's 89. This time I have popped up as eligible. I don't know why. I'm still too young. My husband hasn't heard either way. He will pay for one if he has to do so. Mum and I are booked in for both flu and Covid but on different days.
I've had afib after one COVID jab but not the others (4?) plus after one flu jab but not the other eight!!I still think that whatever reaction you I have to the jab would be worse with the real infection 👍
I have refused covid vaccines from the start and ignored all instructions from day 1 to get mine. Having seen what it has done to one of my grandsons, let alone other stories from friends, I would not have one. I also refuse flu vaccines now; I used to have them until one winter one of my sons got a bad dose of flu in spite of vaccine. Apparently they are not sure what type of flu is coming, so it is a mixture of two or three. Recently, I have also had a call for further vaccination for something I have never heard of!
Having lived abroad from an early age to about 12, and trips to Africa, I had many vaccines. No problems -they have done research on these vaccines, and they have been good. But covid - something was rushed through with no proper research on it, let alone the appalling results on people's health, fear throughout the UK and world and lockups. Now with AF recently diagnosed, I am even more careful what chemicals are put into my body; have had problems with allergic reactions to some medications, and swapping pills! All seems to be on an even keel now. But no vaccinations whatever!
I haven't had any either and never caught covid. Prior to covid I had 4 annual flu jabs and had 4 heart attacks within a month of getting them. I stopped taking them the year before covid. I have Long QT syndrome and there are a lot of drugs I have to avoid so scrutinise every medication offered. There was no package insert or safety data to read with covid vaccines.
Morning Lakky12, Flu, Covid, any any other respiratory condition, can and does affect everyone differently. I have had all the jabs offered, but as others have said, I have the flu and Covid one separately! I always have side effects from them (shivery, achy, nauseous) which lasts for about 24 hours, but when I had them together it knocked me out for two or three days. I had Covid in the early days of the disease and it felt like a fairly normal cold so I believe that the preventative jabs helped me. I’ve been offered both but not had anything regarding the RSV yet!! Good luck
I believe The first AZ jab I had switched me from Paroxysmal to persistent.2 attacks in 18months then persistent the day after.I had COVID Vax for 2 1/2 years with the attitude if they affect me it it could move me up the list.I have had no COVID Vax since my ablation in Feb 23.I still have the flue jab.My hubby always has both.We have both had covid when vaccinated and when I haven't been.
One of my best friends is a famous virologist, dr. Geert Vanden Bossche. He has an outstanding reputation, and has been working in companies where vaccines are developed, amongst others: the Bill Gates Foundation and GAVI. He was involved in developing vaccines against the Ebola strain in Africa. It’s safe to say that my dear friend is a keen supporter of vaccination.
But… he warned all his friends in the beginning of the COVID-crisis not to take any of the mRNA vaccines, because he did not trust the way they are designed and tested. He also warned that mass vaccination during a pandemic would pressure the virus into a virulent response, developing more agressive and/or contagious variants.
Unfortunately, he has been proven right on all accounts. There are literally hundreds of variants of the virus in circulation now, making it practically impossible to develop an efficient vaccine. Moreover, there are too many side effects, like peri- and myocarditis, when compared to other vaccines. His clear advice to us was, and still is: stay far away from these vaccines.
But of course this is for everyone to decide individually. There is nothing more personal than your own body, of which you are the only master and caretaker.
How wonderful he is a friend, he has been a clear and calming voice from the outset, I have immense respect and gratitude for him.
Geert is also an extremely kind man, deeply concerned for children. That’s why and when he decided to raise his voice: when he discovered that there were plans to vaccinate children and even infants with the novel mRNA-vaccines. He had many sleepless nights because of this.
Bless him, a truly honourable man. Please if you will do tell him that he is creating positive ripples far beyond his obvious reach by so many of use following him and sharing his expertise onwards to our family and friends and networks.
It has been shown taking the booster reduces the effects of covid and ending up in hospital. Also, Novavax vaccine is not mRNA.
Which booster? For which of the hundreds of COVID-variants that exist in this moment?
There are three boosters for the current Covid variants: Pfizer, Moderna and Novavax.In Canada, they will be available in early October.
Check with your local pharmacy.
But for which one of the hundreds of variants are these boosters designed? One booster cannot act against hundreds of variants at the same time.
The current variant groups KP.3 and JN.1.As they are the most likely to encounter.
The variants KP.3 and JN.1 are sub-lineages of the Omicron variant. These variants continue to evolve, leading to multiple subvariants under each. For KP.3, there is at least one notable subvariant, KP.3.1.1, which has been responsible for a significant portion of infections in some regions, such as the United States, where it accounted for 30-40% of clinical specimens in mid-2024. Other subvariants like KP.3.3 have also been identified.
JN.1, being an earlier variant, has descendants such as KP.2, KP.3, and LB.1, all of which belong to the FLiRT variant family. Each of these subvariants has exhibited mutations that enhance their infectivity and immune escape potential.
The KP group (KP.1, KP.2, KP.3, and KP.4) has seen circulation in multiple countries, indicating that these variants are actively evolving and spreading, particularly in areas like Nepal and the U.S. These variants may spread rapidly and evade immunity.
In general, it has been found that mass vaccination during a pandemic fuels a development of variants and subvariants, which evade immunization. Hence the difficulty in designing efficient vaccine boosters.
Despite his misgivings many lives were saved by these vaccines. We lost 1 million people in the US. Many young, healthy and vigorous.
My best friend almost died this year from covid; her heart filled with clots!The local pharmacies had no Paxlovid. She was actually very healthy. She hadn’t any boosters in awhile.
I have had every COVID vaccine but never have that and flu together. I've just got over a bout of COVID caught visiting my late husband in hospital. I've booked my flu for next week, but COVID will come later. So far, there are no appointments yet for RSV which I will have as soon as it's available I have a phobia about having too many vaccines all in one go.
Thank goodness I'm too old for babies as the MMR vaccine they have would cause me problems
I missed the last one only but did get the most recent. No issues. Had the flu shot a few weeks later. No problems at all. The flu shot was the easiest ever. Not even a sore arm. I believe in them, and RSV etc. I don’t want Covid or the flu etc., so I’ll do all I can to avoid them.
I am still very traumatised from working in the nhs and seeing so many people die from Covid pre vaccination. It’s a yes for Covid and flu vaccination from me.
I have stopped having them. The last one a year ago gave me palpitations for five hours and I almost landed in hospital
There were problems with the AstraZeneca vax but Pfizer and Moderna are used now. If you didn’t have an extreme reaction with your previous jabs I don’t see why you should suddenly have a problem unless you have the jab within six weeks of having Covid. When I had the first jab I was told that reactions tended to be greater in that time frame. And of course there is no way of knowing whether you are already brewing Covid at the time. I had the RSV yesterday (no reaction) but I am carefully spacing my jabs out which was fortunate as the nurse checked whether I had had or booked any other jabs the same day and was pleased when I hadn’t.
Having been rushed into hospital unconscious with Covid and pneumonia last year and then spending eleven days in there, I think I’d rather risk the vaccination than repeat that experience!
I have had all my Covid jabs and boosters, but didn’t prevent me getting it for first time in dec last year … had it for about 13 weeks and floored me, so everyone must take a view on their own situation but it doesn’t stop you catching it .. or the severity of symptoms …
well life is risk. My husband has been ill since last year's covid jab. He started 2 days after he had the vaccine, and now diagnosed with organising pneumonia. Co incidence ? Who knows.
He was knocked off his bike on 18 July and has multiple fractures needing surgery
We both have COVID ATM - the plumber who has been fitting a new shower room for husband as he can't get over the bath because of his injuries. announced his wife was testing positive for COVID and said plumber thought maybe he had it too as not feeling too well but came anyway to fix the leak!!
So many risks everyday - and life too short to worry.
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My friend is recovering from Crytogenic Organising Pneumonia too. Her brain went on a peculiar journey.
Its very rare.
My understanding some of the antibiotics can cause it. Hers started after we all thought that she had the flu. She was given a course of antibiotics but she took only a few.
It was so not her not to be walking her 10-12 kms walk two days running. Where she got her energy from I couldn't figure at 80!
Very slim too slim she was told by some professional that she was overweight.
COP is caused by the lungs very inflamed at the endings and as the lungs and brain are connected, confusion develops.
Reading about it only STEROIDS heal. But research is trialling an antibiotic Clamy........
How did your husband recover? With steroids? Apparently it can return whilst reducing the dosage of meds.
The various senarios she believed would happen were so unrealistic that I feared something would 'kill' her before she could get her head straight.
Touch wood she is improving.
cheri JOY. 75. (NZ)
Husband treated with ever stronger antibiotics antibiotics to no avail of course. Eventual referral to a chest consultant end of 2023. Steroids. Warned might come back. It has come back. Consultant monitoring him. He's back on steroids. Recent COVID has aggravated the COP.
your message sounds very familiar. Thanks for reaching out to us x
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My understanding was that careful reduction of the steriods was the answer.
The dose is aligned with the persons weight. 6 weeks. Then 1/2 reduction at 6 weeks and then all going well weaned off steriods altogether.
Its a terrible afflicting disease. She has poor lungs in her genes but never smoked.
She gave me back her POA but husband said wait until she recovers and give it back.
Her and husband will look after my little JAZ in 10 days time whilst I am in JAPAN.
Another bath for JAZ and flea drops Advantage and then she, JAZ will good to go. Her husband loves my 11 year young mini schnauzer. He loves to take her for a walk whereas Bella is younger and bigger a rescue dog with a blue eye and a brown eye!
I pray that your hunny beats this COP disease. Just awful. And full reward to you for keeping him at home. These COP folk have a better chance of recuping at hme than hospital I read. Hats off to you and your family.
cherio JOY
I am in Permanent AF but a-symptomatic. I had my RSV vaccination yesterday. No apparent side effects so far at least not even a sore arm. I have my Covid and flu jabs booked for next month. I have had them together previously and plan to do so again. I was anti vaccines for years but in more recent years have decided to have them after getting a very bad case of shingles when I had refused the vaccine.
Hopefully, you got the two shingrix vaccines.
Thank you. I did although somewhat belatedly and when I had it the NHS was still giving the older one shot Zostavax not the newer two shot Shingrix which I was told was not available in England at the time although it is now the one the NHS give.
I would consult your GP regarding whether you are covered adequately with Zostavax.Shingrix is better for immunocompromised or immunodeficient elderly.
Thanks. I could ask but I’m not taken very seriously by the medics at my practice I feel. I don’t always comply with their suggested treatments. I still have PHN from the shingles outbreak nearly 6 years’ ago and don’t take medication for the pain as nothing they have suggested so far has made any difference and the other things they suggest I don’t want to try as they have too many possible side effects. Our local Pain Management Service can only suggest medication with no other options despite plenty of evidence that other things can help with chronic pain. I have tried a plethora of different things but remain hopeful that I will get through this eventually.
Very sorry you are one of the unfortunate who have post-herpetic neuralgia.I am very fortunate that my passion stopped quickly but I suffered two cornea transplants in my right eye as a result of shingles.
I will take whatever is suggested, by my medical team, to avoid another case of shingles.
Goodness. I am so sorry to hear your shingles experience. Shingles is certainly a virus not to be taken lightly. I will enquire about having Shingrix. It will be interesting to see what they say.
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I was told that you can get patches of hot chilli infusion which relieve the pain depending where you have the rash.
cherio JOY
Thank you for the suggestion. I have tried them but couldn’t stand it! To be honest, there isn’t much I haven’t tried but hopefully it will clear up at some point.
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I understand it is the nerve endings that get painful.
I nursed my 80s Mum through it but she had the rash of her tummy.
They say that it is not contagious but Mum got it through a lady at outdoor bowling who didn't realise she had it until later. Not chicken pox but the shingles.
I wonder as it is a pox those nurses like me in the 1960s lined up for a small pox jab, so we may be immune as it stops us from getting this monkey pox which is going about in the South Island. Does anyone know?
Oh dear - it's not nice.
But I'm not having the jabs (2).
cheri JOY
Sorry to hear your Mum had it. Mine is on my RH rib cage area front and back. If you have ever had chicken pox you have the virus in your system. It isn’t supposed to be contagious and I think it is more likely triggered by stress.
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Yes other diagnosis you need to be stressed to have shingles. In UK I talked to young folk who had friends having had it.
But I reckon it is contagious.
Nasty. You know if you were feeling down when you got yours. Something must ignite it in ones body.
Yes of course I have had it. The little tell tale scars tell the story.
I hope you regain smoothly your QOL back.
cheri JOY
Yes, I was definitely stressed. I was on holiday in Madeira, developed a chest infection which set my heart off, I was hospitalised on oxygen and harrsssed by the travel insurers every day telling me they weren’t going to pay. It was not funny!
I have had the covid boosters every time, but every time have had a reaction from my afib and last twice I felt bad for at least 5-6 weeks with the afib. Also the last time I had the booster on the Saturday morning snd on Tuesday I went down with covid snd then another few weeks of bad afib/tachycardia and it messed up my pacemaker which had been doing so well
Not sure if I will be having another covid jab but I will have the flu jab
Good luck to you whatever you decide
I am the same as you are, for first time as have had all the jabs so far, am really wondering whether the Covid jab is something i want again. I am defo not having the RSV one though, i believe we put too many chemicals into our bodies already, I will have the flu jab but will have to think carefully about m ore Covid ones. I had Covid anyway 2 winters ago,my husband caught it and he has COPD and heart failure so ws worse than me with my AF. We both say for months following we were tired and felt not 'normal' after omfectopm/
If i have Covid jab have made mine up will have Flu and Covid 2 weeks apart. but defo no RSV. too much and i never had heart problems in life until had Covid Jab. and April gone, in May had my worse ever AF attack, felt so bad thought i was dying. Coincidence ????
the virus is getting weaker and the symptoms milder. The vaccine is not protective and it is hypothetical to claim contracting the virus would have been worse without the vaccine. Continue to wear a mask for increased protection in crowded places. Wash hands frequently and never touch mouth with unclean hands.
They are all extremely dangerous.
I didn't have my last Covid vaccination as the last time I had a booster, 3 days later I was diagnosed with AF and had horrendous palpitations. I've also had Covid 3 times with and without the vaccination and there was no difference regarding the symptoms with or without the vaccination. I spoke to my cardiologist about this and he said that my heart did not present with any damage from Covid but he couldn't say "yes" or "no" to the fact that Covid or the vaccination could affect the heart. I have read that arrhythmia issues have increased by about 80% since Covid has been around. Only my thoughts and personal view. Good luck
I had the first 3 and was really ill with each. I will never have another Covid vax. I had AF for years, then had to have an emergency pacemaker fitted due to long pauses in heart beats. This happened after the 3rd vax.
No jabs, no covid, just a couple of average upper respiratory things over the past nearly five years.
Waaaay too little pre-launch and post-marketing testing, and waaaay too many recorded serious adverse reactions — including triggering and exacerbating afib.
And no, I don't live in a sealed box! Just invest in top quality food (at the expense of many 'luxuries') and generally look after myself.
Won't be touching any of the other jabs being pushed on the over-65s, either. I'd far rather see all the money being poured into these vax campaigns used to sort out the NHS basics. Anyone else thinks a 28-month wait (yes, two years, four months) for an echocardiogram is just a smidge too long?
But each absolutely to their own. I'm just thankful we do have the choice and — while we're very heavily coerced into compliance — we're not as yet under the cosh of a mandate.
I haven't had any of the covid vaccines and have persistant af. I wouldn't touch them with a proverbial barge pole! I know too many people who have had serious adverse reactions. Also on the afib forums there are so many people who never had heart problems until after having the jab. Covid has weakened and is now a mild illness.
Don't know where you get your info but let us know how severe your 1st case of covid is.Try to wear a n95 mask whenever near people indoors, as it is an aerosol virus that remains in the air for approx 3 hours.
Why would I want to wear a mask? You are also assuming that I haven't had covid. Covid has weakened and is now a mild illness. As to where I got my info - I'm 74 years old and know how to research...also have many friends who have had adverse, some serious, reactions.
I was given the AZ vaccine for my first covid one. My blood test for my liver done very close and before the AZ vaccine was administered was fine. A few weeks later I was under a liver consultant at the hospital having scans! I did manage to get myself back on track again with the help of my daughter who’s a nutritionist and some supplements and dietary advice she recommended . Funnily enough the AZ vaccine seemed to disappear afterwards. It affected my liver.
Sorry to hear that...glad youv'e been able to get back on track. Not surprised tho I have friends who have still ongoing issues and one who died just after her jab (heart) although the Docs won't accept it was the vax.
Hi
You obviously haven't read latest news on COVID.
In Europe a new variant has imerged.
I have never had COVID but I have had 8 jabs. The last July End 2024.
All I can say, as I have immunity problems and persistent AF rapid under control with BP.
I refuse the flu vaccine. Last flu last August 2023. The sample that I gave in showed Cocci and pneumonia. For that reason I was put on a 5 day Amozil.
Yes DiyChas and stays on surfaces for a long time as well.
cheri JOY
will be having my covid and flu vaccinations as usual. Have never had a bad reaction. Will also be booking for a shingles jab.
my cardiologist has said no more Covid vaccines for me!
I developed a fibs after my first and only bout with Covid last year. So yes, I am Defininitely going to get the Covid vaccine this fall!
I've had all the vaccines so far, and last time I went into persistent AF again 6 days later. It was my 2nd Pfizer booster, which the literature says only unusually leads to AF, but slightly more common after the 2nd dose. There may have been other factors instead of / as well as the vaccine. But I'm going to try and source the latest Novavax, which isn't mRNA - might have to get it privately.
Just seen your post. I say go for it! See my post below.
Thanks Hilly. How did you find where to get your vaccine?
I decided to err on the side of caution and have the non-mRNA vaccine ‘Novavax’. I had one at the end of April and my second on Friday. This was done privately. No side effects to speak of, hardly even a sore arm.
Thank you very much Hilly, I shall find the website. Was it easy to find a pharmacy doing the Novavax one when you got it done?
It was. We had to drive 40 minutes to the edge of Leeds but it was easy to find. I think all their centres do the Pfizer, Moderna and the Novavax. It’s good to have the choice. You get a short consultation first. We were very well looked after.
If you you are nervous from the reports you have read online, be confident of the millions of people who DON’T have a bad reaction. If you focus on posts, forums and “your uncle mike who was a medic in the army” you will be convinced MOST people are suffering.
Remember, most people don’t loudly announcing they had zero issues, they just go on about their daily lives.
I personally haven’t had the last two. I believe I developed AF after having the COVID jab. I had 5 of them. That’s just my personal opinion.
I think your reply is a little harsh - I was merely asking for people’s thoughts on having the vaccine based on their own experiences. And actually seeing as you mentioned it, my children did not have the whooping cough vaccine. When we asked our doctor about it he said he couldn’t advise. So my husband asked if his children had had it and he said no. This happened many years ago and things could have changed, but back then , the vaccine was based on the respiratory system of a mouse and bore no correlation to the human respiratory system. But you have your opinion, I have mine.
Sorry - I wrote it having just read something similar on a different forum that was strongly cynical of vaccines. My apologies!
Steve
Whooping cough is back due to vaccination hesitancy. I had the vaccine as an adult while working as a nurse anesthetist in NY. We had to take all vaccines to work in hospital. In 1960 they even gave nursing student applicants- me- the typhoid vaccine.
I had 3 of the original covid shots. NEVER AGAIN!
I phoned our local (UK) pharmacy yesterday and was told that
--nationally, the roll-out for UK pharmacies to give the flu jab will not start until next week 3rd October,
--there is no date yet for the latest covid jab.
Last year I had them both at the same time (different arms) with no effect.
I think brain washed rather than straight thinking is the term I would use for your attitude towards vaccines. There are many doctors and scientists who have produced sound scientific criticisms of the latest mRNA vaccines and also older ones . There are also statisticians who have demolished the " safe and effective " mantra so often repeated for the covid vaccines using data from national registries that is now becoming more available. But your mind is closed to alternative opinions. Just recently an eminent vaccinologist in the US came out and said that most vaccines on the childhood vaccination schedule there had not been properly tested ( unfortunately I cannot remember his name and I did not bookmark the article that quoted him). I find it rather insulting that you are including myself and cdreamer and many others on this forum as among those whose brains have liquified.
Perhaps the word "sorry" isn't sufficient, A? But I will not accept that I am brain washed. I read widely from all sources and draw my conclusions as you do. I do have two friends who are trained in virology, one a consultant and the other a Cambridge geneticist. I do have to admit to being swayed by their views and by the studies they send my way. To call either of them brainwashed would be pure folly.
I did not refer to either you or CDreamer in that way, and never would. I was referring more to those who, like my brother, shoot down anyone who attempts to support the status quo. I could have been clearer and I have apologised twice.
The matter of vaccinations is something I know you feel strongly about, as do I. It's my strongly held view that many children are now being put at risk or are suffering because parents are put off having them vaccinated thanks to their needless fears from online scurrilousness and misinformation. My own niece and her daughter are two such. Their children are unprotected from most of the childhood illnesses that we once considered no longer a problem.
Steve
They are not entirely unwarranted fears. If you were to read about the history of vaccination you would see that there have been right from the beginning starting with Jenner (who was actually a charlatan) many cases where vaccines have harmed people including children and had to be withdrawn. Even recently the decision by the WHO to withdraw one of the polio strains from the oral polio vaccines used in most developing countries has resulted in polio cases that are caused by the vaccine . The live but weakened virus is shed in faeces and then sometimes mutates to be more virulent . Many children have been paralysed in this way and there are now admissions that the piolicy has been a failure.
There is plenty of research on the Gardasil vaccine that shows that in countries where it has been used for several years it has simply caused more infection by strains of HPV not included in the vaccine leading to an increase of pre cancerous lesions. This is one of the worst vaccines being pushed by health bodies as deaths from cervical cancer had reduced greatly due to the success of cervical screening programs and the side effects can be very serious. Not all vaccine sceptical information can be classified as misinformation. What is needed is more transparency about all pharmeceuticals. And you are not going to get that with the enormous sums of money involved in pushing ever increasing vaccines on the population.
I can't disagree with any of that, A. I have read quite widely on vaccines and their history and feel that human incompetence, lack of checks and balances and, of course, capitalist needs (greed?) all combine to create problems on occasions - but not so very often.
What I feel also is happening is that the internet and social media have opened up a Pandora's Box, especially regarding the "monetisation" of online content and the use of "clickbait". Add to that the clear issues over "peer reviewing" that have surfaced and, well, knowing what is what is getting far more difficult.
Transparency within a capitalist environment is a pipe dream, I suppose. I used to hope that a way could be found for all key pharmaceutical research to be freed from private interests but that is my idealistic side and would likely still not succeed.
I am still more trusting of regulatory authorities than you. That's me. You might call me naive, but I have dealt with them a little and have reasons and a long experience to think otherwise.
Steve
Well Steve
I wouldn't have any vaccine done by a chemist.
I go to the hospital or nursing station. There you can be sure of getting the right vaccine let alone the 'other' re conversation.
In the South Island NZ ekderly folks were dying after the 'vaccine' COVID in a circle of operating Chemists.
An investigation was carried out.
These Chemist were giving these people 'children's vaccines for diseases of early life' and not the COVID jab at all!.
Now all Chemist staff need certification to carry out their role.
Checking on me in 2020 for measles as tere was an outbreak in Auckland and I was being lined up for RAI reatment after my thyroidectomy Feb. I remain with plenty of protection.
But the Hep B first injection proved that I was slightly immuned (from my sample of blood as a donor A RH-). I got it again and I was working UK at the time. Returning NZ just after I brought it up with my cousin who was then Health Minister. He said that the jab coincided with contracting Hep B. I know better .. synthetic or live within 2 hours of the jab I was delirious, shivering and sore head - more than a headache. A few days later my blood test showed Hep B antigens.
I will get tested first. Is this is what is happening to us - we are already immuned?
Synthetic thyroxine works in that it replaces natural body made thyroxine so my theory is so do vaccines. Al our vaccines used to contain some live component.
cherio Joy. 75. (NZ)
I suspect there have been unusual and rare serious side effects. My brother thinks they are anything but rare and claims to know many sufferers. That's odd as we don't know of any except one, a friend's daughter whose kidney failure might just have been caused by a booster but she did already have badly treated "long covid" so who knows? Another friend came down with polymyalgia, but, again had also had a bad dose of covid as well as the booster.
It's between the devil and the deep blue sea for those who want to risk being unvaccinated, I would say. They think they are safe, of course, and it's true that the chances are high they will get off scot free, but the risks of covid itself far outweigh those of the vaccine (unless some big revelation lies around the corner!).
I had a pharmacist administer one of my jabs. I think intra-muscular jabs don't require a doctor to give them although what happened in New Zealand sounds mightily strange! There are some who claim the covid jab might accidentally get into a vein and trouble would lie ahead, but, like other conspiracy-type theories, it doesn't seem borne out in practice. Time will tell!
Steve
Hi
The Hep B vax reaction explanation from my cousin did not sit well with me.
I'm wary.
The 2nd COVID gave me a red and itchy to sore RASH. Antibiotics were given.
The 8th 3rd and 4th days counting the day gave my heart jolts. But I had diagnosed UTI which was not medicated until day 7. And that also stopped the mild vertigo.
??? to more jabs. Take antibiotic before and after.
Only wished that the jolts didn't put my heart v=back to normal
cheri o JOY
Europe has a new variant and its gaining momentem.
Good Afternoon, Personally I am very wary of having another Covid vaccine. If you rad my bio you will appreciate why. The very fact that they still investigating the efficiency of the vaccines is of concern even now since they have been rolled out for many years.
Kind regards
I have had all of mine so far and last year had flu and COVID on same day. No side effects at all. However had b/p taken by pharmacist about a month later when picking up meds ( inhaler and lansoprazole) and he suggested quick check just because I hadn’t had it taken for a long time. B/P was borderline high which was very unusual for me as it’s always been very low. It remained high for about a month.
In January I then had a pulmonary embolism and in February my first episode of PAF . Had been on Apixaban since the PE and remain on it and am waiting for cardio appointment ( got monitor on today and have had echo)
I now feel very reluctant to accept my invitation to have vaccines.
I know it may all be coincidental but feel nervous none the less.
Never had either COVID or flu and never was vaccinated for flu until pandemic came.
Will talk to cardiologist at my appointment in October.
It’s a difficult one isn’t it.
I have decided I’m not having anymore boosters or anything. I’m not saying it is the cause, but I was in perfectly good health I hadn’t needed to see a doctor in maybe 10yrs I didn’t take any medication at all. Then after the vaccinations I totally went down hill. I had a heart attack followed by a kidney removed due to cancer. Then this year I was taken into hospital in Spain where I was diagnosed with AF, It could all be coincidental but it does make me wonder, but that answer I will never know and neither will anyone else.
After the first two covid shots, I started to have afib & pvc's, eventually had to have a ablation which fixed the afib but still had pvc's. The pvc's slowly started to be less & less. That was 2021 when I got the shot and 2022 when I had the ablation. Was taken off all meds 3 months after the ablation, I was 65 at the time & in good health & was pretty active. Two friends of mine, one the same age the other 5yrs younger, all healthy and in good shape both went through the same thing after they got the shot and are both doing good after their ablation. The one thing we all had in common was we had the pfizer vaccine. I have not taken any boosters or flu shots since 2021 and have been doing fine since. My brother in law never got the vaccine & has had covid twice with minor aches and a cough but no issues and is 2yrs older than me. another friend who turned 80 this year hasn't had a flu shot since he was in the army back in the late 60's, never got the vaccine , never got covid & hasn't had any flu symptoms for years & is doing fine, so when it comes to getting flu or booster shots I leave that up to being a personal choice, for me I choose not to. I do make sure I eat healthy and stay away from as much prosses food as possible, I get a physical twice a year at the VA and always have blood work to make sure Iam not lacking any vitamins or minerals that would have a affect on my immune system. I also look at it this way, we are all going to leave this world one day, it doesn't matter if you have all the shot's the world has to offer or not, what's important is living for today and my strong relationship with GOD almighty. Hope this has been helpful, May You Have A Blessed Day....
I wouldn't, but that's just me. When I heard that the vax could cause clots I have shunned them.
I dont think anyone would take it serious, talking about growing an extra leg, and all straight thinking people wouldnt just take a vaccine blindly, to call someone an evil anti vaxxer, is , well , what can i say, you seem to be able to gaurantee that no one will have a bad reaction.
That was meant rather tongue in cheek, Tom. I take your point and repeat my apology.
Steve
Sorry Ppiman i overlooked some of the posts and didnt see your apology, as someone who doesnt take any vaccines and to think someone would refer to me as an evil anti vaxxer , well it doesnt go down too well, i know you werent been personal, as im sure you know the whole vaccine thing has become rather contentious since the pandemic, i try to refrain from commenting too much on the subject in this forum now , because its so easy to be drawn into an anti /pro match, have a good day.
There are many things I did to protect myself that I based on evidence from doctors who researched pro and con vaccines. These are right in our pharmacies: vitamin D ongoing; if I start to feel "off", vit C, zinc & quercetin, oil of oregano, nasal rinse if stuffy. Having that on hand has given me a lot more peace of mind than getting more Pfizers.
I have had I think 4 covid vaccinations. After a booster shot I nearly fainted several hours laters. .at same time heart stopped for 6 seconds. Drs. said a coincidence..or maybe stressed heart but still safe..I had pauses before but never that long so I finally succombed to a pacemaker. To this day I am not sure if vaccine caused it or stressed heart or a coincidence. What is done is done. So now I have it in a hospital and sit for a while hoping I am okey. I had the flu shot and will go back for the cover shot..Didnt want to do both together..Its an individual thing. I still had covid twice. first time worse than second which was much milder. Better be safe than sorry even tho not a death sentnce anymore I am told.
Hi Lakky, im at the tail end of a terrible flu , virus, covid , call it what you may, going on 10-12 weeks, was a really bad dose, never had any flu or covid jabs and never will, my partner worked in a small outpatients hospital/clinic and every year when the flu jab came around none of the nurses would ever take it , but you have to decide for yourself after you cobble together all the conflicting stories and advice.
According to an article I saw online (BBC) 3 vaccines will be offered this year in the UK, Phizer, Moderner and Sanofi, . The latter is non MRNA. The problem is that vaccination centres don't seem know which vaccine they are getting until it arrives. Maybe worth asking before you book though if you've had problems with the MRNA ones?
I am not having anymore personally as I had 5 so far and still caught Covid. The covid was not that bad just left me a bit tired but still took 3 weeks to get a negative test. Ignore the horror stories and go for a proper informed decision. I will certainly be having my flu jab next month but having just had an ablation 3 weeks ago not bothered about the covid one.
What a rude post Steve I'm really surprised at you. I guess you know that name calling isn't allowed on this forum? I suggest you either delete your post or make some changes. Please allow everyone to have an opinion even it you don't agree with it.
Jean - I feel very much that you have read my post wrongly as I was making a general point and certainly not "name calling". My wife and son have both read the thread and my post and neither can come to the conclusion you have. No part of my post is name calling of anyone on this forum or rude to anyone, so far as I or they can see.
But, since you are offended, and because it can hard to read a post in the same way as others, and because, of course, I respect you a very great deal, I have deleted the post.
Steve
Thank you Steve.
I can understand people do not want to contract flu, Covid or whatever, but considering the number and issues folks have had that have accepted these "shots", I wouldn't take any of them. I personally know 3 people that had big time issues after these shots, one died (aged 42)
I haven't had ANY vacccinations since 1982 and somehow I am magically alive. Did I get the flu now and again, yes, but ... I'm OK. And I don't have to worry that Vax "A" might interfere or cause issues in conjunction with Vax "B."
My wife and I rarely get flu or anything which we ascribe to our Zinc, vitamin "D" and other herbs/vitamin regimen. Plus, my doctor says I have some of the healthiest lookin blood he's seen according to my blood panels. Just saying.
We have a small social circle but everybody we know has been vaccinated against covid several times. Nobody has reported an immediate adverse reaction though my daughter seems to get far more bugs than she used to and takes far longer to recover from them. But all the people we know who have had the jabs have caught covid after having them- some several times. My husband who is 80 now has never been jabbed and I had one J&J jab in Aug21. I think he had covid in Dec 2019 . As far as I know I have never had it. We take vit D ,vit C, NAC and zinc , eat healthily and I spend a lot of timeout in the garden working 2/3 hours and actively sunbathing for about 45mins. I believe firmly in the healing power of sunlight.
I got the newest reconfigured covid vaccine last week. I never had any issues with adverse effects. I had an ablation in April for paf and did have occasional ectopics and apc after asthma meds. However I had a couple of days of palpitations after the vaccine not afib but annoying. Indeed the covid vaccine can cause heart arhythmias I read in the medical literature. For 3 days I took extra magnesium 200mg 2x day and the stopped it for hours. Today everything is normal.
So heart rhythm is an issue dear to our hearts and something to be aware of with this vaccine - and asthma inhalers.
Thanks to or this - this is my concern. Glad to know you are ok.
Hi
I wonder if it will go the other way and attempt to get me well, and off persistent aF.
I, too, had 'flops' 3 ... 2 on day 3 and 1 on day 4. BUT because in the same day was diagnosed by nurse to have UTI which Dr did not see .. it was a further 6 days before I started on amazil-Clav. It surely stopped my mild vertigo.
Having persistent AF from diagnosis, the flops were 'shocks' to my usually quiet forbearing system. Never any systems.
I've had 8 jabs. Whether to have a 9th not sure. My naturalist Chemist says risks if you have jabs or risks of COVID if you don't.
My further decision will come in later in end January after my touring away from home.
Life never makes it easy.
cheri JOY
I have Afib and I will never get another Covid shot, I had the first two and I’ve heard of so many people with horrible side effects since then
My friend almost died earlier this year from covid. She filled with clots, her heart was enlarged and she needed oxygen.
I've had them all and will continue to do so. I look after my 89 year old mum. And I'm hypothyroid as well as AF. I'm doing all I can to keep us safe. I've never had more than a day of tiredness after a vaccine or booster. Be that flu or Covid. I do draw the line at having both of them together though and leave a couple of weeks between them.
hi
I prefer to put up with Covid now. My last booster left me with Arrythmia within a day of being jabbed and then a hospital admission.
Paul
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