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COVID and AF (some new research)

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I know were all having a bad time with a mixture of AF and the worry of COVID, we've all come a long way and managed to deal with it all to a point. I am however the bearer of what seems to be bad news and think it's only right to share this even though it makes uncomfortable reading, for that I apologise.

It seems we AF sufferers need to take more care than maybe we previously thought when it comes to COVID....

Here is a link and I have also copied and pasted the full article below as I don't know who has permission to access this without signing up to Medscape..

Vaccines are so close for a lot of us and some are already there, please keep safe..

medscape.com/viewarticle/94...

"Jan 27th 2021

AF at COVID-19 Admission Predicts Mortality, Demands Vigilance:

Short-term mortality climbs sharply for patients hospitalized with COVID-19 found to have atrial fibrillation (AF), especially new-onset AF, which, as a predictor of poor early outcomes, points to a need for more aggressive management, observe researchers from two separate studies.

In one report, based on the experience of a 13-hospital healthcare system in the early months of the pandemic, one in nine patients hospitalized with COVID-19 developed new-onset AF. In a propensity-matched analysis, in-hospital mortality jumped 56% in patients with new AF, independent of other risk markers, including some reflecting inflammation. The risk for such patients with any AF, compared with those without any form of AF, rose almost as high.

The findings peg AF as a marker of severe systemic disease that could be added to the list of clinical signs used to assess risk in patients hospitalized with COVID-19, Stavros E. Mountantonakis, MD, Northwell Health, New York City, told theheart.org | Medscape Cardiology.

For patients who present to the emergency department with new-onset AF, the arrhythmia can be used in risk stratification — along with other tests, such as CT or C-reactive protein (CRP) or fibrinogen assays—"to get an idea of how advanced the COVID is and, based on that, decide on admission or not," he said.

Given the insight that AF is an independent predictor of in-hospital mortality, "I would probably consider such patients high risk," said Mountantonakis, who is lead author on the study's publication January 22 in Heart Rhythm.

In the other study, about 10% of all patients admitted with COVID-19 at a major urban medical center and an affiliated community hospital in March 2020 also had "newly detected" atrial arrhythmias, that is, AF or atrial flutter or atrial tachycardia (AFT). In adjusted analysis, the risk for death within 30 days doubled in patients with any AF, went up almost as much in those with AF or AFT, and nearly tripled in patients with new-onset AF or AFT.

"In our series, patients who developed atrial fibrillation also had higher troponin levels, so there are definitely different markers that one can use," Jim W. Cheung, MD, Weill Cornell Medical College, New York City, told theheart.org | Medscape Cardiology.

"I think atrial fib is probably another marker that one needs to take into account in case the other markers of disease severity have not shown up yet. A patient one thinks is doing fine now who develops atrial fib may warrant more aggressive monitoring or therapy," said Cheung, senior author on the study's publication December 20 in the Journal of Cardiovascular Electrophysiology.

A common thread in both published studies, he said, is what appears to be an independent association between AF and mortality in patients hospitalized with COVID-19 "that probably provides incremental benefit with respect to prognostication and risk stratification."

Anticoagulation practices in COVID-19, which can cause with thrombotic complications, tend to vary, with some groups — said Cheung, citing data from early in the pandemic — holding that admitted patients "should get anticoagulation from the get-go." However, he added, "subsequent studies did not support that."

Now, however, for patients presenting to the emergency department with COVID-19 who are found to have AF, he said, "the threshold should be very, very low for instituting anticoagulation."

In such cases, "we have to treat atrial fib aggressively early on, to be very meticulous with anticoagulation and maintaining sinus rhythm," Mountantonakis agreed. Its presence might even be used to guide the selective use of monoclonal-antibody and steroid-based treatments, he said.

Most AF Was New-Onset

Mountantonakis and colleagues identified 9564 patients in a single regional health system who were admitted with COVID-19 during March and April of 2020, of whom 17.6% were found to have AF. About two-thirds of that subgroup had new-onset AF and the remainder had a history of AF; they totaled 1109 and 578 patients, respectively.

Those found with AF during the admission were sicker than those without AF; 37.5% and 15.9%, respectively (P < .0001), ultimately required mechanical ventilation.

In a comparison of patients with and without AF during hospitalization among 1238 propensity-matched pairs derived from the overall cohort, 54% and 37.2%, respectively (P < .0001), died during the admission, for an in-hospital mortality relative risk (RR) of 1.46 (95% CI, 1.34 - 1.59).

In a similar analysis of 500 propensity-matched pairs of patients with new-onset AF vs a history of AF, 55.2% and 46.8%, respectively (P = .009), died during the admission; the in-hospital mortality RR was 1.18 (95% CI, 1.04 - 1.33).

And, in-hospital mortality was 56.1% for patients with new-onset AF vs 36% (P < .0001) for those without current or previous AF in 1107 propensity-matched pairs derived from the overall cohort, for an RR of 1.56 (95% CI, 1.42 - 1.71).

Atrial Fib or Atrial Flutter/Tachycardia

The study from Cheung and associates comprised 1053 patients admitted with severe COVID-19, of whom 15.8% also had AF or AFT; 14.6% of the cohort had AF and 3.8% had AFT. Either AF or AFT was seen for the first time in 9.6%

Complications during hospitalization were more frequent in the patients with AF or AFT compared to those without either atrial arrhythmia, including more than twice the amount of respiratory failure requiring mechanical ventilation (60% vs 25.3%, P < .001) and bacteremia (16.9% vs 8.1%, P < .001), and a higher rate of cerebrovascular events (6.0% vs 0.9%, P < .001) and death (39.2% vs 13.4%, P < .001). And 60.2% of those with AF or AFT went to the intensive care unit, compared to 28.1% of those without atrial arrhythmias (P < .001).

The adjusted odds ratio (OR) for 30-day mortality was:

2.16 (95% CI, 1.33 - 3.52) for those with AF (P = .002)

1.93 (95% CI, 1.20 - 3.11) for those with AF or AFT (P = .007)

2.87 (95% CI, 1.74 - 4.74) for those with newly detected AF or AFT (P < .001)

Now, after a lot more experience almost a year into the pandemic, Mountantonakis said in an interview, the detection of AF in patients presenting to his center with COVID-19 "triggers a higher level of diagnostic and therapeutic effort."

Such a patient would probably always be admitted, and "even if his oxygenation is okay, we would keep him in the hospital or escalate to telemetry, and maybe send a patient with AF and fever to an ICU," he said. Anticoagulation and ideally rhythm-control therapy would be instituted as early as feasible to maintain sinus rhythm "as much as we can."

Mountantonakis and his coauthors "have no conflicts to disclose." Cheung discloses receiving consulting fees from Abbott, Biosense Webster, Biotronik, and Boston Scientific; and fellowship grant support from Abbott, Biosense Webster, Biotronik, Boston Scientific, and Medtronic. Disclosures for Cheung's coauthors are in their report.

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Buffafly profile image
Buffafly

How is that helpful?

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xr1450 in reply toBuffafly

How is it not?.......Did you already know exactly how much of a SERIOUS risk AF is with COVID? If so could you please give me a link to that information, because I haven't seen it. As a matter of fact according to my GP AF doesn't even get you up there to get the vaccine before your normal age entitlement!

Personally I would rather know this information than not..

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Elli86 in reply toxr1450

I was a bit unsure either way in regards to the danger level of covid for us AF sufferers but after reading this it’s pretty evident it’s not going to go well if we do catch it. I can understand both sides of the argument but for me personally I would much rather know the facts. I’d personally rather be well informed be it good or bad news.

Thanks for the post 👍 I’ll do some more digging now

Definitely unsettling, especially as I’m new onset AF but I’d rather be informed than not. If I do start to get on the mend I think this will now prevent me risking work again. Watch this space

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bantam12

I think this has already been posted 🤔

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xr1450 in reply tobantam12

Well, you could maybe show me where that is exactly, I looked and didn't see it.

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bantam12 in reply toxr1450

Here it is

healthunlocked.com/afassoci...

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xr1450 in reply tobantam12

Thanks, I totally missed that.

I think most of us on this forum and elsewhere know that we cannot effectively change Covid nor can we magic away AF so I personally cannot see the point of potentially making scared, vulnerable people more scared than they already are. I cannot believe that people on this forum are not already doing everything they can to keep themselves safe.

Just expressing a personal view.

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mrgwair567 in reply to

Hear! Hear!

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Windlepoons in reply to

Well said. Having qualified in a lot of natural therapy modalities, may I just say that fear does detrimentally affect the efficacy of the immune system. That may be a bit woo woo for this forum, so apologies if folks think I'm barmy, but I would advise staying out of the level of fear that the current situation has produced. If you are the sort of person that gravitates in that direction then maybe avoid watching to much main stream new programming. Go into your happy place. Take up new hobbies, read uplifting books. Do whatever it takes to keep feeling calm and happy with your lot in life. This might be the most important gift you can give to your immune system. Onward and upwards folks.😘

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CloudRunner in reply toWindlepoons

“That may be a bit woo woo”

Surely you mean “a bit wu wai”?😉

Not at all barmy Windlespoons, good advice. You are leaning against an open door with some of us🧘🏻‍♂️

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Windlepoons in reply toCloudRunner

I had to look that up! Its meaning is perfect. Thank you. ☺️

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CloudRunner in reply toWindlepoons

🙏🏻

I knew that my fascination with quantum mechanics would come in useful one day👍.....and yes, there is a link😎

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Windlepoons in reply toCloudRunner

Mm there certainly is. Nothing is unconnected.🤔

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mrgwair567 in reply toWindlepoons

Well said !

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Morzine in reply to

I agree with you totally flapjack.We can’t change what’s ahead. We have AFib and we try our best to not get covid....It is scary as I know from my point of view if I get covid the most dangerous thing for me will be my mind, worrying that it will get worse.......the waiting feeling ill and wondering to see if you’re getting better or going downhill will stress me out masses and stress is my AFIB trigger......I can’t see this is a help at all, as you can hardly go into hospital and get this report out and say hey look at this....you trust they no best. Your life is in their hands.Anyway thanks my view on things, main thing is we try to keep this wolf at bay

Sue

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kalgs in reply to

Absolutely agree . Some people find it entertaining.

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Challiefan in reply to

Understood, but I'd far rather be informed. e.g. This knowledge makes me more determined to keep working from home, rather than go into work where I would be at heightened risk. I was thinking of going back. Now I'm not. That can only be a good thing.

Additionally, I need to know what the enemy has ranged against me if I'm to fight it effectively. A soldier always tries to know what he's facing in battle. He runs risks if he doesn't.

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I don’t disagree with the principle Challiefan but I’m not sure the post does much to define or inform anyone of the risk, it focuses more on the process of treatment and generally, that’s something the patient in hospital has little or no control over. Mitigating the risk is simple, keep away from people, don’t touch anything and keep clean but we all know life for many isn’t that simple. That said, I honestly cannot believe that anyone on this forum is not aware of what they need to do to keep them as safe as possible. Of course everyone has the right to say whatever they like on the basis they believe it to be helpful but it’s also important to consider the profile of the vast majority of folk who use this forum. I’m only offering my opinion that many would find it alarming particularly as they are probably unable to change or improve on what they are already doing. As I said, it’s just my personal view.......

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doodle68 in reply toChalliefan

Hi Challiefan 🙂 I agree and I too like to be as well informed as I possibly can about my condition and anything that might affect it, that way I can make Informed choices...

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jeanjeannie50

Thank you for posting, forewarned is forearmed. We must stay at home and only go out for exercise (away from others), to purchase food and for medical reasons. Sadly we must not mix with family either, tempting though that is. Of course we all know that don't we!!!

The number of people catching covid is still high and I can't help but wonder why that is. Birmingham appears to have the highest weekly numbers of thousands catching covid, this is the case week after week and I can't help but wonder why that is.

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Auriculaire in reply tojeanjeannie50

I have just had an email from my ex GP in Birmingham who was a personal friend and who I keep in touch with regularly. Both her husband and son ( who is only in his early 30s!!) are in ICU with covid. She has teated positive but feels OK. Naturally she is very scared.

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jeanjeannie50 in reply toAuriculaire

Oh how awful. It really makes you aware how serious this covid is when someone you know has it bad, doesn't it!

Really hope they both recover. Can understand Mother/wife being scared. It's a living nightmare for her.

I see today that Birmingham has had 4,713 positive covid tests in the week which ended 28th January. The nearest to that is then Liverpool with 1,935. I can't understand why everyone in the UK is not talking about Birmingham!

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Auriculaire in reply tojeanjeannie50

My last remaining aunt died of covid last week. She was 87 though and had advanced Alzheimers . My cousins had been forced to find a home for her in Dec as her symptoms had deteriorated a lot and the care she was receiving at home was no longer enough. Despite being isolated in the home she still caught it. They thought she was getting better as she was not very symptomatic but had a sudden chute in her oxygen levels. I think with these new more transmissable variants people need to be even more vigilant and maybe that message isn't getting through. It certainly seems so when you read about the police breaking up large parties and weddings.

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jeanjeannie50 in reply toAuriculaire

Sorry to hear about your aunt and I certainly agree that these new covid variants are of great concern.

Young people appear to think that they wont get covid and of course there's that magnetic pull towards finding a partner for sex. I must admit I feel a bit sorry for them and can understand why they want to get out and about again, but unfortunately it's just not possible right now.

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meadfoot

Thank you for highlighting this always good to see various medical opinions and research. Stay safe.

Thank you for putting up the full text.

It’s an important reminder to us all that we, like other vulnerable groups, must take extra care to protect ourselves at this time, and to have the vaccine.

It’s also very reassuring, as described in the monogram above, that the medics will be taking extra care with us because of our AF, if we are admitted to hospital because of COVID-19.

We must never be the arbiters of who should and should not receive information relevant to themselves. To think otherwise, is in my opinion patronising, condescending and potentially dangerous.

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Buffafly in reply to

I prefer to have information I’ve asked for if it’s bad news .......

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Buffafly

Poor people, including ethnic minorities, tend to live in overcrowded conditions. It has been shown that the most dangerous place for catching the virus is your own home particularly when two or more generations are sharing the space and self isolation is impossible. Also people in poorly paid insecure work don’t stay at home when they are ill.

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meadfoot

I had to smile, John, in a nice way. As a lass from the north of England, born and bred, its decades since the vast majority of us lived in such close proximity to each other and were in and out of each others houses. Those days are long gone, brought about by societal mobility and the end of mining communities and tiny terraced homes built for workers near factories.

Now a vast proportion of us tend to live in lovely leafy suburban houses, go to university and earn a good living. Cant speak for other counties but can speak for Gods own county, Yorkshire. Of course a few remain in tiny pockets but the are the minority overall. We have come along way in the frozen north these past decades, lol.

Yes i know you weren't meaning anything derogatory by your comments, it just amused me, nothing more, no offence meant or taken i trust.

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kkatz in reply tomeadfoot

As a northener myself. born in County Durham & living in Leeds I do despise the often held derogatory view of northerners. I know this is not the case with this post. But yes I agree with both Buffafly & Meadfoot.I am one of the lucky ones.I am one of the lucky ones.Moderate income,semi in a good area but I see so much poverty, poor & overcrowded areas all around.But sadly I think we are all in the same danger & equally some are careful ,some are not.

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Maggimunro in reply tomeadfoot

Hi Meadfoot , your post made me smile. As a fellow Yorkshire lass born and bred , I heartily concur with you. Post war I was born in a “back to back house” but left home to get two university degrees, worked in the NHS for 25 years but have lived for the last 30+ years in an extremely pleasant, leafy green suburb.

The rows of terrace houses are still there but in some areas are quite sought after and trendy. In other areas, they are sadly multigenerational homes and a virtual petri dish for passing infection.

There is still a great social divide and this is seen most markedly in any large city anywhere in the world.

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Peony4575

I think that’s a snapshot from the 1950,s John. We now have electricity up North and everything

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Ianp66 in reply toPeony4575

Living in County Durham I can confirm we even have electricity and running water now.... Who knew 🙋🤣

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Peony4575 in reply toIanp66

Hats off to Yorkshire leading the way in take up of vaccines nationwide . They must have stopped chatting on street corners long enough to watch the news and get themselves along to their vaccine centres in their horse and carts, exercise their social responsibility and earn a pat on the back from the PM. Well done them ! And yes I do take umbrage if anyone disrespects the North

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Ianp66 in reply toPeony4575

Flat cap duly dothed 😉

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Ianp66 in reply toPeony4575

Me too, it's a southern thing, we know though 😉

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Fibber222

I think most of us af sufferers take special care. I admit that I tend to worry anyway and I think to read articles like this is enough to cause more anxiety in us and may be instrumental in encouraging af episodes. For some it may be helpful but but for others it may not be the reverse.

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Fibber222

Sorry ‘it may be the reverse’

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Windlepoons

Actually John, you are quite right about Birmingham. As an ex Brummie who lived in terraced council houses in the inner city, I can confirm that the majority of those types of house where I lived as still there. It may be sixty decades ago that I was born but it's not radically changed housing wise.

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doodle68

Thank you xr1450, I hadn't seen the previous posting :-) . I like to be as well informed as I possibly can about my condition and anything that might affect it, that way I can make Informed choices...

I hope you don't mind my posting this more detailed account of the study mentioned in the article for anyone who is interested..

heartrhythmjournal.com/arti...

I have been in voluntary self isolation since late February last year and feel that the seriousness of AF has not been taken into consideration by some in the context of catching C19.

AFs are not on the list of 'extremely vulnerable' although age alone confers a degree of vulnerability and special considerations .

My long symptomatic episodes of P-AF with a high heart rate and level of breathlessness lead me to believe I couldn't cope with any additional breathlessness from C19 .

I have Flecainide sitting on my shelf which I dare not take because my Doctor has said I must go to A&E if the first dose causes a reaction and I fear catching C19 in my local A&E where others have caught it and died. So I am waiting for vaccination due next week before taking the Flecainide.

The article and the study confirm that I am right to be have been so cautious and wise to stick to my self isolation.

'Forewarned is forearmed ' as they say

🙂

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xr1450 in reply todoodle68

I total agree doodle. I'm finding it difficult to figure out why one or two on here have been so dismissive of this information.

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