Are there any diet choices or supplements which help ?

[Tinkudi]

Are there any particular diets like whole food plant based or low carb etc which affect prostate cancer progression ? Is Dairy ok ?

Also , any supplements which might be useful like Lycopene etc ?

Any studies ?

Thanks 😊🙏🏻

[KocoPr]

in the link below is a search on health unlocked. It is a very good search engine for this site. You should also the “Filter Results “ tab as it will easily filter out unnecessary results.

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[Tinkudi in reply to KocoPr]

Thank you 😊

[KocoPr in reply to Tinkudi]

Your welcome as you can see we have beat that subject to death.

[smroush]

You might also check out the site nutritionfacts.org/ and search that site for "prostate".

[Anthonyve]

Hi,

Yes!

There’s good evidence that cruciferous vegetables, plenty of soy products, (soy milk, tofu, etc) and ground flax meal (at least two to three tablespoons/day), slows the progress.

Dr Michael Gregor (Nutritionfacts.org) describes an experiment in Australia, where researchers worked with a baker to produce two lines of bread, one with soy and one without.

This allowed a controlled experiment.

Although the no of participants was low, the results were significant. In some cases PSA actually went down in the group taking soy.

Nutritionfacts.org has a video so if search about a bit, you should be able to find it ok. Let me know if you can’t.

Hope that helps.

Cheers,

Anthony

[London441]

Thoroughly agree with Moonrocket. Enjoy your food. I’m sure you already eat plenty of vegetables and limit sugar, avoid processed foods get enough protein etc, just the common sense things like that. Exercise has a far greater role than diet in maintaining health and slowing progression.

As he said, plenty of exercise also usually positively influences your food choices, and synergies with those choices optimally.

[Tinkudi in reply to London441]

You think dairy is ok to have. Some say it fuels cancer growth ?

[London441 in reply to Tinkudi]

Some say that, some say a lot of things. Knowing how to interpret studies and data helps if you want to have a better chance at the truth. There are many studies with extremely flawed and inaccurate data.

Some will tell you dairy fuels Pca. Some say eggs, some say corn, some say alcohol etc etc. There’s data to support all of it, and much of it is pseudoscience or outright nonsense.

In the end It’s up to us to decide for ourselves and hopefully no be swayed by everything we read, see on YouTube videos etc.

I stick to what I consider a small number of well researched dietary choices to avoid for the most part. Dairy is certainly not one of them. I want within reason to enjoy my food! We are alive for such a very short time, and longevity for its own sake is highly overrated anyway. Just ask the average 90 year old.

I also personally feel that simply eating too much food combined with not exercising is the prime threat to health in modern western societies, far more than particular food choices per se. Strictly my opinion!

[Nomiskneh]

Dear Tinkudi,

See below for some recent promising info om plant based diets.

pcf.org/c/eat-your-beans-an...

urotoday.com/video-lectures...

Wish you the best,

Henk

[RMontana]

see if this works. I have posted this link a few times and follow this regime. Good luck. Rick

healthunlocked.com/advanced...

[MarkS]

Very much so, see this link "Does Diet Affect Progression Risk After Prostate Cancer?" :

medscape.com/viewarticle/do...

The main finding is that the top quintile of those who ate the most plant based food had 47% less risk of prostate cancer progression compared with those in the lowest quintile.

The results were clearest for higher risk PC patients (Gleason score >= 7) where risk was reduced by 55%.

It does not mean having a plant only diet, in the top quintile participants still ate meat and dairy. A Mediterranean diet with plenty of vegetables and fruits, olive oil, fish, and not too much red meat is likely to be the most advantageous for prostate cancer.

[Mascouche in reply to MarkS]

What is regrettable with those studies is that most often they roll up processed meat (bacon, salami, baloney) which are full of nitrates together with healthier meat (grass-fed/grass-finished beef).

[tunybgur]

As far as I know from my own research, cancer cells need two essentials to survive and spread, carbohydrate and glutamine.

I try to restrict carbs in my diet, they can be almost eliminated by a ketogenic diet, but unfortunately I find it very difficult to live without bread, so I have a few slices a day, I'm just not stupid with simple carbs which are really no good to anyone, apart from sugar manufacturers.

Glutamine however is the most abundant amino acid in our bodies, so a bit more difficult to reduce. I do quite a lot of exercise which is proven to help cancer survival, my theory about this, muscles are one of the major consumers of glutamine, and when they are being worked hard there's less for those pesky cancer cells!

There is a branch of research looking at the effect of glutamine and how to limit its availability, but that's just one of many avenues being pursued.

After a good workout I just replace my lost fluids with water, I avoid all those energy drinks and supplements as these are designed to quickly replace all the lost elements which will of course include lots of carbs and amongst others glutamine.

I try to make my body a hostile environment for cancer cells, but the reality is, we are only slowing its progression, the only current cure is killing them with modern science, radiotherapy, chemo etc etc.

Good luck

[Retireddoc in reply to tunybgur]

Just a minor correction. Glycogen is a carbohydrate (not an amino acid) made up of glucose and is stored in the liver and muscles for quick conversation to glucose during exercise. Glucose levels in the blood need to be kept within a fairly narrow range to provide instant energy. Significant depletion of glucose in the blood below a certain level would result in a coma (fortunately the body regulates this with some exceptions like diabetes). Likewise, glycogen levels need to be at a certain level to replenish the glucose.

I don't believe there is any true scientific evidence that indicates that limiting glucose/glycogen impends the growth of prostate cancer. Glucose is a necessary molecule for the body to function.

[tunybgur in reply to Retireddoc]

Sorry, got my gluts and glychs mixed up....easily done

[Mascouche in reply to Retireddoc]

Glucose is necessary but does not need to be ingested as it can be produced by the body as needed through gluconeogenesis. This happens when fasting or doing the carnivore diet.

[NecessarilySo]

Lycopene...see my bio.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/327....

Lycopene has been found to effectively suppress the progression and proliferation, arrest in-cell cycle, and induce apoptosis of prostate cancer cells in both in-vivo and in-vitro conditions. Additionally, lycopene showed that it could modulate the signaling pathways and their protein for the treatment or prevention of prostate cancer.

[Mgtd in reply to NecessarilySo]

From my Italian heritage side for some reason lycopene/tomatoes and pasta sprinkled cheese seem like the perfect mix of veggies, dairy and carbs.

You guys are making me hungry!

[Retireddoc]

This is a reasoned, rational reply.

[Mgtd]

The older I get the more I agree on the “knowledge of grandparents”. Epsom salt and chicken soap had a million uses. Just getting out the bottle of iodine seemed to cure my cuts/scrapes.

I totally agree on the diet/exercise issue. I grew up in a poor household of fisherman we hardly ever ate meat except for Easter and Christmas dinner that I could remember. I attribute that diet to my health today.

[dhccpa]

You'll receive very diverse and strenuous replies on any question about diet and/or supplements.

Some say do this or that, others vehemently disagree.

It's the most controversial topic on the forum.

[Walliam]

I couldn’t have put it better myself.Exercise is a major factor for mind and body during this journey

[Sagewiz]

There is a great cancer diet book called "One Bite at a Time". We used that when my wife was going through treatment and I have taken a lot of ideas from that. Yes, there are tons of studies on foods and supplements. My top few supplements are 1) Modified Citrus Pectin (Pectasol) and there are many studies on that. 2) Pom-T Pomegranate extract. 3) Pumpkin seeds and pumpkin seed oil. 4) Lycopene from food sources and rom supplements, 5) Curcumin from food sources 6) Vitamin B complex, 7) Probiotics, 8) medicinal mushrooms. There are others I take as well, but these have the most support.

[Tinkudi in reply to Sagewiz]

Thank you so much. Can you pls tell me which brands you take for these

[Sagewiz in reply to Tinkudi]

Pectasol is the brand for the citrus pectin. Pom-T is the brand for the pomegranate supplements. I buy un-roasted unsalted pumpkin seeds and whatever oil I can find in the stores. Lycopene I mainly get from food sources (dark colored foods like Japanese purple yams, black grapes, tomatoes, multi colored carrots, sour cherries, blueberries, etc.) Curcumin has high potency supplements but those have shown to get some negative results in studies. Better just to add turmeric to whatever you can. Probiotics from Greek Yogurt and sauerkraut etc. but I also tak Focal DF 45 probiotic supplement. It's pricey but many oral probiotics simply don't get through to the intestines. Mushrooms: Lions Mane, Maitaki, Reishi, and many others have positive effects per Japanese studies. I also grind fresh flaxseed on everything I can. Green tea when my stomach can handle it. I hope that helps. I also use the subscription service The Moss Report to check out research on some of the "natural" foods and supplements and they have articles on most.

[j-o-h-n]

Hello Tinkudi,

I assume your diet question is meant for your dear 83 year old Father's sake. He's probably been eating (East) Indian food for his entire life. So my non-medical advice is, let him eat what he wants to eat, especially Dal. All the rest of the B.S. is just B.S.

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n

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[Tinkudi in reply to j-o-h-n]

Haha dear John. I love how you lighten up this serious board. 🤗🤗

Yes I was asking for Dad. He has regular Indian diet of veggies and chapati etc. Only thing I have added is a whey protein shake so he gets enough protein - any thoughts on that ?

Best wishes for your health 😊🙏🏻