Gut bacteria making hormones

[de-luke]

Scientists revealed how gut bacteria contribute to the progression of advanced prostate cancers and their resistance to hormone therapy sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

[Magnus1964]

Nice article, thanks for sharing.

[Gudgelm]

I think the microbiome is the next frontier in immunology, buy not in time to help us much. I read through the article but did not see any reference to "good" vs "bad bacteria. Anyone?

[kaptank in reply to Gudgelm]

Ruminococcus bad, Prevotella Stercorea good. However I recollect pjoshea13 (Patrick) posted some months ago on probiotic bugs and came to some conclusions.

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[arete1105 in reply to kaptank]

That Swansons pre/probiotic is what I take.

[TheTopBanana in reply to Gudgelm]

”Scientists also analysed microbial genetic material from the stool of men with prostate cancer and identified a specific bacterium -- Ruminococcus - that may play a major role in the development of resistance. In contrast, the bacterium Prevotella stercorea was associated with favourable clinical outcomes.”

[Graham49]

Ruminoccus produces an inflammatory polysaccharide and is also implicated in Crohn's disease.

Ruminococcus gnavus, a member of the human gut microbiome associated with Crohn’s disease, produces an inflammatory polysaccharide

View ORCID ProfileMatthew T. Henke, Douglas J. Kenny, Chelsi D. Cassilly, Hera Vlamakis, Ramnik J. Xavier, and View ORCID ProfileJon Clardy

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PNAS June 25, 2019 116 (26) 12672-12677; first published June 10, 2019; doi.org/10.1073/pnas.190409...

Edited by Ralph R. Isberg, Tufts University School of Medicine, Boston, MA, and approved

[Graham49]

Another paper that might be of interest. The drugs used to treat ruminoccus are stated below.

Ruminococcus gnavus bacteraemia in a patient with multiple haematological malignancies

Caroline Gren, Malene Roed Spiegelhauer, [...], and Leif Percival Andersen

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We present a case of Ruminococcus gnavus sepsis in a woman suffering from multiple myeloma and myelodysplastic syndrome. R. gnavus , a Gram-positive coccus and a gut commensal, has been described in nine cases of infection in the literature, with most infections having occurred in patients with either gastrointestinal symptoms or prosthesis infections. In this case, R gnavus was identified by mass spectrometry, and showed susceptibility to penicillin, meropenem, tetracycline, metronidazole and clindamycin. The patient was successfully treated initially with intravenous piperacillin/tazobactam and metronidazole, and then switched to oral penicillin and metronidazole. The cause of infection is hypothesized to have been a shift in the gut microbiota towards an excess growth of R. gnavus caused by immunosuppression, and bacterial translocation across a vulnerable mucosal barrier due to prednisolone treatment and severe thrombocytopenia.

[tarzantass in reply to Graham49]

Can we still take probiotics or yogurt? I think everyone here is eager to know the answer

[GeorgeGlass in reply to Graham49]

How do you build or introduce Prevotella stercorea into the gut? I can't find any supplements, so what foods foster it?

[Graham49 in reply to GeorgeGlass]

Eat a high fiber low protein diet and maybe breast milk! (this is not the title of the study)

Contributed equally.PMID: 34972822

PMCID: PMC8727306

DOI: 10.1038/s41564-021-01023-6

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Distinct bacterial trophic networks exist in the gut microbiota of individuals in industrialized and non-industrialized countries. In particular, non-industrialized gut microbiomes tend to be enriched with Prevotella species. To study the development of these Prevotella-rich compositions, we investigated the gut microbiota of children aged between 7 and 37 months living in rural Gambia (616 children, 1,389 stool samples, stratified by 3-month age groups). These infants, who typically eat a high-fibre, low-protein diet, were part of a double-blind, randomized iron intervention trial (NCT02941081) and here we report the secondary outcome. We found that child age was the largest discriminating factor between samples and that anthropometric indices (collection time points, season, geographic collection site, and iron supplementation) did not significantly influence the gut microbiome. Prevotella copri, Faecalibacterium prausnitzii and Prevotella stercorea were, on average, the most abundant species in these 1,389 samples (35%, 11% and 7%, respectively). Distinct bacterial trophic network clusters were identified, centred around either P. stercorea or F. prausnitzii and were found to develop steadily with age, whereas P. copri, independently of other species, rapidly became dominant after weaning. This dataset, set within a critical gut microbial developmental time frame, provides insights into the development of Prevotella-rich gut microbiomes, which are typically understudied and are underrepresented in western populations.

[Graham49 in reply to Graham49]

These bacteria appear to produce Menaquinones (vitamin K2 in the human gut). Mk11, Mk12 and Mk13 are long chained and not easily absorbed by the colon according to Wickipaedia. Mk7 is produced by the bacteria in the fermented food nattokinase and is more easily absorbed.

Proevotella copri sp. nov. and Prevotella stercorea sp. nov., isolated from human faeces

Hidenori Hayashi et al. Int J Syst Evol Microbiol. 2007 May.

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Int J Syst Evol Microbiol . 2007 May;57(Pt 5):941-946.

doi: 10.1099/ijs.0.64778-0.

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Hidenori Hayashi 1 , Kensaku Shibata 2 1 , Mitsuo Sakamoto 1 , Shinichi Tomita 2 , Yoshimi Benno 1

Affiliations

1 Microbe Division/Japan Collection of Microorganisms, RIKEN BioResource Center, 2-1 Hirosawa, Wako, Saitama 351-0198, Japan.

2 Department of Life Science, Faculty of Agriculture, Tamagawa University, 6-1-1 Tamagawa-Gakuen, Machida, Tokyo 194-8610, Japan.

PMID: 17473237

DOI: 10.1099/ijs.0.64778-0

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Six strains (CB7(T), CB18, CB23, CB26, CB28 and CB35(T)) were isolated from human faeces. Based on phylogenetic analysis, phenotypic characteristics, cellular fatty acid profiles and menaquinone profiles, these strains could be included within the genus Prevotella and made up two clusters. 16S rRNA gene sequence analysis indicated that five strains were most closely related to Prevotella veroralis, sharing about 92 % sequence similarity; the remaining strain was most closely related to Prevotella shahii, sharing about 90 % sequence similarity. All six strains were obligately anaerobic, non-pigmented, non-spore-forming, non-motile, Gram-negative rods. The cellular fatty acid compositions of the six strains differed significantly from those of other Prevotella species. Five strains (CB7(T), CB18, CB23, CB26 and CB28) contained dimethyl acetals and the major menaquinones of these strains were MK-11, MK-12 and MK-13. The major menaquinones of CB35(T) were MK-12 and MK-13. Based on phenotypic and phylogenetic findings, two novel species, Prevotella copri sp. nov. and Prevotella stercorea sp. nov., are proposed, representing the two different strain clusters. The DNA G+C contents of strains CB7(T) and CB35(T) were 45.3 and 48.2 mol%, respectively. The type strains of P. copri and P. stercorea are CB7(T) (=JCM 13464(T)=DSM 18205(T)) and CB35(T) (=JCM 13469(T)=DSM 18206(T)), respectively.

[de-luke]

Our bodies are each a walled garden with a gate to the world. (pardon figurative)

[tarzantass in reply to de-luke]

Please help us all to clear our doubts as to whether probiotics is bad to take or not

[tarzantass]

That means we cannot take probiotics and yogurt. Am I right?

[NotDFL in reply to tarzantass]

No; the study does not lead to that conclusion.

[Knittingque]

Are they saying that having good bacteria in your gut is bad for us? I am finding this difficult to understand what we could do to help ourselves now.

[TheTopBanana in reply to Knittingque]

I understod it as such: some bacteria (Runinococcus) is bad in regards to hormone resistance. Other bacteria (Prevotella) is the good and has the opposite effect.

[tarzantass in reply to TheTopBanana]

Is taking probiotics bad? How about yogurt? Please help us clear this doubt.

[NotDFL]

Actually, the scientists do not reveal that gut bacteria contribute to the advancement of (castrate resistant) prostate cancer. Right now, it's merely a possibility/hypothesis that needs to be tested.

[tarzantass in reply to NotDFL]

So it is too early to say probiotics is bad, right? How can something is good to the gut can be bad for the prostate

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[Graham49]

You might wait a long time for scientific proof, but there are some encouraging papers, see one below. IMO you need to eat the right kind of prebiotic foods (as per pjosheas posts) otherwise the good bacteria will not last long.

Clinical research Urine ora imbalance and new biomarkers in prostate

cancer and benign prostatic hyperplasia

Shuiping Yin1,2,3, Dandan Xu4, Meng Zhang1,2,3, Peiyu Zhang1,2,3, Yu Guan1,2,3, Julia Kzhyshkowska5, Chaozhao Liang1,2,3

1Department of Urology, The First A liated Hospital of Anhui Medical University, Hefei, Anhui, China

2Institute of Urology, Anhui Medical University, Hefei, Anhui, China

3Anhui Province Key Laboratory of Genitourinary Diseases, Anhui Medical University,

Hefei, Anhui, China

4Department of Oncology, The Fourth A liated Hospital of Anhui Medical University,

Hefei, Anhui, China

5Institute of Transfusion Medicine and Immunology, Medical Faculty Mannheim,

Heidelberg University, Mannheim, Germany Submitted: 2 April 2021

Abstract

Introduction: Microbial structure is closely associated with the initiation and development of various diseases. However, the roles of urine flora in prostate diseases, including prostate cancer (PCa) and benign prostatic hy- perplasia (BPH), are still unclear.

Material and methods: In this study, clinical samples were collected from PCa (n = 21) and BPH (n = 19) patients and healthy people (n = 12). The analysis of urine flora DNA sequencing and hematological testing results be- tween groups was performed using bioinformatic methods, including alpha and beta diversity analysis, and functional PICRUSt analysis.

Results: The results showed that the microbial structure in PCa and BPH differed from the healthy control. Abundance of Escherichia coli was higher in PCa and BPH patients, while probiotics, such as Lactobacillus helveticus and Lactobacillus iners, were lower. Moreover, beta diversity in the PCa group was significantly different from the control group, while alpha diversity was not. Spearman analysis showed that Escherichia coli was negatively correlat- ed with Lactobacillus helveticus and Lactobacillus iners. Functional analysis showed that microbial imbalance was associated with energy metabolism in PCa, and with cell motility, energy metabolism, and intracellular traffick- ing, secretion, and vesicular transport in BPH. Moreover, microbial imbalance was associated with nervous disorders and infectious diseases in PCa, and with metabolic system, infectious diseases, and signal transduction in BPH.

Conclusions: Taken together, microbial imbalance may be associated with PCa and BPH. The increase of Escherichia coli was accompanied by the decrease of probiotics, such as Lactobacillus helveticus and Lactobacillus iners. These may be biomarkers for risk prediction and early treatment for prostate disease.

Corresponding author:

Chaozhao Liang Department of Urology The First A liated Hospital of

Anhui Medical University Institute of Urology Anhui Province Key Laboratory of Genitourinary Diseases Anhui Medical University 218 Jixi Road

Hefei, Anhui 230000 China

E-mail: Liang_chaozhao@ ahmu.edu

[Savoy]

There has been a bewildering wave of discussion on this subject, and personally I can’t understand where it has practical application or benefits to us. Or maybe I’m just too dense to discern it

[NotDFL in reply to Savoy]

I agree. Even if we hypothesize that the gut microflora in some individuals makes enough testosterone precursors to overcome hormone therapy (ADT), it still needs to be demonstrated that we can actually intervene by changing the gut microbial flora in a manner that decreases the production of testosterone (precursors). Just adding some 'good' bacteria may not 'work' in men.

[Brysonal]

I wonder if this is why metformin is linked to favourable outcomes. They don't seem to know how metformin works but it is agreed it changes the gut microbiome...very interesting

[de-luke]

So don't run out a get a fecal transplant, just yet. hopkinsmedicine.org/gastroe...