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Parasites, bacteria and virus testing to see if they caused the cancer

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I've read before that cancer can sometimes be caused by parasites, bacteria and virus and that not attending to those tiny critters increases the risk of treatment failure or of the cancer coming back since the underlying cause was not addressed.

Anyone ever did those tests? Where do we get them done? Did you need a prescription from the oncologist? Were you simply laughed at for even asking? Did you find anything and were you able to get rid of it?

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Tall_Allen profile image
Tall_Allen

There is no evidence that parasites, bacteria or virus has any role in causing prostate cancer. And how would you know if any of them do just because they are present in your tissue?

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Mascouche in reply to Tall_Allen

That's what I am trying to learn. I don't want to just shrug it away as unlikely until I feel more strongly that nothing out there can back up that claim. So better investigate and risk ending up empty handed than doing nothing and knowing for sure that I've failed to check on something that could maybe pan out . ;)

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lewicki in reply to Mascouche

Would it hurt to take a dose of parasite prescription medicine just in case. How does someone live 50 or more years and not have some parasites?

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addicted2cycling in reply to lewicki

Maybe in infant's bottles or mother could drink so it goes through the breast???????????????😞 for children's cancer. NOT!!!!! BTW, a nephew died from cancer diagnosed at 10.

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Tall_Allen in reply to Mascouche

Here's some of what I've seen:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

sciencedirect.com/science/a...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/313...

link.springer.com/article/1...

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/263...

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/268...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/228...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/225...

What would you possibly do about it? It's closing the barn door after the horses are out.

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Mascouche in reply to Tall_Allen

Thanks for the links. I've not had a chance to read them yet but I will. The analogy is inaccurate. It's not "closing the barn door after the horses are out". I am trying to find out if the horses fled because there was a snake or a wolverine in the barn. If there is, I'd like to rid the barn of those pests so that if the doctor brings the horse back to the barn, it does not run away once again because the same condition still exists in the barn.

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Tall_Allen in reply to Mascouche

Once you've got prostate cancer, its etiology is unimportant. It may help others prevent it someday, but the etiology is multifactorial, so I doubt it.

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Mascouche in reply to Tall_Allen

You do not believe that recurrence is a more likely possibility if the pre-existing condition has not been dealt with and still exists?

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Tall_Allen in reply to Mascouche

No. The combined causes of your prostate cancer were a lifetime in the making. What you do for it after you've already gotten it is entirely different. For example, chronic low testosterone is a known risk factor associated with the incidence of prostate cancer. Once you have metastatic prostate cancer, keeping testosterone levels at castrate level is known to slow progression and increase survival.

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Mascouche in reply to Tall_Allen

I hear what you say but I still think it is important for some people to understand how they got sick even if it was a lifetime in the making. If all or most of the bad conditions are still around, it might complicate the work of curing the disease or it might make it easier for the disease to comeback after a momentarily successful treatment.

But of course each person is free to decide for themselves what they consider important to know. For me, I'd rather know whether my illness comes from genetics, from environmental hazards (asbestos, lead, infected by a bug, ...) , from actions that I've taken and shouldn't have, etc...

I think the knowledge in turn helps me put things in their rightful context within my head when I need to assess what to do next or give tips to my children on what to look for in case I pass down this disease to them (which I might since I have a BRAC2 mutation).

For example...

If my cancer came from genetics then I know that I though I might have been predisposed, maybe I could have avoided it and made it not as strong by understanding epigenetics better.

If my cancer came from an emotional trauma, then maybe I'd try to consult a therapist to help me prevent that emotion from having such a strong impact on my immune system.

If my cancer came from a certain bacteria, virus or parasite, I'd get rid of the critter for myself of course but I'd also get my kids tested for it and rid themselves of the critter so they don't eventually develop the cancer themselves years later.

All this to say, maybe my question was not important to you and I respect that. But please understand that my question was important to ME and it was important enough that I've now tried to explain just why and that part must be boring for most. :)

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Tall_Allen in reply to Mascouche

We do know that the etiology of most cancers have hundreds of contributing risk factors - genetic, epigenetic, environmental, tissue-based, microbiomes... Most of us are not concerned with looking backwards. We are concerned with what we can do now. If you want to ascribe blame, that is just a recipe for anxiety. I hope you will come to change your orientation to the present moment - what you do now is the only thing you have control over.

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Mascouche in reply to Tall_Allen

I understand the anxiety part but I don't look backward so I can blame myself. I look backward in hope that I will learn so that history doesn't repeat itself.

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Tall_Allen in reply to Mascouche

There are over 200 gene and gene combinations that are associated with prostate cancer. It is a product of diet, lifestyle, air, water, soil, epigenetics, the bacteria and viruses that are part of us, etc. All research is focussed on prognostic and alterable risk factors. If you want to waste your time worrying about how a cold you had when you were 15 years old contributed, I doubt you will find any researchers interested in exploring that for you. Good luck with your quest.

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depotdoug in reply to Tall_Allen

Excellent analogy T_A. Don’t think we can live in a parasite,bacteria, germs, virus free world in a bubble.

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immunity1

Yes, there is a link between virus infection and the incidence of cancer. One of the most well studied viruses is Rous Sarcoma VIrus in chickens. Certain strains of Human Papilloma Virus in humans cause cervical cancer. The development of vaccines to protect humans against HPV infection has been succesful in lowering the overall prevalence of cervical cancer in many countries when given to young persons prior to being sexually active. Other viruses such as Hepatitis B and C may be associated with liver cancer and there is a vaccine to prevent infection by Hep B in many countries. There is less evidence for bacteria and multicellular parasites but Helicobactor pylori is likely to be causal for stomach cancers.

Who knows for prostate cancer; no evidence yet that I am aware of. There is certainly a moderate link of PC within families, of which only a little is expained by genetic mutation (which I concede is in its infancy) but microbes could be part of the environmental milieu.

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dhccpa

Some people use fenbendazole and other dewormers in their treatment. But my understanding has been that their effectiveness for cancer, such as it is, has nothing to do with their original purpose as dewormers.

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NecessarilySo

I tend to think that parasites live in general in the intestines, so I don''t see how they can cause prostate cancer. As far as I know,they do not get into the prostate, which is in the urinary tract rather than the intestinal tract, but if they did then I would think they would be seen on biopsies, which they are not. The causes of prostate cancer are microscopic. They include radiation and chemicals like pesticides, which can cause damage to cell DNA. Roundup for example is associated with many kinds of cancer. Talcum powder is associated with ovarian cancer. The body immune system fights against invader cells like chemicals and abnormal cells caused by radiation. Vitamin deficiencies, like D and E, may weaken immune system. If the cell damage becomes too great for our immune system then they increase exponentially and become a problem requiring excision or methods supplemental to the immune system, like drugs.

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dentaltwin

Re: microbes and cancer (not prostate, but lung cancer)--this happened to cross my desk just a few minutes ago:

practiceupdate.com/c/111248...

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FRTHBST

As T_A points out the etiology of most cancer is unknown, involves myriad elements and probably mutual causal processes. As many of the known suspects are present also in men who do not develop PCa, and given the genetic variation within a single tumor, hitting on the factor that might have been the ultimate cause of one's own cancer could be difficult. On the other hand, there seems to be great interest among researchers in exploring the interaction of both microbiome and viral exposure in relation to PCa .

Here is a link to a 2017 12 year longitudinal population wide study of men in South Koreancbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl... studies easier to do in countries with national health care systems ) that finds a significant association between periodontal disease and PCa. For each one of us, the specific environmental or genetic insult that tipped an already primed biology over the line into carcinogenesis might be different. The general stresses that result from any kind of inflammatory reaction might be worth paying attention to, and to try to avoid.

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lewicki in reply to FRTHBST

Royal Rife inventor of the Rife Machine sometime in the 1930's claimed there are microscopic parasites at 50,000 magnification ( if I recall this correctly ) visible only by dyeing ( which I am not sure what was meant ) He supposedly invented a microscope strong enough. A company in Kalamazoo Michigan called True Rife is quite informational. I do have the R-117 and do not use it. Will be starting to use again as I was planning on doing so prior to this discussion. Can't be worse than handfuls of supplements I guess.

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lewicki in reply to lewicki

Also turning 80 in April I have a very high amount of close friends who have died of Pca or are survivors. Most of the group contracted the disease around the age of 60. We all lived in Detroit and drank Detroit River water. Back then the water was horrible polluted. Spme say the Walleyes had three eyes. Also, we were subjected to radiation fall out as the Us and Soviet Union etc.were testing the bombs. Remember when you could not eat Cranberries for a few years because of I think Strontium 90 was washed down on the bogs ( Minnesota } in the rain after one of the tests.

The real question I have so far is to control the microscopic junk from causing remission failure.

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Miky61

We make use of fenbendazole to keep possible parasites and cancer I check. I personally have used and still do as a cancer treatment.Caught onto this drug a couple years ago through postings from a man who was told by specialists that he was lucky to live even another 3 to six months from lung cancer.

Fenbendazole is not recommended by the medical experts because although it's been used for decades on dogs and other large animals to control parasites and owner noticed that fenbendazole was also literally controlling cancer, it has not been tested on humans. Theres a lot to read about this product which I pur hase from labs. So research away and decide for yourselves!

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Marge65

There are many people who take fenben and similar drugs and they have great success. Check out FB groups. I was shocked to hear about a link between parasites and cancer and to llearn that many do achieve remission with it. Keep reading and researching. Best of luck.

j-o-h-n profile image
j-o-h-n

I was married to a parasite..... thank goodness she left after 10 years......... she could give a parasite cancer........

Good Luck, Good Health and Good Humor.

j-o-h-n Saturday 01/09/2021 10:07 PM EST

Mascouche profile image
Mascouche

Fresh of the press article on this. :)

cnn.com/2021/01/11/health/b...

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Scout4answers

I and others think gut bacteria could play a role in keeping PCa from returning. I would refer you to Books by Dr. William Li " Eat to Beat Disease" and Chris Wark, a cancer survivor, who believes what you eat can effect the outcome of cancer.

Some now think prostate cancer is a metabolic disease.

Henry Ford said "Think you can, think you can't, either way you are right"

Hell, the placebo effect has been shown to work 30% of the time... Keep an open mind and a positive attitude.

Any one else on here looking at diets for PCa?

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de-luke

karger.com/Article/FullText... Don't take dewormer or anti-bacteria for cancer or COVID! In this case, the person damaged their liver. Social Media is full of quacks!

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