Holy Gator Blood

[gusgold]

4 months ago I had a shot of Lupron ( 4 month) with a PSA of .29. Just got the LEF blood test reading.....Testosterone 107...Estradiol 58 pg/ml = High and Estradiol Sensitive <2.5 = Low...PSA <0.1....I also take Avodart and Arimidex .5 mg x3 per week...looks like I better drop the Arimidex to .5mg x1.....I am thinking Test 107 and PSA <0.1 is probably good....any of you experts have an opinion ? Amazing how Estradiol test and Estradiol Sensitive test can be so far apart. I wonder if I should cut back on the raw Alligator Liver recd by Dr. Nalakrats

Gus

[Dan59]

Certainly a T level of 107 in this countries labs is too high, I would have it rechecked ,maybe too much gator blood, Congratulations on the psa, You got this Gus.

[pjoshea13]

Gus,

Looks like your E2 of 58 pg/mL is a false high. What could cause that?

I wouldn't take Arimidex at all with Lupron. Chances are that you need to use a low-dose E2 patch.

Your T of 107 ng/dL is much too high, according to studies. And yet your PSA looks good.

Thirteen years ago, my urologist told me: "You don't want to be an interesting case."

-Patrick

[gusgold in reply to pjoshea13]

Patrick,

It was a 4 month Lupron shot administered 4 months ago. Maybe my T started to recover at 3 months and the Test of 107 reflects a rise from a previous castrate level. Now that T is recovering would .5mg Arimidex x1 per week allow E2 to recover. Also, I am not to confident in Labcorp. About 9 months ago they came back with T at 1100...my Onco hit the roof...thought I was taking TRT...a retest was done at came back at 350

Gus

[Dan59 in reply to gusgold]

Gus the 4 month shot is actually a 16 week shot which can be 3.5 months depending on the months, Sounds like you have good advice from Nal and Patrick.

[Neal-Snyder in reply to Dan59]

When they say a Lupron shot is for a certain length of time, it can actually vary greatly depending on weight, metabolism, etc. A 4 month/16 week injection lasts for 6 months, for me.

[pjoshea13 in reply to gusgold]

Gus,

If you are going to get another 16 week shot, I would cut out the Arimidex.

When on a Lupron vacation, T tends to recover slowly. I am wary of estrogen dominance during the recovery period. That's why I think TRT can be beneficial. With high T, E2 is less of a worry.

Arimidex is useful when E2 is elevated, but I don't trust that 58 pg/mL reading. You need a reliable number so that you can arrive at a safe Arimidex dose. You don't want to accidentally drift into osteopenia (or worse).

Here in Asheville, the LabCorp numbers I have been seeing these past 13 years have always made sense. Part of the LEF service is that you can always speak to a doctor. You need clarification of those results.

Best, -Patrick

[gusgold]

Nal,

I am not going to get another Lupron shot. I want to do a test of the supplements.

I am taking Gator Blood, Apple Peel Extract, Resveratrol, Pterostilbene, Curcumin, Thunder God Root, Vitamin D3, Metformin, Avodart, Cabergoline, and Arimidex. Nothing in this protocol lowers T so my T level should keep increasing. Right now T is 107 and PSA is <.01 I will retest in 3 months and if PSA is still <.01 good chance the supplements are working.

Gus

[gusgold]

Nal,

Dr. Strum believes PCa uses Prolactin as a back door survival mechanism

Gus

[gusgold]

Nal,

Dr. Friedman believes E2 is the cause and the real driver in PCa. Studies have shown than men with a low T to E2 ratio develop more aggressive PCa. So maybe my T of 107 and E2 of <2.5 is the reason my PSA is <.01. I take Vitamin K2 and Vitamin D3 which might stop bone loss from low E2.

Gus