To Eat Fat or Not Fat?xe

[Norfolkmummy]

Hi, I have dieted on and off for years and have had the “Low Fat” is best message tattooed on ?@7my brain. However I know that thought on this are changing. With high cholesterol I thought reducing Lipids is a good idea by adopting low fat diet and exercising. I am aware of healthy fats such as nuts, oily fish etc. But yoghurt ? Butter? Cheese? What is the evidence And what is the current advice please?

[BridgeGirl Administrator 2 stone]

Here are a couple of resources that have changed my way of thinking, Norfolkmummy

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[Norfolkmummy in reply to BridgeGirl]

Interesting reading, but so different to current guidelines, I can’t see NICE making such a radical change to guidance in one go?!

[BridgeGirl Administrator 2 stone in reply to Norfolkmummy]

Nor can I. Most institutions are slow to acknowledge that they have been mistaken and/or that further work has thrown doubt on existing opinion. Look how long it took for smoking to be recognised as the risk it was, and for advice to be updated.

I have confidence in the authors of those reports. As far as I can see, they have no financial or commercial interest in promoting a different approach and what they say makes sense to me. The 'epidemic' of obesity and metabolic disease in the UK has coincided with a shift in our diet away from whole foods, and away from eating three meals with nothing in between. I know coincidence isn't causation but it's reasonable enough for me to have some confidence in.

However, we all have to do our own reading and exploring 'til we reach a conclusion we're happy with and take it from there

[BridgeGirl Administrator 2 stone in reply to BridgeGirl]

PS It's Public Health England who are responsible for current guidance, the Eatwell Guide

[IndigoBlue61]

We are all different and need to do the research Norfolkmummy, but the way I see it, as a middle aged and fairly immobile woman, I cannot possibly need the same energy requirements from carbohydrates as a young fit male bricklayer. I have gradually reduced carbs and reintroduced the nice tasty fats in nuts, olive oil, avocado, cheese and fattier cuts of meat. Not to extremes like putting butter in my coffee (yes! That’s a real trend 😩) The weight is coming down slowly but more importantly by filling my plate with green leafy vegetables, salad etc I feel really healthy, my digestion is happy, and I’m appear to be losing inches

Have a good read, especially at the links above, and then decide what works for you 😊

[IndigoBlue61 in reply to IndigoBlue61]

Ps the term ‘high cholesterol’ is misleading, it’s the balance between the different types that is key. Were you given any other advice or just the usual opt out of “reduce fat in your diet” ?

[Norfolkmummy in reply to IndigoBlue61]

I wasn’t given any advice at all, but in fairness I had a lot of other health issues at the time, the dr may have overlooked that one. I’m seeing him again next week. Thank you for your input x

[IndigoBlue61 in reply to Norfolkmummy]

You’re welcome 😊

[jaybee72 in reply to IndigoBlue61]

I agree with everything you have said IndigoBlue except I can't manage the fattier meat , I stilll cut it off even bacon after cooking. Where is this young fit male bricklayer I am watching my bricklayer(hubby) repairing our garden wall, doesn't quite fit the bill especially the young bit😄😄

[IndigoBlue61 in reply to jaybee72]

Haha 😂 lucky you!!

My son’s a bricklayer so that was who I was thinking of, very hard working to provide for his beautiful young family 😊

[jaybee72 in reply to IndigoBlue61]

He sounds a great family man. My hubby is really a retired accountant thats probaly why the walls falling down! but he tries.😃

[IndigoBlue61 in reply to jaybee72]

Sounds like my Computer Analyst hubby who can just about manage to put a shelf up 🤣

[Stoozie]

Regarding the fats from dairy which you mention, there is also evidence that not only is it not harmful (as was once believed), but that the fat isn't even absorbed by the body, with other minerals present acting as a 'fat-blocker'.

Link here: bbc.co.uk/sn/humanbody/trut...

[Norfolkmummy in reply to Stoozie]

I used to drink half a pint of skimmed milk a night and I got bigger and bigger (that might have been the biscuits) but skimmed and semi-skimmed milk have the same calcium content. So I’m confused 🤷🏻‍♀️

[Stoozie in reply to Norfolkmummy]

Whilst it binds fat, the sugars and carbs would still affect you. But cheese butter and FF yoghurt are all v low sugar. HTH x

[Alisongold in reply to Stoozie]

Thank you for this link, interesting reading.

[Hopalong1 Host 3 stone in reply to Alisongold]

I agree, it was a good read.

[cheritorrox]

To add a bit more reading here's one of many explaining why cholesterol is not an issue.

huffpost.com/entry/the-chol...

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I think everybodys bodies are different ive lost weight in the past on low fat diets ive tried eating foods that contain healthy fats and have gained weight so ive recently gone back to a low fat diet which is working for me

[PandQs Maintainer 3st 7lbs]

Hi Norfolkmummy, After year’s of low fat I’ve switched now to LCHF. Over the past months I’ve been constantly searching for info on the internet, regarding LCHF, high fat, cholesterol, heart disease etc. I’m no expert, just an older lady, less obese than I used to be, whose innards are now no longer bursting through my six pack in the form of a fatty hernia.

Things that I have come to consider could be true are that high fat diet is not the cause of heart disease. The benefits of statins were misrepresented by the statistics presented to the public (a 3% occurrence of heart attack reduced to 2% is NOT a 33% reduction of risk as published). I also now believe very strongly that it is SUGAR in all it’s forms that does the most damage, shunted to fat by insulin to cause weight gain, damaging arteries and so requiring cholesterol to repair the damage causing build up of plaque as scars.

Maybe as a layperson I am only reading what I want to believe. You quite rightly want to hear expert advice before you make your own decision. This is one video that I found believable:

The Truth About Heart Disease & Cholesterol - Dwight Lundell

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[BridgeGirl Administrator 2 stone in reply to PandQs]

Thanks for that, PandQs , I haven't seen him before. It was excellent

The power of asking the right question

[Enamel 3lbs]

I understand fermented bread is Sourdough Bread? Is that true? Can it be bought in supermarkets? Who makes it?

[JohnSteed]

What an excellent thread, and the two guidelines from Public Health are excellent reading, and makes sense, but quite a step change from what's been drilled into us over the last few years.

[BridgeGirl Administrator 2 stone in reply to JohnSteed]

Which is why it's such a challenge for many of us to make the change. But so rewarding, in taste as well as results

[shopteddy 10 kg]

I am not sure what I think is the best way to eat. However for me the slimming world diet works well. It's low fat (which I don't find difficult to do) and encourages some carbs with protein and lots of fruit and veg. Started last week and lost 4lb. My aim is to eat in a way that I can carry on with oncertain the weight is lost rather than going back to old eating habits. We all need to find what suits us and eat everything in moderation.

[jaynewoodbank Restart May 2024 in reply to shopteddy]

I've lost weight easily and steadily with Slimming World too, after my weight loss ground to a halt last year.

We're all different and I find I just don't seem to be able to get on with maintaining my weight unless I get some carbs in and restrict fat intake

[seaspaniel]

Michael Mosley and his Fast 800 stuff has some good research information around this. thefast800.com/

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