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Hi all,

I’m really struggling to get on top of the pain in my neck, that runs up past my ear & causes headache/migraine on the same side.

I’ve had migraines before but this has become an everyday occurrence with the difference being the neck/side of face pain & starting in the night, making my mornings very difficult. Paracetamol & ibuprofen sometimes help to a degree & my migraine tablet helps but it’s not sustainable. I’m also slightly concerned at taking regular pain relief at the time of day when I take levothyroxine?

ENT consultant has pushed for another US scan but the date keeps getting moved. My GP appeared uninterested & only focused on taking levothyroxine. ‘Just take over the counter pain-relief’….

I have Hashimoto’s & hypothyroidism & have had right hemi & just completing first 6week dose of levothyroxine.

Am I missing anything here, in terms of pain relief or other solutions?

Thank you so much for this opportunity 🙏

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It sounds as if you are almost ready for a levo increase.

Test after 6/8 weeks on a steady dose, the results will then guide you

Post them for advice

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Oatsforlife in reply toDippyDame

Thanks - I had the GP blood test yesterday & have bought the advanced thyroid kit from Medicheck so hopefully will get a full set of results!

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DippyDame in reply toOatsforlife

Good....post results for advice

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Headache/migraine is common when on inadequate dose Levo

How much levothyroxine did you start on

Which brand?

Excellent that you will be testing vitamin levels and BOTH TPO and TG antibodies shortly

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Oatsforlife in reply toSlowDragon

Thank you for your help - I’m on 50mg Hillcross accord. The regular headache/migraine has been for last 2weeks of the 6weeks I’ve taken them but the neck/ear pain has been much longer & getting worse.

Hopefully taking OTC painkillers & migraine tablets don’t affect levothyroxine absorption?

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toOatsforlife

Make sure to leave at least an hour between taking Levo and painkillers

Hillcross 25mcg are Teva brand

Accord don’t make 25mcg

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Oatsforlife in reply toSlowDragon

I take 1 50mcg tablet at the moment. If they increase it, do I need to specifically ask to avoid a particular tablet?

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toOatsforlife

Options are

50mcg plus 25mcg - this is most likely

25mcg tablets

Available in following brands

Mercury Pharma

Vencamil - often best option for many people. Lactose free and Mannitol free

Wockhardt - well tolerated

Teva - avoid if possible

Crescent - rare - unlikely to be offered

Or 75mcg tablet

75mcg only made by Teva or Vencamil

Best to avoid Teva at this stage

Teva upsets many people

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Oatsforlife in reply toSlowDragon

I meant to ask if you think taking an orodispersable migraine tablet would be less of an absorption risk - struggling with the hour wait & being hungry increases the risk of the migraine 🙈

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toOatsforlife

Try taking Levo at bedtime

Many people take Levothyroxine soon after waking, but it may be more convenient and perhaps more effective taken at bedtime

verywellhealth.com/best-tim...

markvanderpump.co.uk/blog/p...

markvanderpump.co.uk/blog/p...

No other medication or supplements at same as Levothyroxine, leave at least 2 hour gap.

Some like iron, calcium, magnesium, HRT, omeprazole or vitamin D should be four hours away

(Time gap doesn't apply to Vitamin D mouth spray)

If you normally take levothyroxine at bedtime/in night ...adjust timings as follows prior to blood test

If testing Monday morning, delay Saturday evening dose levothyroxine until Sunday morning. Delay Sunday evening dose levothyroxine until after blood test on Monday morning. Take Monday evening dose levothyroxine as per normal

migraine is a hypothyroid symptom.

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Oatsforlife in reply toSlowDragon

Thanks - I think I’ll try Levo at night as I can’t cope with migraines as well as neck pain. I haven’t had regular migraine like this for years. I also have mouth sores & an incredibly itchy scalp.

I’m ok with taking supplements & BP tablets later in the day normally.

I was hoping orodispersable tablets (dissolve on tongue) might be like a spray but they only give 6 at a time! So Levo at night gives me flexibility for pain relief during the early hours too, thank you very much.

If my Medicheck results don’t support a dose increase then I’m probably going to have to go private, I can’t see my GP supporting it - without advice from endocrinology anyway - and that’ll take time.

Thanks again x

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Oatsforlife in reply toSlowDragon

Hi, Just wanted to say that I switched to taking Levo at night & gradually the intensity of my migraine reduced until I’m only using OTC pain relief, which I need for my neck anyway.

When I contacted my GP to ask for my dose to be reviewed as my T4 is low, she asked for my private blood test results and hasn’t responded. They didn’t respond to me politely challenging being prescribed propranolol either. I’ve given up with my GP practice for now.

My ENT consultant says the result of my latest neck scan shows continued evidence for the pain I’m in & referred me directly to Endocrinology - appointment within 2 weeks. I was ‘lucky’ to have consultant care for my sinus problem and he’s got involved with my thyroid too. I hope Endocrinology will help….

Thank you for your advice - I definitely think taking Levo at night has made a difference for me - even if it just allowed me to get pain relief from other things earlier in the day, it’s helped 🙏

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Oatsforlife in reply toSlowDragon

Oh my goodness, I feel gutted. I phoned the GP about my migraines as I ran out of Zolmitriptan and they’re starting me on propranolol as a preventer. In his words, migraine, neck/ear pain and mouth/tongue sores are nothing to do with hypothyroidism. I had to tell him about my Hashimoto’s thyroiditis and thyroid inferno in the remaining thyroid - he couldn’t help with that, he’s leaving it to ENT. So it sounds like I have to go private to get someone to understand?

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toOatsforlife

Propranolol lowers uptake and conversion of Levo (ft4) to active hormone (Ft3)

It should not be prescribed to hypothyroid patients it’s used to lower thyroid levels in hyperthyroid patients

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/168...

rejuvagencenter.com/hypothy...

escardio.org/Journals/E-Jou...

labtestsonline.org.uk/tests...

Drugs that may decrease PTH include cimetidine and propranolol.

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Oatsforlife in reply toSlowDragon

Wow, so my doctor insults me by saying my neck pain is nothing to do with my thyroid, I don’t need more Levo as my hypothyroidism is mild and well medicated, my migraine isn’t connected & then gives me tablets that could reduce absorption…..

I hope my Medicheck test works & moves me forward as I don’t know what else to do.

Thank you so much xx

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toOatsforlife

Levothyroxine doesn’t “top up” your thyroid output, it replaces it

Once we start on levothyroxine virtually everyone needs to increase dose slowly upwards until on approximately 1.6mcg per kilo per day

But often GP is unaware of guidelines

cks.nice.org.uk/topics/hypo...

bnf.nice.org.uk/drugs/levot...

nhs.uk/medicines/levothyrox...

Adults usually start with a dose between 50 micrograms and 100 micrograms taken once a day. This may be increased gradually over a few weeks to between 100 micrograms and 200 micrograms taken once a day.

Some people need a bit less than guidelines, some a bit more

TSH should always be below 2 on levothyroxine

gponline.com/endocrinology-...

Graph showing median TSH in healthy population is 1-1.5

web.archive.org/web/2004060...

Comprehensive list of references for needing LOW TSH on levothyroxine

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu....

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi...

If symptoms of hypothyroidism persist despite normalisation of TSH, the dose of levothyroxine can be titrated further to place the TSH in the lower part of the reference range or even slightly below (i.e., TSH: 0.1–2.0 mU/L), but avoiding TSH < 0.1 mU/L. Use of alternate day dosing of different levothyroxine strengths may be needed to achieve this (e.g., 100 mcg for 4 days; 125 mcg for 3 days weekly).

sciencedirect.com/science/a...

The optimal daily dose in overt hypothyroidism is 1·5–1·8 μg per kg of bodyweight, rounded to the nearest 25 μg.

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Oatsforlife in reply toSlowDragon

Thank you. As far as my practice is concerned, I have mild hypothyroidism, my first TSH result after treatment is normal so I’m well managed now! I think I’ll have to go private. The GP who called me is the senior partner, I can’t go any higher!

I’ll look at all that information, thank you. There’s lots of information about migraines & tongue sores being linked to UA, isn’t there? Would you mind commenting on my Medichecks (if it works)?

Thank you again xx

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toOatsforlife

You can’t be a little bit hypo ……or a little bit pregnant

Once you have hypothyroid diagnosis and started on levothyroxine, the NHS guidelines should be followed

There’s approx 2 million people in U.K. on Levo, it’s not a rare disease……but can be poorly understood by GP’s

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Oatsforlife

Are my current Hillcross Accord 50mcg tablets generally well tolerated?

Thank you x

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toOatsforlife

Yes Accord and Mercury Pharma generally well tolerated

Both contain lactose, which can be an issue

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Oatsforlife in reply toSlowDragon

Really helpful, thank x

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Oatsforlife

Thank you - hadn’t thought of that - I’ll try it 🙏

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Oatsforlife

Yes - I can normally cope with one thing but this is just a downward spiral. Sleep deprivation, not being able to eat often & stress makes migraines worse. I’m getting 2 cold flannels - one for head, one for neck! Hope you’re ok x

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