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I can only assume my GP has now received the podiatry report and MRI results of my recent right foot and ankle which shows extensive osteoarthritis in my mid foot. I'm still under podiatry and they will be attempting a guided steroid injection into my foot at some point.

I got a phone call yesterday asking me if I wanted a referal to rheumatology. I declined, because waiting lists are long, unlike RA there aren't many treatments for osteo, just painkillers etc. Or surgery. I've been offered fusion surgery but its major surgery and has a long rehab recovery. I'm not in enough pain to agree to that yet.

And lastly I've dealt with Rheumatology before for my EDS and Fibro and frankly they weren't much cop. Apart from diagnosing what I already knew they offered sweet FA in terms of management. It was very much a case of learning to " live with it".

I'm awash with medical appointments atm and really couldn't face yet another one which will just be a let down. But I'm wondering if I've done the right thing. Anyone ever seen a Rheumy for osteoarthritis and did you benefit?

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Anyone ever seen a Rheumy for osteoarthritis and did you benefit?

I saw/see one privately…..since early this year

X rays show both knees are in need of replacement……

Very knocked knees since child and decades of untreated vitamin D deficiency probably not helped and significant weight gain when hypo

but I opted to go see Rheumatologist first ……partly because I was in middle of moving house and area …..and partly because wondered if addressing inflammation caused by hashimoto’s might be first step

Now on daily prednisolone 5mg …..astonishing improvement and apparently can stay on this indefinitely

Also doing lots of physio exercises to build up muscles in preparation for knee replacement

Might be coincidence but …..

TPO antibodies dropped within range for first time in 30 plus years

TG antibodies dropped to almost within range

Ferritin dropped from over 300 to 150

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Marz in reply toSlowDragon

I too am struggling with knees ! Awaiting results of x-rays having driven 2 hours for private appointment !

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Sparklingsunshine in reply toSlowDragon

I've got knock knees due to EDS and flat feet, another EDS symptom. I now have mild knee cap arthritis in both knees and arthritis in feet. I thought they only prescribed Pred for inflammatory conditions like RA and Lupus.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toSparklingsunshine

Rheumatologist thinks I have mild hyper-mobility as very flexible

Very tall, and …….pre Hashimoto’s……extremely skinny (those were the days!)

Gluten and dairy intolerant and lipodema……all indicators of inflammation

nhs.uk/medicines/prednisolo...

It helps by reducing swelling (inflammation) and can also calm down your immune system. This helps autoimmune conditions, like rheumatoid arthritis, where your immune system mistakenly attacks its own tissues.

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Sparklingsunshine in reply toSlowDragon

I'm pleased you've found something for the pain. My mum suffered from severe RA and had two knees replaced, very sucessfully too. Mine is definitely OA though as the scans, xrays and blood tests show.

Hypermobility can lead to an increased risk of OA as the joints take more wear and tear due to weak or floppy muscles and tendons. I'm still surprised they prescribed steroids as my understanding was its only effective where the immune system is overactive and attacks the joints.

Still if it helps that's all that matters. I've always felt really good on Prednisolone. More energy, more get up and go and less aches and pains.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toSparklingsunshine

I have just recently started getting some acid reflux at night …..was thinking that was most likely thyroid…..but just been reading…it’s a common issue when been on prednisolone a while…….so that’s a pain (literally)

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Sparklingsunshine in reply toSlowDragon

Yes I've had pred before for asthma exacerbation and reflux is definitely a symptom.

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Curious101 in reply toSparklingsunshine

Hi there,

I'm on Pred for PolyMyalgia Rheumatica, and I take Turmeric for the reflux - according to an article I read either in the BMJ or Lancet it's as effective as Omeprazole.

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waveylines in reply toSlowDragon

That's great news!!! Don't know about others but I've become quite skeptical over the years so its great to hear about a good out come like yours . 😍😍

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Tanitha in reply toSlowDragon

I keep coming back to antibodies and inflammation and wondering whether I have some inflammation causing my TPO and TG antibodies. My 'weak' Coeliac antibodies disappeared when given b12 injections and as there is a connection between gluten and thyroid it sounds feasible b12 may have addressed that. This limited study on the relationship between antibodies, inflammation and symptoms is interesting:

Thyroid antibodies in Hashimoto’s thyroiditis patients are positively associated with inflammation and multiple symptoms

nature.com/articles/s41598-...

[ Title of paper added by admin to help readers. ]

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toTanitha

Thanks for posting

Really interesting research

A) because they accept TG antibodies as significant

B) looking at leaky gut connection

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Buddy195Administrator

I’ve seen a rheumatologist for arthritis and found it helpful. I had a steroid injection in my hip, which massively helped reduce pain/ inflammation.

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Sparklingsunshine in reply toBuddy195

I'm getting a steroid injection in my foot via podiatry so didnt see much point in seeing a Rheumy. The one I saw in 2008 confirmed Fibro and EDS but then discharged me. He's still working at my hospital. He's a nice man but about as much use as a chocolate teapot.

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Sparklingsunshine in reply toSparklingsunshine

I have mixed feelings about steroid injections. I've had a lot in my time, at the pain clinic I had loads in my neck and shoulders, I've had a couple for elbow tendonitis, frozen shoulder and recently one in my right shoulder for rotator cuff tendonitis.

I find them very hit and miss tbh. My recent one did nothing. I find as well that even if you get a good result it doesnt last. Maybe I'm just unlucky but they arent that great in my experience.

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Goldengirl01

I had to have a fusion of my big toe (cheilectomy) I couldn't walk it was so painful I was told the pain would probably come back this was some years ago and I am still pain free. The big toe is up against the next toe instead of space apart but who cares, I think I wore a hospital shoe for a couple of weeks but it's been so much better no problems since.

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Sparklingsunshine in reply toGoldengirl01

The surgery they proposed is fusing the bones and joints in my arch. Its upto a 12 month recovery and I'd be in plaster for 3 months. Plus there can be complications with infection, permanent nerve damage, permanent swelling or distortion of the foot, or the fusion doesnt work and they have to go back in.

I have caring respnsibilities and dont drive or have access to a car so getting back and forth for hospital appointments or getting around would be very problematic. If I was still in a lot of pain I'd consider it but at the moment the downsides are greatly outweighing the benefits.

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Goldengirl01

ooh that sounds nasty and there are a few minuses to it, I dont blame you doing a wait and see. All the best for the future.

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Sparklingsunshine in reply toGoldengirl01

The podiatric surgeon I saw seemed surprised and a bit miffed that I didnt want the surgery, but then they have no real idea about how difficult the recovery can be, especially when you have no transport. Frankly I didnt really care about his hurt feelings lol.

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Goldengirl01 in reply toSparklingsunshine

I dont know where you live but I would have offered to take you if I was near

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Sparklingsunshine in reply toGoldengirl01

Thanks, that's very kind, you have to keep going back every two weeks or so to get the plaster changed post surgery and they wanted to do the surgery 20 miles away in a different hospital, which is stupid as I have a general hospital 10 minutes away from my home.

There's no common sense left it seems. Doctors just assume everyone has a car or someone to drive them. Its infuriating.

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Goldengirl01 in reply toSparklingsunshine

maybe your hospital didn’t specialise in that particular surgery. It does beggars belief though.x

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Sparklingsunshine in reply toGoldengirl01

Oh no they have a podiatry dept. I had surgery there on my foot there a few years ago. In fact I've been referred back to my local podiatry dept for this steroid injection as I explained travelling a 40 mile round trip on public transport isnt ideal when you've had a jab and they've immobilised your foot in a walking boot. The mind boggles.

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Emaych61

I can sympathise with your experience with rheumatology for EDS. I got referred by a GP to Rheumatology for my HSD/EDS and the person I saw was useless. Everything he told me I already knew and on the aareas I was interested to know more about (problems connected to GI tract, bladder, eyes etc resulting from EDS), he was clueless about; told me I needed to talk to specialists in those areas. He knew how to assess the Hypermobility and what to suggest to help with that and that was it.

Whatever happened to a more generalised knowledge about how the body works as a whole? HSD/EDS doesn’t just affect joints. Apparently some rheumatologists either aren’t aware or have forgotten that.

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