just wondering if these are suitable to take with under active thyroid x
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Not ideal as contains folic acid rather than folate and not the best form of B6, what are you hoping to achieve?
Feroglobin Capsules
I’m trying to get my hair thicker and also thought would be ok cos they have b12 in x
Not ideal as contains folic acid rather than folate and not the best form of B6
It also contains a poor form of B12, as discussed in this link.
perniciousanemia.org/b12/fo...
Also, as a generalisation, people with thyroid disease usually have too much copper and not enough zinc. There are exceptions though, so I would test before taking either. I can only remember coming across one person on this forum who had low copper and high zinc, but it was a long time ago. The more common problem seen in people with thyroid disease is low zinc and high copper.
So, taking zinc is fine for most of us, but I wouldn't want to take a supplement with copper in. When I tested my own zinc and copper, my copper was over the range.
Zinc is mentioned here :
thyroiduk.org/role-of-vitam...
And this link is worth reading :
drjockers.com/copper-zinc-i...
I wouldn't say I had high copper or low zinc as such. My zinc , when tested was 43.09% and copper 35.37%. I have over-range selenium and supplementing it higher reduced zinc to 13.56%. I don't know what my copper reading was when zinc was 13.56%.
Jaydee1507Administrator
Your ferritin was 67 a few months back. ideal ferritin is 90-100 but best to raise it with diet as too much iron is a bad thing.
Have you had an iron panel run and shown to be low?
Yes iron level was 10 whatever that means they said it was fine could these be doing more harm than good then how do I get feratin
You need to look at the whole iron panel, not just the seerum iron. Has it been determined that you need an iron supplement?
No I just thought it would help my hair it’s gone that thin again and you can never chat to a doctor they just say yes everything is fine x
Iron is a very complicated thing which I dont pretend to fully understand. There are several tests which need to be looked at and assessed together.
- Serum iron test, which measures the amount of iron in the blood
- Transferrin test, which measures transferrin, a protein that moves iron throughout the body
- Total iron-binding capacity (TIBC), which measures how well iron attaches to transferrin and other proteins in the blood
- Ferritin blood test, which measures how much iron is stored in the body
If you have those results then do post them for comments. It may well be that you need a supplement and hair loss could be related to low iron but its best to be certain. There are other supplements that would do you far more good should you need a supplement than the Feroglobulin.
Can you recommend any for hair that actually works
If it were determined that you needed an iron supplement then many in this group do well with this product.
threearrowsnutra.com/en-uk/...
Yes they do sound good x
helvellaAdministrator
Vitamin B6 (as Pyridoxine HCl) 5 mg
helvella - Vitamers of Vitamin B6
Some time ago, I mentioned that the form in which we take vitamin B6 is important. I think I linked to this paper below.
Last updated 20/07/2024[
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Iron (as Fumarate) 17 mg
helvella - Iron Document
This is a summary of what I have read up and found out about iron supplements over the past few years. I am not in any way medically trained. You are strongly encouraged to check every detail before making any decisions for yourself.
Last updated 03/10/2024
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That amount of iron is less than prescription products.
Vitamin B12 10 µg
Vitamin B12 (Cyanocobalamin [Carrier: Dicalcium Phosphate])
Even the typical dose advised for those who have simple low dietary intake of B12 would usually get 50 micrograms. And many who feel they have any low B12 issues or difficulty in absorbing B12 take 500 to 1000 micrograms a day.
Whether they are right or not, most who supplement B12 prefer to take a different form - typically methyl-cobalamin but sometimes hydroxo-cobalamin or adenosyl-cobalamin - or even a mixture.
Thankyou I might just go back on my b complex then and I take a vitamin d everyday x
Hi Helvella, what about this supplement?
Feroglobin capsules are not ferritin supplements… there is no such thing… and I always feel like the name of this product is misleading.
That being said - There is not enough iron in these to help just about anyone. Plus as Tigger points out there are some other things in there that you should not be taking without understanding the way it all works together.
But the amounts are so low I think it’s also a concern of wasting money.
That being said - as Jaydee1507 Notes You should not be supplementing iron without a full iron panel.
Just make sure in addition to the iron and ferritin, you included transferrin saturation percent (not just transferrin), and include CRP-hs to ensure inflammation is not impacting your results.
I’m not going to take them anymore thanks for the reply x
Hi, sorry I'm late to this ...For the last 6 months I've been on prescription iron tablets (ferretin) for low iron.
They did not affect my levothyroxine absorption.
I came off them in mid September and have gone back to my supplements tablets which I take for stronger nails and hair. Before having iron tablets, I would take these over the counter supplements and they worked brilliantly.
The brand that I use is perfectil but honestly any prenatal tablet for pregnant women works very well for me. I think it's the biotin that does the trick.
Do check the ingredients - I'm fine with extra magnesium, selenium, B vitamins and folic acid.
I hope this helps xx
Thankyou I will have a look at those x
would a b complex work for hair as well x
As has been said do get your blood work done for a baseline of your needs before supplementing . You can request these from the GP when you have a long term medical condition which can affect your nutrient absorption and levels.You can request your full blood count, Iron/ Ferritin, Folate, kidney function ( electrolytes ), Vitamin B 12 and Vitamin D . Some surgeries will also check your Magnesium.
It is better to take separate sublingual or liposomal supplements if you need them in active forms that are more easily absorbed because they don't require the same level of digestion and metabolism.If you take iron they do suggest that you take it about four hours before or after thyroid medication to prevent any interaction.
Ferrous iron is often harder to absorb and can cause stomach problems and constipation.
An active form, Iron Bisglycinate, like Solgar Gentle Iron is often a better option.
This form of iron isn't available on NHS prescription but it has been well researched and tested in the Netherlands and is the form given there to people with Anaemia and pregnant women. Ferritin and Iron levels were usually higher in people taking this type of iron after 6 months than Ferrous Iron.
It also helped reduce recurring Anaemia because it stores better.
If you take iron , and most of the B vitamins including Folate ( except B12) with Vitamin C it helps you to absorb these vitamins.
If you can't have things like juice , have it after a meal including non acidic Vitamin C foods or you could have a non acidic Vitamin C ( up to 500mg) at the same time.
I usually have Nutraliq non acidic Vitamin C drops ( you can get them from Amazon ) in water with my Iron and Folate.
Many people can have an issue with the MTHFR gene mutation. They are usually recommended to avoid foods fortified with folic acid as it's usually synthetic but to take Methylfolate instead.
Vitamin B 12 is better taken without Vitamin C. Unless you have an issue with Methylated supplements Methylcobalamin is the more natural and more simply absorbed supplement, although some people find they can only tolerate cyanocobalamin. A spray , liposomal liquid, or sublingual supplement left to dissolve under the tongue is usually better absorbed especially if you have low stomach acid or digestive issues.
You can choose to take a B complex spray ( BetterYou has a reasonable option) including B12 with some Vitamin C , but you may also want to take a separate B12 if you are low . You can't overdose on B12.
If you find that you are still B12 Deficienct after three months of oral supplementation, which you can find out by having your B12 retested after being off your supplements for a week, you may require injections.
Some people do have issues with Methylated supplements though , so it can be good to find out if you have that issue if you can . Those people need to take options that are not methylated forms.
BetterYou also do a good option of Vitamin D with K2 spray. Even though it absorbs on the tongue it's better to have it after your fattiest meal of the day to improve metabolism. It can be helpful for people with chronic health issues or older people to take Vitamin D during the winter months.
Lindens do various sublingual options including B12 as an affordable option ( also available via Amazon).
If you require Magnesium, active forms like Magnesium Glycinate and Malate don't effect your stomach and are helpful for nerve pain , although you may need to avoid Magnesium if you have hypotension or low heart rate. Nutrition Geeks make Magnesium Glycinate 3 in 1 which is a good option.
These may not be exactly what each individual needs but it is a general guide based on what I've researched and tested out over the years whilst having functional B12 and Folate Deficiencies and Anaemias , and recurring Vitamin D deficiency because of pancreatic enzyme Insufficiency.
Always check if any supplements are ok to take with whichever medications you may be on as many medications interact with high dose supplements, and take supplements at a separate time to medications.
Also try and include vitamin rich foods in your daily diet as getting most of your nutrients from natural foods is usually better than supplements if you don't have vitamin or mineral Insufficiency that needs treatment. Getting more Vitamin E , Selenium and Zinc in your diet can help improve your hair condition.
One of the best things you can do for your hair is to drink more water and use less products on it to prevent the hair being stripped of natural oils,
Thankyou for taking the time to write a very detailed answer x
