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Hi, I would like some help with interpreting my latest results please with a view to understanding where I go from here. You will see from my profile that I upped my dose of Levo from 25mg to 50mg 2 months ago after advice from this group. Here are my last 3 sets of results which show some but no substantial movement.

All ranges are TSH 0.27-4.2 MU/L T4 12-22pmol/L. T3 3.1-6.8 pmol/L

13th Mar - TSH 4.71 T4 15.8 T 3 4.5 12th July - TSH 4.5 T4 16.6 T3 4.0 22nd Sept - TSH 3.11 T4 16.2 T3 4.3

All tests were taken before 9am, with only water before and more than 24 hrs since last Levo dose and any supplements.

My iron & vitamin levels are all ‘normal’ except for D3 which is now high (102 nmol/L) However, folate (10.6 Ug/L) & Vit B12 (62 pmol/L) are lower than they were in March.

I still feel low energy/tired, have some joint pain, my hair has been shedding a lot in the last few weeks and my nails lift from the nail bed (had this issue for a few years). So not optimal.

My question is, should I look to increase my dose again or stay where I am and see what the results look like in another couple of months? Interesting that my T3 levels are lower than they were in March when I was only on 25mg 🤔

Will be grateful for any guidance you can give.

n.b. My tests for antibodies show they are very low in the normal range

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Those symptoms you mention(joint pain,thinning hair and splitting/lifting nails)are common when under medicated.Some of the admins will hopefully be on soon to advise better but 50mcg is still a very low dose.They will probably advise increase to 75mcg daily then retest in two months.Its also recommended on here that tsh ideally be around 1 and defo no higher than 2.We are all different but I’m just getting back to myself now with tsh of 0.27.

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Flamingo60 in reply toSovietSong

Thank you SovietSong I appreciate your response

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SovietSong in reply toSovietSong

And I should also add that it’s advised on here that both t3 and t4 be approx 75% through the ranges.

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pennyannie

Hello Flamingo :

Once hypothyroid we generally feel best when our T4 is towards/in in the top quadrant of it's range at around 70/80 % as this then should convert to a decent level of T3 tracking behind the T4 at around 60/70 % :

Currently your T4 is at 16.20 with a T3 at 4.30 with a TSH at 3.11 :

Your T4 is at just 42% through the range so suggest you need a dose increase of 25mcg daily T4 and retest in6-8 weeks again.

When T4 is not high enough in the range the body preserves the the T3 reading at the expense of T4 - so the T3/T4 readings can look inverted.

There is little point tracking or looking at T3 / T4 ratios until your T4 is up in the top quadrant and you have enough circulating T4 to readily convert to T3 without causing your body undue stress.

When taking T4 monotherapy the TSH needs to be under 2 and when optimally medicated the TSH will likely be under 1 and towards the bottom end of the TSH range and this will happen as you slowly increase your dose of Levothyroxine.

No thyroid hormone replacement works well until your core strength vitamins and minerals are maintained at optimal -

I now know i need to aim for a ferritin at around 100 : folate around 20 : active B12 75 ++ ( serum B12 500 ++ ) and vitamin D at around 100 :

What was your original diagnosis - sorry - I should have looked back before I started writing and if I do now - I'll loose what I have written.

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Flamingo60 in reply topennyannie

Good morning pennyannie thanks for your help. My initial diagnosis was TSH 9.91 T4 15.3 and T3 1.6 in Sept 21. I was taking 25mg every other day for a while, then upped to 25mg daily until mid July when I increased to 50mg.

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pennyannie in reply toFlamingo60

Yes I've just been ' looking back ' - were antibodies ever run and you health issues due to an Auto Immune thyroid disease ?

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Flamingo60 in reply topennyannie

Yes antibodies were checked at that time and NAD. Had them rechecked in July and the results were Thyroglobulin 32.7 klU/L (0-115) Thyroid Peroxidase <9 klU/L (0-34)

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pennyannie in reply toFlamingo60

If NAD means non found - a thyroid scan would be the most sensible next step so we know your thyroid status.

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FT4: 16.2 pmol/l (Range 12 - 22)

Ft4 only 42.00% through range

FT3: 4.3 pmol/l (Range 3.1 - 6.8)

Ft3 only 32.43% through range

So yes definitely need next dose increase in levothyroxine

Which brand of levothyroxine are you currently taking

What are iron and ferritin results

B12 and folate too low

You need to start supplementing

Low B12 symptoms

b12deficiency.info/signs-an...

methyl-life.com/blogs/defic...

With serum B12 result below 500, (Or active B12 below 70) recommended to be taking a separate B12 supplement and a week later add a separate vitamin B Complex 

Then once your serum B12 is over 500 (or Active B12 level has reached 70), you should be able to reduce then stop the B12 and just carry on with the B Complex.

If Vegetarian or vegan likely to need ongoing separate B12 few times a week

B12 drops

natureprovides.com/products...

Or

B12 sublingual lozenges

uk.iherb.com/pr/jarrow-form...

cytoplan.co.uk/shop-by-prod...

B12 range in U.K. is too wide

Interesting that in this research B12 below 400 is considered inadequate

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Low folate

supplementing a good quality daily vitamin B complex, one with folate in (not folic acid)

This can help keep all B vitamins in balance and will help improve B12 levels too

Difference between folate and folic acid

healthline.com/nutrition/fo...

Many Hashimoto’s patients have MTHFR gene variation and can have trouble processing folic acid.

thyroidpharmacist.com/artic...

B vitamins best taken after breakfast

Thorne Basic B recommended vitamin B complex that contains folate, but they are large capsules. (You can tip powder out if can’t swallow capsule)

Thorne currently difficult to find at reasonable price, should be around £20-£25. iherb.com often have in stock. Or try ebay

Other options

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu....

Igennus B complex popular option too. Nice small tablets. Most people only find they need one per day. But a few people find it’s not high enough dose

IMPORTANT......If you are taking vitamin B complex, or any supplements containing biotin, remember to stop these 7 days before ALL BLOOD TESTS , as biotin can falsely affect test results

endo.confex.com/endo/2016en...

endocrinenews.endocrine.org...

In week before blood test, when you stop vitamin B complex, you might want to consider taking a separate folate supplement (eg Jarrow methyl folate 400mcg) and continue separate B12 until Active B12 is at least over 70

Post discussing how biotin can affect test results

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

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Flamingo60 in reply toSlowDragon

Good morning SlowDragon thanks for your help. I am currently taking Accord Levo. Have previously been on other brands. My iron & ferritin results are: HB 145 g/L ferritin 67 ug/L and TSat 36%.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toFlamingo60

My iron & ferritin results are:

HB 145 g/L

ferritin 67 ug/L

TSat 36%.

Can you please add ranges on these

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Flamingo60 in reply toSlowDragon

There were no ranges given just an indicator of what is considered deficient- HB below 120 g/L. Ferratin below 15 ug/L and TSat below 16%

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toFlamingo60

Look at eating iron rich foods to maintain ferritin at least over 70

Ferritin under 30 is now considered deficient

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Lottyplum in reply toSlowDragon

Just been reading your responses to a number of questions from different people - thankyou so much for sharing your wealth if knowledge! You're more informed than GPs+even the Endi I saw once before she discharged me!! So very grateful to what I am learning from such knowledgeable Admins.❤️

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looking at previous post

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Ferritin was borderline low 2 months ago

Aim to keep at least over 70

You were getting Thyroid antibodies tested

What were results

About 90% of primary hypothyroidism is autoimmune thyroid disease, usually diagnosed by high thyroid antibodies

Autoimmune thyroid disease with goitre is Hashimoto’s

Autoimmune thyroid disease without goitre is Ord’s thyroiditis.

Both are autoimmune and generally called Hashimoto’s.

Low vitamin levels are extremely common when hypothyroid, especially with autoimmune thyroid disease

20% of autoimmune thyroid patients never have high thyroid antibodies and ultrasound scan of thyroid can get diagnosis

In U.K. medics hardly ever refer to autoimmune thyroid disease as Hashimoto’s (or Ord’s thyroiditis)

Looking at your weight ……you may need small increase in levothyroxine 2-3 months after next increase to 75mcg daily

52kg x 1.6mcg = 83mcg as suggested guideline daily dose

83mcg x 7 = 581mcg per week

87.5mcg x 5 days plus 75mcg 2 days = 587mcg per week

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Flamingo60 in reply toSlowDragon

Had my antibodies checked in July the results were Thyroglobulin 32.7 klU/L (0-115) Thyroid Peroxidase <9 klU/L (0-34)

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toFlamingo60

So apparently negative

Have you ever had ultrasound scan of thyroid

20% of Hashimoto's patients never have raised antibodies

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Paul Robson on atrophied thyroid - especially if no TPO antibodies

paulrobinsonthyroid.com/cou...

Gluten intolerance is often a hidden issue

Request coeliac blood test BEFORE considering trial on strictly gluten free diet

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Flamingo60 in reply toSlowDragon

No, I haven’t had a scan. Would it be worth having?

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toFlamingo60

Yes

You might have to test privately if GP won’t agree

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