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Are Urine tests for Thyroid problems available anywhere?

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Many years ago my mother eventually found a solution for her total immobility, weakness, tiredness, and brain fog. It was a thyroid problem. It had not shown up in blood tests.

She wrote the following:-

Myalgic Encephalomyelitis., M.E. to its sufferers.

The continuing story of a recovery

Dear Reader

I want to let you know about a new treatment I have had for my M.E. I had had diagnosed M.E. for 8 and a half years; this was diagnosed by four GPs and two Professors. I was 71 and felt I would be too old to appreciate it if I ever did get better !

I consulted a London Professor. After a few false starts he suggested that I had an URINE test for thyroid function. This test is, at present, only done in Holland.

The results showed very low readings for T3 and T4, though blood tests had never showed anything other than normal and I did not present as a thyroid case (attested to by all the doctors and the professors I had consulted.

My readings were :- T3 184 : - mean ref. value in urine 1400-2500

T4 309 : - mean ref. value in urine 1800--3000

I was prescribed Thyroxin and Tertroxin and, here is the amazing part, two hours after the first dose I felt the M.E symptoms roll away! That was at the end of October 2002 and I am still feeling perfectly normal,now18 months later. I had to get my strength back, of course, as I had had to use an electric buggy to get about, but I could soon walk and suffered only aching legs - not complete flop out and blank head.

The relief was extraordinary: I had got my life back. So I want to let the world know that this thyroid test is something worth trying. I am sure that I cannot be the only person to have 'normal' thyroid tests when they are not normal at all. T3 is not tested in the normal blood test, it is reckoned to be unnecessary if T4 is normal. T4 has to convert to T3: there can be plenty of T4 but if it's not converting, it's not doing its job.

Good luck to all of you, it is well worth a try !

-------------------------------------------------------------- from torty.org.uk/m-e-joy-anthon...

Since then the phone number shown in the link has stopped working.

My mother is now demented in a care home but had many years of a decent life due to her hard work.

I have been disabled by Long Covid since march 2020

My blood tests are fine.

I can't get a Urine test on the NHS.

I am scheduled to have my thyroid removed due to a tumour - possibly cancer

I just wonder if there is some sort of connection here.

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HowNowWhatNow

I remember you writing here before about your mother. I really enjoyed the piece of her writing you posted. Best of luck with your operation.

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I remember you posting about this before …..no not ever seen a urine test listed

Presumably you have googled it

list of private testing companies

thyroiduk.org/help-and-supp...

In your own case have you had FULL thyroid and vitamin testing done

Definitely get this done BEFORE thyroidectomy

Once you have had thyroidectomy you will be on thyroid replacement hormones

You will need OPTIMAL vitamin levels for levothyroxine to work

all thyroid blood tests early morning, ideally just before 9am, only drink water between waking and test

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip)

Private tests are available as NHS currently rarely tests Ft3 or all relevant vitamins

List of private testing options and money off codes

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

Medichecks Thyroid plus antibodies and vitamins

medichecks.com/products/adv...

Blue Horizon Thyroid Premium Gold includes antibodies, cortisol and vitamins

bluehorizonbloodtests.co.uk...

Only do private testing early Monday or Tuesday morning.

Link about thyroid blood tests

thyroiduk.org/getting-a-dia...

Link about Hashimoto’s

thyroiduk.org/hypothyroid-b...

Symptoms of hypothyroidism

thyroiduk.org/wp-content/up...

Tips on how to do DIY finger prick test

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Medichecks and BH also offer private blood draw at clinic near you, or private nurse to your own home…..for an extra fee

Also consider getting Dio2 gene test via Regenerus

regeneruslabs.com/products/...

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Simonron in reply toSlowDragon

Oh many thanks folks. Sadly, Long Covid comes with massive brain fog. I'll try and use this mass of info !

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toSimonron

Or it could be thyroid causing the brain fog

Medichecks currently have 20% off

medichecks.com/products/adv...

Test early Monday or Tuesday morning (preferably not in a heat wave)

Are you currently taking any vitamin supplements?

If yes what exactly

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Hedgeree in reply toSlowDragon

I just did a quick Google...it looks like Genova do a 24 hour urine thyroid test.

I'll try and do a link though my phone's playing up.

gdx.net/uk/search/site?q=Th...

No idea on cost but I seem to remember you need a practitioner to access their tests?

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toHedgeree

Well done

I thought if anyone did one it would be Genova

here it is

gdx.net/uk/core-uk/sample-r...

and instructions

gdx.net/uk/core-uk/kit-inst...

Also one that includes iodine

(perhaps useful for vegans?)

gdx.net/uk/core-uk/sample-r...

gdx.net/uk/core-uk/kit-inst...

Can’t find a price

Can’t order without Thyroid U.K. or a registered practitioner

see here

thyroiduk.org/help-and-supp...

helvella diogenes

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kushami36

Simonron, have you tried to see an autonomic specialist? Autonomic dysfunction seems fairly common in Long Covid. (I have autonomic dysfunction myself from a different cause.)

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I have a vague memory that diogenes posted about urinary thyroid tests some considerable time ago.

Not meaning to put words into his mouth, but I think that kidney issues make it an unsatisfactory approach to testing - at least for thyroid hormones. But I hope he notices and is able to reply here.

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helvellaAdministrator in reply tohelvella

Here are some previous threads with a variety of opinions and experiences.

urine tests for T3, T4 and Iodine and minerals

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Reliability or otherwise of T4/T3 measurements in urine

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Could I have some help with results please?

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Thyroid urine test

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Thyroid Urinary Profile test;better than blood thyroid test!

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

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humanbean in reply tohelvella

I hate to point this out but the youngest of those links is 7 years old.

I wonder why most urine tests seem to have gone the way of the dodo. Even when they were available I never ordered one because I had no idea how to interpret the results and couldn't find any help on the subject anywhere.

I did find this :

tpauk.com/main/article/the-...

and it has lots of references. But it doesn't really get me very far in terms of interpretation of results.

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helvellaAdministrator in reply tohumanbean

Yes - they are old!

Urine tests have always been difficult (or impossible) to find. And interpretation has always been difficult or impossible.

I think the age of the links implies something about accessible of urine tests!

Still hoping diogenes might be around and reply at some point.

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jade_s in reply tohelvella

Even the anti-aging docs of Dr H in Brussels don't do thyroid testing like that. I had a urine test when I first visted them in 2011, and they tested sex hormones, steroid hormones, and minerals, but not thyroid hormones. For that, they did the standard serum free's. FWIW!

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diogenesRemembering in reply tohelvella

Here is the paper describing the problems of urine testing.

Ned Tijdschr Geneeskd . 2007 Dec 22;151(51):2813-5.

[Determining the thyroid hormones T3 and T4 in the urine: an unreliable test for hypothyroidism]]

W M Wiersinga 1 , E Fliers

PMID: 18237046

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diogenesRemembering in reply tohelvella

Here is the paper describing the problems of urine testing.

Ned Tijdschr Geneeskd . 2007 Dec 22;151(51):2813-5.

[Determining the thyroid hormones T3 and T4 in the urine: an unreliable test for hypothyroidism]]

W M Wiersinga 1 , E Fliers

PMID: 18237046

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Simonron in reply todiogenes

Interesting - that could explain a lot, nut not why my mother got better :-(

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helvellaAdministrator in reply todiogenes

Thank you, diogenes.

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Simonron

More many thanks folk. I don't have the strength to do anything with this info as yet - but I shall asap!

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