I was on Nutri Adrenal, but over the past couple of months, I have been slowly switching to Nutricology. It hasn’t been easy, but I am almost there. By the end of the month, Nutricology will be fully established and I am hoping that it will settle quickly and I shall, once again, feel comfortable.
However, I understand that Nutricology is stronger than Nutri Adrenal, and since I would prefer not to take more of the tablet , than I need, I would be really , really grateful for any input you are able to give
Your help, guidance and experience, would be much appreciated. Thank you.
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thanks for your reply Radd, but it hasn’t been all that comfortable. I still have another 100mg to add, which will be awful for the first 4/5 days, then symptoms ease.
Do you have Nutricology and how many capsules do you have?
I have had such difficulty trying to find information on Nutricology . I found a few clinics who sold the product, but knew nothing about it,……So if you know the maximum of. capsules that are recommended for good adrenal support, I would appreciate it ? Thank you again Radd.
I don't I'm afraid. I have tried glandulars on numerous occasions and can not get on with them. I seem to remember Dr P giving me this regime to follow ..... nutri-meds.com/adrenal-guide/
Why don't you just take like-for-like as they contain the same amount as the Nutri Adrenal .. nutricology.com/content/288...
I was under the impression that you had high cortisol because I thought you've mentioned in a past post that you've used ashwagandha to improve your adrenals.???
If so, wouldn't taking a glandular make things worse with someone that had high cortisol?
Oh gosh Imaaan, I had low cortisol at every sample for many many years, accompanied with low DHEA and low aldosterone, and numerous saliva test results taken along to Dr P.
Cortisol and DHEA elevated over several years with T3 and HRT. It is absolutely amazing how adrenals respond when the right supports are put in place and exactly why conventional medicine don't take any notice unless there is a presence of diseased adrenal glands.
Aldosterone has never been retested and I still get the awful thirst so suspect there is some issue that has been misunderstood. I live with it. Now cortisol gets too high 🙄 when I can't sleep, etc, or maybe it's the high that inhibits my sleep. I've had some other life problems including a stroke in 2021 and major shoulder surgery this time last year. I went from working well for a while to all over the place again 😬.
I love ashwagandha as it calms me. Its my definite 'go-to' and I take a proper dose in an unregulated cyclical fashion, eg for a few weeks when I think I need it. Then I rest but always have a little going on in background matcha teas, etc.
I'm sorry to hear about your stroke and shoulder surgery. Thanks for taking the time to respond and your help is much appreciated on this forum. Wishing you better health and much happiness.
No, I’ve never had high cortisol. I took Ashwaghanda, prescribed by a private specialist. And took it for about three years. It put my cortisol down . I then went to see Dr P. who advised me that I take Nutri Adrenal, but as I liked the Ashwaghanda, I should stay on them and of course that further lowered my cortisol. So definitely not High Cortisol !!
thank you very much Radd. I rarely seem to get advice on HU. But that has been very helpful. As you say Nutricology is a very similar product to Nutri Adrenal, so thought that would be a comfortable switch. I did check out Nutricology, and it seemed a very solid company, and easy to get hold of the product in different parts of the country, and carefully monitored, so that they don’t run out ! It also seems to be stronger than the Nutri Adrenal was. Nutri adrenal had got weaker in the last couple of years !
I’m sorry to bother you, especially , as it’s just over a week since you last answered my Post, but I wonder if you could just answer me another question on the raising up of Nutricology and dropping of Nutri Adrenal ?
I am starting to have periods of exhaustion, low blood sugar, and tears near the surface, generally less energy.
Would you think I could be on enough of the Nutricology, (400mg), which would leave me with 100mg of Nutri Adrenal still to drop. However I was told that Nutri Adrenal was a weaker product ?
I have bought a Saliva test, but that will take 2-3 weeks to come back, plus I’m not sleeping that well at present, for the AM cortisol saliva test. …….
It is so hard to assess what is under and what over in these situations, and I think that includes the thyroid and the adrenal picture as well ?
Thank you in advance, Radd, you have been so valuable to me in past times, and always come up with excellent advice.!!!!!
I'm sorry I can't advise any further regarding the glandulars becausue as said above I didn't get on with them. Are you taking thyroid meds as well? Could it be that these are too low?
thank you , I had a feeling you would say that, and I quite understand. I have made an appointment for a thyroid blood test with my G.P. I had to put up a fight, but managed to get one in a weeks time in the end. Phew!
I would rather be on Adrenavive, but tried them twice, and they gave me GI , - really upset me. And so don’t think there is any anlternative !
Sorry to have troubled you and thank you for your input.
Have you thought maybe you are having too much adrenal glandulars? I know Dr P used say you could take numerous (is it upto 10 or something? 🤷♀️) but looking at your previous posts your cortisol went high at one stage so your adrenals are responsive. It might be better to wait for the saliva test resulst to see what is going on.
Anyway, post your thyroid hormone results when you get them because they won't be so long and we all like to offer our experience(s) and support one another. I hope your glandular journey improves.
Well I have now got both sets of results back , and it has left me very unhappy!! My blood test was :- TSH 0.01 T4 18.1, T3 5.2 .- In my previous result in January my T3 was 5.6. I was more comfortable with that . So I can see that I could put up my Armour by 1/4 grain. But my adrenal results were not good enough and I think I need to increase by some more Nutricology. However I have tried on two separate occasions to put up the Nutricology by 1/2 a tablet (50mg). And had night time Palpitations and no sleep and felt exhausted all day.
Cortisol AM 12 nmol/ Cortisol Noon 1.8 nmol Cortisol Evening 2.7 nmol Cortisol Night 2.8 nmol
DHEA 75.
I’m sorry I couldn’t get the Cortisol Graph on here, but I hope you can help through my figures. Basically my Cortisol drops from AM - Noon. I wondered if I should just try increasing the Nutricology by a 1/4 of the tablet? I also wondered if I should increase the Armour at the same time as trying to increase the Nutricology. ? I know it’s something we shouldn’t do, but I would really love the benefit of your knowledge and experience ?
I’m so sorry Radd, my answer to you was not good enough. Unfortunately I was rushing it. It was a day full of anxiety !!! I will make results clearer !!
I hope that is helpful. I can see I need to take some more thyroid meds, but can I increase thyroid meds while still increasing my Adrenal meds ?
I was only going to take 1/2 of a 1/4 grain tablet ? In fact I’m thinking of trying to increase my Nutricology by only a quarter of a capsule to see if that will cut out the night time Palpitations, for the first few increases anyway?
I’m just trying to add the last 100mg of Nutricology so that I can drop the last 100mg of my Nutri Adrenal ?
You have no need to apologise as we are all in this together 😊.
TSH 0.01 (0.27–4.20 )
FT4 18.1 (12–22) - 60%
FT.3 5.2 (3.1–6.8 ) - 56.76%
These results would suit me fine although some prefer their numbers higher to feel well. However, with adrenal issues it can be difficult to get replacement meds working efficiently until cortisol raises, and so we have the chicken and egg situation but raising meds isn't always the answer.
If this were me and knowing how long you have been ill, I would concentrate all efforts on the adrenals and leave thyroid meds alone as switching doses about is more stress to the adrenals in itself.
Your free cortisol is very low and even under-range in the lunchtime sample. Under-range free DHEA evidences this to be a long term issue. Has the report categorised your results as stage 3? With regards to the adrenal support, if this new glandular isn’t working for you, you could try another or switch to adaptogens which is how I raised my cortisol & DHEA, together with T3 and HRT.
Have you ever had a 9am blood cortisol test?
Have you got low BP, or sudden low BP when you stand up?
Are you still having periods or are (peri/post)menopausal? Have you had sex hormones tested?
thanks for your reply, I’m so grateful to have your help ! My adrenal phase is 2 . And I think I ought to tell you that I am 80 later this year, which I think would rule out HRT and is also one reason why my DHEA is reduced. Although in my January Saliva test my DHEA was 45, so it has gone up to 75 through this recent change in cortisol capsules. I don’t suppose my GP would want to test my sex hormones ? Though I do see a homeopath occasionally and she has very recently given me some homeopathic oestrogen, and I have felt some difference from it ! No, I don’t have low blood pressure, in fact I find I get anxious easily with flushing of the face and the thyroid part of the neck also flushes at the same time which worries me.
Plus my hands always have a slight tremor. Though I guess that again is a weakness of the adrenals.
I am going to continue on a (low basis) to try and increase the final 100mg of Nutricology, dropping the 100mg of Nutri Adrenal at the same time. I was originally on 500 of Nutri Adrenal, and am only on 400mg of the Nutricology . So as you see I probably should try and make the difference up ?
One thing I do feel I would benefit from, would be some thing like a tonic that would bolster the adrenals. Is there any thing you could suggest? What got my adrenals down in the first place was taking Ashwaghanda, so I’m worried about doing that again. I was prescribed it by a very expensive functional doctor who said I would be fine on it for a few years. Well that was wrong information for me as that’s what dropped the adrenals. I found out from Google that you should have breaks in adaptogens? But if there is anything else you could suggest I’d appreciate it ? There is one support I recently saw advertised called Liposomal R-lipoic acid (LRL), any good? I really don’t want to start changing glandulars any more! I feel I’m getting too old for that !
Well, oh my goodness, and well done you for advocating so well for yourself.
A tremor can also be from excess T3, and not because you are over loading meds but your body is unable to utilise what you have taken without adequate cortisol and why I suggested maybe don’t raise your meds yet.
Yes, I see you want to make up the difference to equal a measure similar to your previous glandular dose but be aware you are supplementing a different brand and so strengths may differ slightly or the way it works with your body. Also, I know you say you don't wish to switch brands again but some members better tolerate taking just adrenal cortex that contain only corticosteroids and so no adrenaline that can make some jittery.
Adaptogens can be powerful and I’m not sure it a good idea to supplement without first establishing glandular tolerance/dose. SeasideSusie says Ashwagandha lowered her cortisol drastically too but it has always been my go-to for years, but only ever taken in a cyclical fashion. I agree adaptogens shouldn’t be taken consistently long term, and they all have very specific ways of working not always suited to all.
You can't really compare ALA (LRL) to an adaptogen as is an antioxidant made by the body. I took large doses when chelating after amalgam removal, and it is in a combo anti- inflammatory I take to reduce oxidative stress (for my iron overload). I think it good as an additional supplement to the glandular.
For an adrenal tonic have you considered good old fashioned Vit C that adrenals love? I take Seeking Health Vit C powder in a daily drink (2.6g). Also extra salt (if you haven't got elevated BP). Some members take an 'Adrenal Cocktail' drink made with cream of tartar but I make it with coconut milk à la Isabella Wentz' recipe (orange juice, tinned coconut milk, sea salt, pea protein powder).
You can also make a 'Sole' which is basically just a jar of filtered water saturated with good quality clean salt (such as Maldon) to add to drinks or recipes. (I also use this as a mouth wash after teeth cleaning 😬). Dr Myhill does a wonderful salt that contains everything called Sunshine Salt, although it can be difficult to get hold of. She also does a Multi Mineral Mix powder that you can drink or use transdermally.
Thank you for your encouragement, but I have not done that well over the past six years and Covid was a struggle! I have seen three Functional Doctors, all of whom gave me advice/treatment, which did me more harm than good, so for the past couple of years, I have been reluctant to trust any other professional!
As you say, the ‘tremors’ are likely to be too much T3, but I am hesitant about cutting back, as I have tears near the surface, most of the time, as it is. Turning to Adrenal support, I am alert to the difference between the two glandulars I am currently taking - switching from one to the other - as I experience side effects, each time I change the levels. Another HU member informed me that she had found that Nutricology was the stronger of the two and I would currently agree.
Nevertheless, my body - plus Saliva Test results! - does make it very clear to me that support for the adrenals needs to be increased and then sustained. Also, I take1 Thorne Adrenal Cortex capsule at lunchtime and I may increase the dose to two, as I have no problem with them at all. However, I do not see them replacing Nutricology, once it is established as my prime support.
Adrenavive was recommended to me a while ago, which I trialled on two separate occasions , but they really upset me. That is my history of involvement with glandular support, but in all of the journey I cannot say that I have felt ‘jittery’ at any time. As to the Adaptogen route, I am a tad nervous to embrace it, again, as ‘professional’ advice sadly failed me by omitting to tell me to take breaks now and again, to avoid suppression! It is such a shame, as Ashwaghanda really seemed to suit me.
Additionally, I take 2.5mg of Vitamin C and have, recently, decided to add in Adrenal Cocktails - 2/3 days per week - with Maldonado Sea Salt, Cream of Tartar and Orange Juice. Could I ask if you would recommend taking it more often for best results and ‘Yes’, I am always careful to keep my basic nutrients optimised!
Sunshine Salt has been part of my diet for some time, now, and it is good to get a balanced mix of minerals. To date, I have never had a problem with supply and, hopefully, this will continue. I may, also, look at taking Seeking Health Vitamin C powder; not sure, yet, as I do not want to develop loose bowels by taking too much of the vitamin!!
But, I am going to purchase some Pea Protein - on order! - and add it to my daily menu: have never heard of it before, so a big big ‘thank you’ for the suggestion! Am sure it will be beneficial to me, as I am so needy of protein, in the morning. Could I ask, how much powder you put into your cocktail? Finally, I am unsure about the ALA(LRL), as I noticed one of the ingredients was an Adaptogen.
I do hope, I have not bombarded, with too much information, but, again, my thanks for all your help, especially, with the PPP suggestion!!
I do apologise for coming back coming back to you, since your last weeks reply to me, but would like to ask you one more question, and I am thinking you would be the most experienced to answer my dilemma? I know I need to increase my Nutricology, but I have tried twice in the last 10 days and had night time Palpitations, and feel awful.
In the last couple of weeks I have started to have a red flushed face and my neck is red in the shape of the thyroid and It is frightening me ! What could it be? And what would you suggest is my problem ?
If you have Hashi, I have read that glandulars can irritate the thyroid gland through a process known as molecular mimicry (a bit like gluten intolerance).
If raising the glandulars is making you feel unwell, then don’t raise them any further. As said above they are a different brand and so could have different components that aren’t agreeing so well with you. If I was you, I would be looking at other ways to support the adrenals.
You are already practicing the usual supports and don’t want to take adaptogens so why not try improving gut health, eg improve your microbiome and absorption, secretion of gastric acid and bile, etc. This link is interesting …. drjockers.com/heal-leaky-gu...
yes I do have Hashi, I think I probably have less increases to go now, so making a change, would very probably upset me all over again, to some degree. I am very sensitive. So I’m sure a change will disturb my system . I’ve been raising them up slowly since February. What I have been doing is not increases the glandular ‘ s as much as I was, because I have been having Nighttime palpitations, so thought that was too much for my system. However I have since heard from a fellow member that she had palpitations whenever her adrenals needed help. That was news to me. So I shall just carry on with the glandulars, and hope the palpitations will eventually disappear!
Thank you for the link, excellent. My gut is very good now though. I take Biocare bio- dophilus FOS.
Over recent days I have been seriously thinking of taking an adaptogen, could you recommend one to me? I think I would only have the courage to take them for a shortish period of time. How long did you take yours ? Ashwaghanda was very comfortable for me, but I’d love to hear how you got on with whichever supplement you used ?
SeasideSusie and I became friends when we both went down with Adrenal deficiency. We wrote comforting emails to each other for a couple of years, showing pictures of each others sea side towns and our lives in general. I’m sorry to say we’ve slowly drifted apart now. I do miss her or even having an HU pen pal !
Thank you Radd, for you kindness and your experienced help !
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Glandular meds for cortisol anybody?
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