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NICE and NHS Guidelines - Links to useful bits!

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NICE and NHS Guidelines

This is undoubtedly at some point going to be revised by NICE and the NHS, so if this post becomes out of date AND I haven't realised, please give me a BIG PROD and I will UPDATE - keep me on my toes ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜˜

Here are some very important links - They have latitude to treat symptoms.

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cks.nice.org.uk/topics/hypo...

Hypothyroidism:

How should I assess a person with suspected hypothyroidism?

Last revised in May 2021

Check the serum thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH) level, using clinical judgement to interpret thryoid function test (TFT) results, especially if TFTs do not match the clinical presentation.

So the above is just a small excerpt, BUT! if you read the entire section there enough different possible issues listed that TSH might not agree but it is not OVERTLY stated. Clinical Judgement.....

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bnf.nice.org.uk/treatment-s...

Aims of treatment

The aims of treatment are to alleviate symptoms, align thyroid function tests within or close to the reference range, and to reduce the risk of long-term complications.

Management of primary hypothyroidism

Explain to patients, and their family or carers if appropriate, that: Some patients may feel well even when their thyroid function tests are outside the reference range; Even when they have no symptoms, treatment may be advised to reduce the risk of long-term complications; Symptoms may lag behind treatment changes for several weeks to months.

So they are acknowledging in this section that symptoms do not always agree with blood tests - thank you very much!

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This next link relates to prescribing and I used it to good effect when arguing to have my levothyroxine upped.

According to the doctor I spoke to, I was 'NORMAL' when on 75ug of levothyroxine (because I was in range). I was also 'NORMAL' at 100ug, 125ug and 150ug, though granted TSH was below range. However my Free T4 and T3 were unequivocally within range all the way so I used the "room in the range for a dose increase" rationale to get to my 150ug dose.

The guideline dosing by weight of 1.6ug per Kg allowed me to get to therapeutic dose. But a GUIDE is a guide - it is different for everyone.

cks.nice.org.uk/topics/hypo...

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And something they never talk about, because I donโ€™t think half of them know about it is the concerns around hypothyroidism and statins which are in the guidelines. Statins can cause tissue damage in people with hypothyroidism. The sad part about it is, statins are generally already being prescribed to the patient before a hypothyroidism diagnosis, somewhat like the antidepressants. As an aside anyone coming to this post as a newbie depression is one of the most common symptoms of hypothyroidism and also people who have under medicated hypothyroidism.

nhs.uk/conditions/statins/c...

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There is plenty enough conflicting advice in all of the guidelines to realise that they havenโ€™t really got a handle on what should be done and they cover themselves by saying go with symptoms (if all else fails), but sadly doctors do not feel confident enough to do so. The lack of confidence should not impinge on your treatment, and you can push and go by your symptoms to get to a therapeutic dose of levothyroxine.

There is nothing more satisfying than slowly reading the guidelines and seeing the opportunities. There is also a good deal of up to date research being posted regularly which may not fall on such deaf doctor ears if you first soften them up with the contradictions/latitude in their own Guidelines, written in, I believe, for a reason.๐Ÿ˜‰๐Ÿ‘

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radd

C-F,

This is great info, especially for newbies. Well done.

Maybe it should be pinned?

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RedAppleAdministrator in reply to radd

'tis done ๐Ÿ˜Š

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Charlie-Farley in reply to radd

Thank you radd ๐Ÿ˜Š

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Marz

Thank you !

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Zephyrbear

Thank you so much for doing all of this! Iโ€™m sure this will go a long way to helping people get the treatment they need.

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Charlie-Farley

if they canโ€™t be 100% sure of the tests they logically have to look at symptoms.

It is totally fair to ask the question,

โ€œSo are you treating me with a view to alleviating symptoms, or playing get the test results within range game?โ€

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SarahJane1471 in reply to Charlie-Farley

now that is a great sentence to use!!

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Charlie-Farley in reply to SarahJane1471

And even better when typo corrected - I keep hitting โ€™iโ€™ when I want an โ€˜oโ€™ ๐Ÿ˜‚

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Litatamon

*I used the "room in the range for a dose increase" rationale to get to my 150ug dose."*

So flippin' helpful. I feel like I have found gold! I will be having that one on auto-reply.

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Charlie-Farley in reply to Litatamon

๐Ÿค— Iโ€™ve got a post with how I did my reports to the GPs and I love the telecon- I think I may have made a post on that too. ๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ‘

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Charlie-Farley

Hi All

These are some very useful links to support NOT using TSH to dose - All credit to ย tattybogle

This one is useful when asking for a dose increase if TSH is still over 1 (also has references supporting 9 am test/ 24 hrs from last dose levo ) :

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

This one is useful for resisting a dose reduction for patients feeling well with TSH 0.04 - 0.4 ( also contains evidence that long term supressed TSH on levo did not significantly effect bone density .. also contains a link to the recent concern's about high levels of T4 ) :

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

This one explains the Shoe Size Analogy ~ (why 'normal' fT4 on levo may not be 'optimal') and how TSH Feedback / Feedforward works ( the HPT axis) :

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

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tattybogle in reply to Charlie-Farley

Guideline for GETTING PRESCRIBED THE SAME BRAND of Levothyroxine consistently ,and AVOIDING BRANDS WHICH CAUSE YOU PROBLEMS :

MHRA Drug Safety Update.

From:

Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency

Published

19 May 2021

gov.uk/drug-safety-update/l...

"Levothyroxine: new prescribing advice for patients who experience symptoms on switching between different levothyroxine products

If a patient reports persistent symptoms when switching between different levothyroxine tablet formulations, consider consistently prescribing a specific product known to be well tolerated by the patient. If symptoms or poor control of thyroid function persist (despite adhering to a specific product), consider prescribing levothyroxine in an oral solution formulation.

Advice for healthcare professionals:

~ generic prescribing of levothyroxine remains appropriate for the majority of patients and the licensing of these generic products is supported by bioequivalence testing

~ a small proportion of patients treated with levothyroxine report symptoms, often consistent with thyroid dysfunction, when their levothyroxine tablets are changed to a different product โ€“ these cases are noted in UK professional guidelines

~ if a patient reports symptoms after changing their levothyroxine product, consider testing thyroid function

~ if a patient is persistently symptomatic after switching levothyroxine products, whether they are biochemically euthyroid or have evidence of abnormal thyroid function, consider consistently prescribing a specific levothyroxine product known to be well tolerated by the patient

~ if symptoms or poor control of thyroid function persist despite adhering to a specific product, consider prescribing levothyroxine in an oral solution formulation

~ report suspected adverse reactions to levothyroxine medicines, including symptoms after switching products, to the Yellow Card scheme"

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