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Hi all,

I had private results that I took to the gp- who then retested on nhs. Due to the lovely people here I knew to ask for vitamin levels too.

TSH 14.5 (0.3-4)

Ft4 9.5 (10-22)

Tpox antibodies 225 (0-34)

So similar to private results, but tsh worse, which figures as symptoms much worse. I like to be prepared so first question; I’m asking for at least 50 something or other units of levothyroxine as a starter right? And if suggest 25 dose, then say I’ve no history of heart problems and tsh fairly high?

Vit D 45 (50-175)

B12 616 (191- 663)

Folate 2.5 (3.89-26.8)

Ferritin 44 (15-150)

Normally I’d let the gp suggest what to do, but perhaps I’m a little more wise now. So second question; can I expect gp/nhs to help optimise these levels? Do I sort out Levi first and vitamins after? Tackle one at a time as well as starting Levi? Which one first/ most important? Try getting them all right at once?

Thank you for reading and all advise so far.

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Approx how old are you?

Approx how much do you weigh in kilo

Standard starter dose of levothyroxine is 50mcg….unless over 65 years old

More recent guidelines suggest starting at higher level as an option…..so GP might suggest starting at 1.6mcg per kilo of your weight

But if been hypothyroid a long time before diagnosis or if vitamin levels are low (yours are) it’s probably best to start on 50mcg levothyroxine

Unless you know you’re lactose intolerant, avoid starting on Teva brand levothyroxine (it upsets many people)

Many people find Levothyroxine brands are not interchangeable.

Teva contains mannitol as a filler, which seems to be possible cause of problems. Teva is the only brand that makes 75mcg tablet. So if avoiding Teva for 75mcg dose ask for 25mcg to add to 50mcg or just extra 50mcg tablets to cut in half

But for some people (usually if lactose intolerant, Teva is by far the best option)

Teva, or Aristo (100mcg only) are the only lactose free tablets

Most easily available (and often most easily tolerated) are Mercury Pharma or Accord

Mercury Pharma make 25mcg, 50mcg and 100mcg tablets

Accord is also boxed as Almus via Boots, and Northstar 50mcg and 100mcg via Lloyds ....but Accord doesn’t make 25mcg tablets

beware 25mcg Northstar is Teva

List of different brands available in U.K.

thyroiduk.org/if-you-are-hy...

Once you find a brand that suits you, best to make sure to only get that one at each prescription.

Watch out for brand change when dose is increased or at repeat prescription.

academic.oup.com/jcem/artic...

Physicians should: 1) alert patients that preparations may be switched at the pharmacy; 2) encourage patients to ask to remain on the same preparation at every pharmacy refill; and 3) make sure patients understand the need to have their TSH retested and the potential for dosing readjusted every time their LT4 preparation is switched (18).

Levothyroxine is an extremely fussy hormone and should always be taken on an empty stomach and then nothing apart from water for at least an hour after

Many people take Levothyroxine soon after waking, but it may be more convenient and perhaps more effective taken at bedtime

verywellhealth.com/best-tim...

No other medication or supplements at same as Levothyroxine, leave at least 2 hour gap.

Some like iron, calcium, magnesium, HRT, omeprazole or vitamin D should be four hours away

(Time gap doesn't apply to Vitamin D mouth spray)

If you normally take levothyroxine at bedtime/in night ...adjust timings as follows prior to blood test

If testing Monday morning, delay Saturday evening dose levothyroxine until Sunday morning. Delay Sunday evening dose levothyroxine until after blood test on Monday morning. Take Monday evening dose levothyroxine as per normal

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Dandelade in reply to SlowDragon

Hi slow dragon,

I’m 42 and 83kg.

Thank you for detailed response too!

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Dandelade

So GP should at very least start you on 50mcg levothyroxine

Retesting 6-8 weeks after each dose increase

ALWAYS retest as early as possible in morning before eating or drinking anything other than water and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test

Dose often has to be increased SLOWLY upwards in 25mcg steps over several months

Likely to need to be eventually be on 125mcg levothyroxine

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Low vitamins

GP should prescribe folic acid for folate deficiency

And 1600iu vitamin D daily for 6 months for low vitamin D

Meanwhile look at increasing iron rich foods in diet to help improve low ferritin

Eating iron rich foods like liver or liver pate once a week plus other red meat, pumpkin seeds and dark chocolate, plus daily orange juice or other vitamin C rich drink can help improve iron absorption

List of iron rich foods

dailyiron.net

Links about iron and ferritin

irondisorders.org/too-littl...

davidg170.sg-host.com/wp-co...

Great in-depth article on low ferritin

oatext.com/iron-deficiency-...

drhedberg.com/ferritin-hypo...

This is interesting because I have noticed that many patients with Hashimoto’s disease and hypothyroidism, start to feel worse when their ferritin drops below 80 and usually there is hair loss when it drops below 50.

Thyroid disease is as much about optimising vitamins as thyroid hormones

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

restartmed.com/hypothyroidi...

Post discussing just how long it can take to raise low ferritin

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

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Dandelade in reply to SlowDragon

Slow dragon you are mine of information! It’s exactly what I need thank you.

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NHS Guidelines on dose vitamin D required

ouh.nhs.uk/osteoporosis/use...

GP will often only prescribe to bring vitamin D levels to 50nmol. Some CCG areas will prescribe to bring levels to 75nmol or even 80nmol

leedsformulary.nhs.uk/docs/...

GP should advise on self supplementing if over 50nmol, but under 75nmol (but they rarely do)

mm.wirral.nhs.uk/document_u...

But with Hashimoto’s, improving to around 80nmol or 100nmol by self supplementing may be better

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/218...

vitamindsociety.org/pdf/Vit...

Once you Improve level, very likely you will need on going maintenance dose to keep it there.

Test twice yearly via NHS private testing service when supplementing

vitamindtest.org.uk

Vitamin D mouth spray by Better You is very effective as it avoids poor gut function. There’s a version made that also contains vitamin K2 Mk7

amazon.co.uk/BetterYou-Dlux...

It’s trial and error what dose we need, with hashimoto’s we frequently need higher dose than average

Vitamin D and thyroid disease

grassrootshealth.net/blog/t...

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