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What to do next? Swollen thyroid, normal blood tests

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Hi,

I had blood tests on 02.12 and intervals were as follows:

TRab: 3.47, normal: <1.75

FT3: 3.6, normal 3.1-6.8

FT4: 15.6, normal 12-22

So these are in range but I continue to have a goiter every 3 weeks. It swells, then un-swells and so on. Breathlessness and ear pressure and numbness. Is it possible that the thyroid is pressing on ear structures?

Last doctor I contacted (today) told me I should have an ultrasound otherwise she can't do anything, maybe I have nodules. I can't have one as everyone around me has coronavirus so I'm afraid of hospitals especially!

however I don't get why it swells when my blood tests have been in range for 3 months now almost.

Thanks for any advice!

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Reading previous posts.....are you currently taking anti thyroid medication

If so looks like it needs reducing a little

ESSENTIAL to get all four vitamins optimal

They were appalling in previous posts

Are you currently on strictly gluten free diet?

If not get coeliac blood test done first before starting

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Someome in reply to SlowDragon

haven't been taking anything in these last 3 months. But somehow I always catch the thyroid levels in range when I get the blood tests. And trab levels seem to go down on their own. I'm not strictly on a gluten free diet, though I've tried to avoid gluten since I know it helps many!

I actually have my vit d at a 28 level, where optimal is from 30 above and the doctor I talked to today said I should reduce my supplement since it can get stored in tissues and be too much. I just threw money out the window today with that consultation.

However I'm taking multivitamins and feel pretty good except for this swelling :(

Would a coeliac test help if I've felt fine most of my life besides this year? I don't have diarrhea, gas or other intestinal issues.

thanks

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Someome

If you are already on low gluten diet don’t bother with coeliac test

With Hashimoto’s and Graves’ disease we frequently develop leaky gut...holes in gut that allow food particles through....gluten is a particular protein...causing molecular mimicary

chriskresser.com/the-gluten...

amymyersmd.com/2018/04/3-re...

Vitamin D needs to be at least 80-100nmol that’s around 40ng/ml

endmemo.com/medical/unitcon...

Multivitamins not recommended on here. Better to test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12 regularly and supplement accordingly

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Someome

Four months ago your ferritin was 16...up from 9

Still a long way to go to be acceptable

Eating iron rich foods like liver or liver pate once a week plus other red meat, pumpkin seeds and dark chocolate, plus daily orange juice or other vitamin C rich drink can help improve iron absorption

List of iron rich foods

dailyiron.net

Links about iron and ferritin

irondisorders.org/Websites/...

Great in-depth article on low ferritin

oatext.com/iron-deficiency-...

drhedberg.com/ferritin-hypo...

This is interesting because I have noticed that many patients with Hashimoto’s disease and hypothyroidism, start to feel worse when their ferritin drops below 80 and usually there is hair loss when it drops below 50.

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Thyroid disease is as much about optimising vitamins as thyroid hormones

Helpful post about iron supplements and testing

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

restartmed.com/hypothyroidi...

Post about iron supplements

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Post discussing just how long it can take to raise low ferritin

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Never supplement iron without doing full iron panel test for anaemia first

Post discussing why important to do full iron panel test

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Recommend getting B12 and folate levels tested

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Someome in reply to SlowDragon

it's just so complex that I just doubt any doctor will look thoroughly at all these things which just makes me trust them less...

Link irondisorders.org/Websites/... is not working (just thought Id let you know).

However, isn't it weird how gluten is found in basically most things, but it does so much damage?

Also I see that a lot of articles and people say that even if in range, for example ferritin might be low.

Why do labs put a certain normal interval there but it's actually not the whole interval that is normal?

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Someome

Doctors usually only test and treat deficiencies

A nutritionist would be more interested in maintaining optimal vitamin levels (but often expensive and not necessarily aware of thyroid issues and gut)

Down to us as individuals to learn and understand importance of optimal levels

Thanks for pointing out iron link not working

Here’s new links

davidg170.sg-host.com/wp-co...

irondisorders.org/too-littl...

Modern diet is extremely gluten rich. Modern wheat also less tolerated by many people. Often mildly gluten intolerant people can eat ancient grains like spelt especially as sourdough

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It’s possible to have Hashimoto’s and Graves’ disease at once

Have you had blood testing for Hashimoto’s

TPO and TG thyroid antibodies

Or an ultrasound scan of thyroid

With both Hashimoto’s and Graves’ disease together, this is usually managed by endocrinologist with block (Carbimazole) and replace (levothyroxine)

Your current Ft4 and Ft3 are too low. Your tending to be hypothyroid on Carbimazole. So either dose needs reducing, or endocrinologist could add levothyroxine as well

Ft4 and Ft3 should be at least 50-60% through range

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Someome in reply to SlowDragon

thankfully TG antibodies are negative. Same with TPO. And I thought that maybe i get insufficient iodine (hence goiter), but that's also in range. However, would any doctor prescribe synthetic hormone if hormones are "in range" and TSH 1.07, normal 0.27 - 4.2 So even the TSH is not raised... completely unclear...

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Someome

FT3: 3.6, normal 3.1-6.8

FT4: 15.6, normal 12-22

Ft4 is only 36% through range

Ft3 only 13% through range

Helpful calculator for working out percentage through range

chorobytarczycy.eu/kalkulator

Are you currently taking Carbimazole?

Or beta blockers?

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Someome in reply to SlowDragon

it's handy to see those as percentages. I'm not taking any meds.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Someome

Are you under care of endocrinologist

Have you had ultrasound scan of thyroid

Getting vitamin levels optimal essential

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Someome in reply to SlowDragon

no, I'm not seeing any right now. The one who gave me initial treatment overmedicated me, cause from hyper I was hypo after treatment.

She's only working in the office (not giving online consultations) so I haven't seen her in months even though I would've liked to change her. But as I'm pretty desperate I will call her too next week, maybe she agrees to look at my tests.

However, I took online consultations with other endocrinologists and phoned my GP and their only suggestion is indeed an ultrasound of my thyroid and a sinus xray, which I can't take because I'm afraid not to catch coronavirus.

Basically everyone I know is infected with corona. Just so many cases. And I can't risk it. I'm living in Romania. It's a horrible situation here, you go out, you catch it... this is why I can't get proper treatment, because I can't get all the investigations needed.

But this forum and the people here are really helpful this is why after I can't get any useful advice from the doctors I come here.

I guess my best bet so far is optimizing my diet.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply to Someome

Ok

Sit tight

Please add Romania as country on your profile

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Someome in reply to SlowDragon

Added it. Update: Initial endo said she can't do anything as long as values are in normal range. I will have to wait and see. Thanks for the input.

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Someome

:( this probably means as SlowDragon said above that it's my diet. This poor conversion thing makes sense since I read a bit and seems the TSH can be in range with this. And no, I'm not taking any meds or hormones. Thanks for the input

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