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Hello . Have i hypothyroidism and take 125 mcg of Thyroxine daily. Many of you will be aware that there is a correlation between thyroid disease and elevated cholesterol in fact I understand that high cholesterol used to lead to thyroid disease diagnosis.So. my level is 7 which is high and my GP felt that my risks are low regarding considering taking a statin which I don't want to take. Is anyone taking a statin as a result of above?

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What are your current thyroid results? TSH, Free T4 and importantly Free T3, with ranges?

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Dodds in reply to FallingInReverse

I haven't had assessment for a few months so will request this

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FallingInReverse in reply to Dodds

What is the “7” you refer to above?

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Dodds in reply to FallingInReverse

This is my cholesterol figure

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Anthea55

Here's a recent post about statins and thyroid.

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

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Fruitandnutcase

Wow, I like the sound of your doctor! When I had Graves’ disease and was very hyper my cholesterol was the lowest I have ever known it. I’ve been in remission since 2013 and my TSH is creeping up and so is my cholesterol. There is a known link and I wish someone would give me a bit of Levo to bring me back down to around 1 but alas no chance of that as I am ‘within the range’. Someone really ought to investigate that range!

I don’t want to take statins either but I come under constant pressure to do so.

On my last monitor my health blood test my HDL was in the green zone, my non HDL was in the yellow zone but closer to the green zone than it was the red zone and my triglycerides were well in the green zone. Nothing came into the red zone on their charts so I’m happy with that - even though my overall result is 7.3.

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greygoose

There are no risks attached to cholesterol, anyway. It doesn't cause heart attacks or strokes, as doctors believe. Quite the opposite. Doctors actually know nothing about cholesterol, they get their information from Big Pharma reps who want to sell statins!

Raise your FT3 level and your cholesterol levels will drop.

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Dodds in reply to greygoose

Is this level? Or is this T4?

greygoose profile image
greygoose in reply to Dodds

I'm not sure I understand the question. Is what T4?

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Dodds in reply to greygoose

You said raise your FT3 level? I'm not sure what you mean. I only take Levo. In uk GPS won't prescribe T3.

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greygoose in reply to Dodds

Well, that's the problem, isn't it. They'd far rather give you statins, and other dangerous drugs, than treat your hypo correctly. It is sometimes possible to get T3 prescribed - lots of people on here do. But lots of us buy our own. Not merely to reduce cholesterol but for your over-all health and sanity. T3 is the active hormone needed by every single cell in your body to function correctly. Which is why cholesterol is high when T3 is low, the body cannot process it correctly and it builds up in the blood.

But, there are also lots of people that are good at converting T4 to T3, so are perfectly healthy on levo only. To know how well you convert you need to get your FT3 tested at the same time as your FT4 and compare them - and, surprise surprise! The NHS won't test FT3! I wonder why...

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metamorphica in reply to Dodds

Some UK NHS endocrinologists will prescribe T3 as mine does!

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Rainbow-Lover in reply to greygoose

It’s not widely known, but the hype about reducing cholesterol has led to many Americans becoming deficient. Supplements to boost cholesterol levels are now available.

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waveylines in reply to Rainbow-Lover

🙈🙈🙈 omg.......couldn't they just dtop or lower the statins instead?????

I fond the medical information out there scary, full of mis information. And with your own GPs too. The olders ones were not reliant on those wretched pathways but the young ones see them as gospel.

I don't like the blanket approach of using statins, based on age, sex and on heart history! That's it. The three questions the nhs computer assess you on. . My cholesterol levels on all 3 levels were perfectly normal and within the ranges.....but no because cancer treatment caused damage I should be on statins! No one seems to understand that too low a level of cholesterol is bad for your brain. I pointed this out to a GP who told me I'd die in 20yrs if I didn't take them. Not one simple fact of medicine could she give me apart from I'll die. Not good enough! In 20yrs I'll be 88...the odds at that age are pretty high whether I do or not!

So I miss the older gps who had a more sanguine, reasoned approach to medications they offered me. Who gave explanations, who seemed to have a better understanding of what they were promoting.

Overall it's dismal that no trestment or under treatment of hypothyroidism leads to higher cholesterol levels, amongst other things like heart disease. Yet the nedical professiin gave tbeir fingers in their ears over this. You can see how all roads lead to statins! Shame they don't deal with the causes first!! Lol.....

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Elsabounre in reply to waveylines

Very glad to see that more people are waking up to using statins...definitely a no no for me!!..so much information out there now.

Dodds profile image
Dodds in reply to Elsabounre

Did you mean not using?

Elsabounre profile image
Elsabounre in reply to Dodds

Yes..they are unnecessary and cause many side effects..Greygoose has already explained in detail...as well as others here I see.

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Rainbow-Lover in reply to waveylines

Don’t forget that atm GPs are being asked to maximise number of their patients on statins and report data.

Last year was Year of Obesity, the year before Year of Hypertension (which led to aging patents being forced to achieve BPs associated with healthy 20 year olds) and now its Statins.

Hey ho! What do points make? Prizes of course 🙈

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Sparklingsunshine in reply to waveylines

It seems to me that younger GP's are all about algorithms, tick boxes and targets. Its all computer says yes ( or no). The human, common sense side seems to have gone out of the window.

I dont know if this is a result of current training or the push towards more tech/ AI based medicine, but its not an improvement. Sometimes you feel you are talking to a machine, not another human being.

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waveylines in reply to Sparklingsunshine

Yep......actually sometimes I feel a machine would make more sense. Some of the things I've been told of late are corkers. Eg GP Practise says I'm too complex for them, as do a&e...... Where to go then?

I'm not complex by the way. I have 4 prescription meds: low dose BP tab, b12 jabs self administered, vit D & NDT. Well it's 3 really as they stopped my NDT a few months back. They don't do anything for the vit D or B12, leaving one low dose BP tab to monitor ....& I can't remember when the GP surgery last measured my BP.

Yes I must be very complex for them! 🤔🤔 🙄🙄🙄

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Sparklingsunshine in reply to waveylines

Blimey how on earth does that make you complex, its bonkers. GP's spend a lot of time feeling superior to us lesser mortals. And are at pains to emphasise their years of training and expertise. If they can't treat a patient like you what hope for those with genuine complex medical conditions?

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waveylines in reply to Sparklingsunshine

My thoughts exactly......and sadly my confidence is rock bottom where GPs are concerned. Not helped by the fact they tried very hard to get me to take statins, despite in range cholesterol and at that point I was on two drugs contrary indicated for statins, alongside hypothyroidism patient carry an increase risk of muscle damage if they take statins. 🙈 I avoid GPs as much as possible. They rarely are the answer I'm finding sadly

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Sparklingsunshine in reply to waveylines

I share your lack of belief. Glorified gatekeepers, most of them.

Dodds profile image
Dodds in reply to waveylines

That sounds like bullying to me

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waveylines in reply to Dodds

Thanks and my apologies for butting into your post!

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Dodds in reply to waveylines

No worries x

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Calceolaria in reply to greygoose

Not my post but curious - where should FT3 be in terms of overall health?

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greygoose in reply to Calceolaria

Well, that varies from person to person. There's no fixed number that it should be. It should be where it makes you well as an individual. But most hypos seem to need it at least about 60% through the range, but could be as high as 100, or even over the top of the range.

But if cholesterol is high, then the FT3 isn't high enough.

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Calceolaria in reply to greygoose

Thanks. I’m still learning about this dratted thing!

greygoose profile image
greygoose in reply to Calceolaria

So am I! I'm afraid there's a lot to learn.

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Calceolaria in reply to greygoose

I am gaining an understanding - slowly - but the conversion thing is still a mystery. My latest test showed Free T4 edging up to top of the range 21.3 with range at 23. T3 was slightly above mid range at 5.1, top being 6.8.

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greygoose in reply to Calceolaria

So that shows poor conversion. In someone with no thyroid problems (euthyroid) the FT3 level, percentage-wise, is usually just slightly lower than the FT4. Can't work out the percentages with your results because you haven't given the full ranges, but it's obvious that the gap is going to be too wide.

T4 is basically a storage hormone, that doesn't do much until it is converted into T3, the active hormone needed by every single cell in your body to function correctly.

T4 is so-called because it contains 4 atoms of iodine for every molecule of hormone. To convert it into T3, one atom of iodine has to be removed. And, for various reasons, we're not all very good at that. :)

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Dodds in reply to greygoose

I'm absolutely in awe of your knowledge of this vastly complicated and subtle but life impacting disease

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Calceolaria in reply to greygoose

Some light is beginning to dawn re this conversion lark. My T3 and T4 have been at the same level over two Medichecks, a year apart. The ‘doctor comment’ has not mentioned the disparity and in fact says ‘overall an excellent result’. This sounds like what I get from my GP, so I’m not impressed. This could be why my hair and nails are still shedding, skin is dry, why my mood can be impacted and why my voice is often hoarse and cracks? Lots of improvements are from vitamin supplements I’m now thinking. So what is the point of taking thyroxine? Should I be sourcing T3?

Sorry to plonk this on your doorstep grey goose but I’m on a roll!

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greygoose in reply to Calceolaria

I don't mind you plonking it on my doorstep, but we shouldn't really be plonking it on Dodds' thread! Still, I'll reply to this question, but any other questions should be put in a new post - your post. :)

Medichecks' doctors are just common or garden GPs, not thyroid specialists. They know no more about it than your own GP, and probably haven't got a clue about conversion. All they look at is the TSH, and if the FT4/3 are anywhere within the range they just have to be perfect. Their comments are really not worth having and could be misleading.

And, yes, the symptoms you mention are more than likely due to your low FT3.

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Calceolaria in reply to greygoose

Thank you. I have, with a silly degree of optimism, approached my GP about my symptoms and will attempt to raise the T3 issue. My GP practice has texted to say my issue has been rated as ‘routine’ and will be in touch within next 6 weeks. Thanks Doc!

I will return on full forum. Thanks for your forbearance and advice/info..

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Sparklingsunshine in reply to Calceolaria

I had virtually similar results to you in December, on 200mcgs of Levo. I'm aware of the risks of long term high FT4 and wasnt happy having a high FT4 just to give a middling FT3. So I self sourced some T3.

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Ellie-Louise in reply to greygoose

The problem is remembering it all.

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Humphre in reply to greygoose

Try Plant Sterols from British Supplements Ltd my husband is on them & the reviews are pretty good just waiting to have his tested maybe worth a look. Big pharma love fear & control money talks.

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greygoose in reply to Humphre

Why? Why waste money and time on something that isn't even a problem, High cholesterol is not a problem, it doesn't hurt you in any way. Low cholesterol does. It puts you at greater risk of a heart attack, lowers your sex hormones, and prevents the body regenerating and repairing itself. The body needs cholesterol, it's mainly made of cholesterol, and what is considered high cholesterol these days used to be considered 'normal'. They keep moving the goal-posts to get more and more people on statins, and to hell with patient welfare! It's profits that count.

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Humphre in reply to greygoose

Ah yes I see what you mean will have to re read Dr Zoe Harcombes book again🤔 never believed in statins at all good point thank you

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greygoose in reply to Humphre

Nor me! :)

Marz profile image
Marz in reply to Humphre

Have you read about Zoe Harcombe and Dr Malcolm Kendrick winning their libel case v a journalist who wrote in the press they were 'statin deniers!' They have been battling since 2019. Congratulations to a fair minded judge..

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Humphre in reply to Marz

Yes somewhere in my mind I think I did

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Marz in reply to Humphre

Have posted a piece from Conservative Women further down this thread !

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Cornwaller in reply to greygoose

Hello Greygoose. I love reading your thoughts. There is a link below to a series of articles by Peter Attia about cholesterol and health. He details the complexities and nuances of the relationship. I think you might find them interesting. There is a relationship between elevated blood lipids and increased risk of cardiovascular disease. The relationship is complex and there are also many other factors at play. Nonetheless statins and other drugs may be beneficial to some people - this is well worth researching in detail if a doctor recommends such treatment. Statins will not always be the best choice as more modern drugs with fewer side effects are becoming available. Many statins are now long out of patent and are cheap as they can be made and sold by anyone. The risk is that health providers and doctors may presribe old cheap drugs which could be inferior to newer treatments. "Big pharma " are certainly not pushing old generic drugs - they've got plenty of new and very expensive drugs to flog!

peterattiamd.com/category/d...

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greygoose in reply to Cornwaller

I use the term 'statin' loosely to mean any type of cholesterol-lowering drug.

Thank you for the link, I will read it later.

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Ellie-Louise in reply to Cornwaller

When I refused Statins and explained to the doctor how they had all but destroyed my brothers health until he stopped taking them, all she said was that Statins are nothing like they used to be…I still refused them, and the other day as I was reading through my notes on System Online twice it is noted that I have refused to take them. You would think they’d get the message.

Mine is only 1 above the range but I was still told it was high.

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Cornwaller in reply to Ellie-Louise

I'm sorry to hear about your brother and hope he is doing much better.

Being one above range would seem to suggest a review of options rather than simply prescribing statins and appearing to suggest that statins are now magically completely different. But I'm not medically qualified. Peter Attia is worth a read on the subject.

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Ellie-Louise in reply to Cornwaller

Thank you, yes he’s fine now and he walks round his local park daily. I get photos of the ducks in the lake sent to me. He could barely get up from a chair and walk a few steps for the pain in his muscles when he was on that poison. I was shocked to see he state he was in when I went up there to visit a few years ago. This was before Covid which seems to have put an end to any gadding about, we don’t even seem to go into town to look round the shops any more. Covid has a lot to answer for and I hope to goodness we don’t get that sort of situation ever again.

Dodds profile image
Dodds in reply to Ellie-Louise

Yes my partner had a call yesterday trying to persuade him to take them once again!

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Sparklingsunshine in reply to Ellie-Louise

GP practices earn extra cash from the NHS for prescribing statins, along with other drugs like BP drugs and antidepressants. No wonder they are so eager.

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Marz in reply to Sparklingsunshine

I think it's easy to forget that most GP Practices are run as independent businesses. They have contracts with the NHS. Funding points are awarded for prescribing certain drugs to enable them to purchase equipment etc. So the incentives abound ....

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Sparklingsunshine in reply to Marz

Its similar to cancer screening, the taught wisdom is cancer screening saves lives, end of, but actually when you delve into it the numbers arent convincing and actually screening can lead to aggressive and unnecessary treatment for cancers that would never have developed or become an issue.

All cancers are not equal and some are so slow growing and insignificant that you are more likely to die from something else, not the cancer. But of course by that point you are likely to have gone through surgery, radiotherapy or chemo. With all the risks and side effects that entails.

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Marz in reply to Sparklingsunshine

Agree ! Have a story or two to add to that - for another day !

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waveylines in reply to Marz

They do indeed Martz.....as indeed do the incentives abound to get u off treatments that work but cost!

My GP said to me (after he'd removed my ndt from my script and agreed with my summary of what would happen to me without, including eventual coma and death) well in 5-10yrs GP surgeries will be totally private. I'm looking forward to that as I will earn more money then. So pleased for him!!

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Marz in reply to waveylines

I just wish we had the relaxed and open Greek system I enjoyed for 15 years - whereby their NHS allowed you to add your own required tests to their list that you paid for. It's called co-operation - and everyone benefitted. Not least THE PATIENT ❤️

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jgelliss in reply to Ellie-Louise

I believe that both my Uncle and Ant developed dementia from statins. It was so tragic to see them going through with it.

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Dodds in reply to jgelliss

Yes a good friend of mines husband started taking them five years ago as oart of a research trial, no other reason. He passed away a few months ago. Dementia.

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jgelliss in reply to Dodds

It's so Tragic. I hope more people will have an awareness that this can happen.

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jgelliss in reply to greygoose

❤👏👏👏👏

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conniemeg in reply to greygoose

I have had high cholesterol for 40 years. I also have low thyroid. I had to beg to be able to supplement levo with armor, but my doctor finally allowed it and I am on both. The doctors continued to hound me about my cholesterol, but they finally did a carotid artery ultrasound, and they were shocked to find that I have no plaque.. They said my cholesterol is just floating in my blood, but it’s not sticking to my arteries.

I always have to insist on free T3 and free T4 testing, and ignore the TSH levels because they are thrown off by the fact that I take biotin and the lab that does the testing uses biotin as a marker for TSH.

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greygoose in reply to conniemeg

Well, cholesterol doesn't just stick to your arteries for not reason. The reason it is foud sticking to artery walls is that it's acting as a sticking plaster to cover up and damage to the artery and help it heal. When the wound is healed, the cholesterol is absorbed into the cell walls - which are made of cholesterol, anyway. If your arteries are undamaged there's no reason for it to stick to the walls. I'm amazed doctors don't know that.

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RunningGeek

Hi Dodds

My cholesterol is 7 too & I have refused to take a statin. I am currently working on my diet & am testing to see what my vitamin levels are like. Am hoping that if I can get the other ducks in line my cholesterol will follow.

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Dodds in reply to RunningGeek

Thank you. I don't really eat much in the way of high fat foods but actually maybe my diet could do with changing as I'm a bit of a sugar freak and being trying to stop with the snacks. I've read about vitamin D as a good supplement do you recommend anything?

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greygoose in reply to Dodds

Cholesterol levels have nothing to do with your diet - and certainly nothing to do with eating fat! It is made in the liver, and the liver keeps levels steady by making less the more you consume, and vice versa. However, when T3 is low, the body cannot process cholesterol correctly and it builds up in the blood.

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Dodds in reply to greygoose

I'm going to request a thyroid test and would really be grateful for some advice Following results. I've never really felt all that different since commencing Thyroxine about 20 years ago and now always feel fatigued and muscles and bones ache. Can't tolerate heat. I did try T3 a few years ago and cut a 50mcg tablet in half to try and it felt like I'd swallowed dynamite and rather put me off. I'm really willing to try it again and would be very grateful for advice. I'm 71 but feel I should have more energy. Many thanks to everyone. What a great website.

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Buddy195Administrator in reply to Dodds

25mcg of Liothyronine was probably too much to start with. I like to add medication super slowly, adding just 5mcg of Liothyronine to Levothyroxine initially.

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Dodds in reply to Buddy195

I didn't start with 125 I've built up to this over 20 years

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Buddy195Administrator in reply to Dodds

I did try T3 a few years ago and cut a 50mcg tablet in half to try and it felt like I'd swallowed dynamite and rather put me off.

I was referring to the T3 (Liothyronine) not Levothyroxine. Half the 50mcg (25mcg) was possibly too high a dose.

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greygoose in reply to Dodds

I didn't know they made T3 in 50 mcg tablets. I thought the highest was 25. Or are you talking about 50 mcg levo?

For T3, the recommended starting dose is 5 mcg, and stay on that until you feel you need an increase - but at least for two weeks. I can't imagine 5 mcg would make you feel like you swallowed dynamite! :) Also, it would be best to make sure that all your nutrients are optimal before starting T3.

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Marz in reply to Dodds

When your cholesterol was tested did you have a Triglycerides result ? If raised then that can be linked to a sugar issue ??

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Dodds in reply to Marz

I'm not sure to be honest. I'm going to request another blood test and also re test my cholesterol. Thanks for this info

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Marz in reply to Dodds

You are legally entitled to have a hard copy of test results in the absence of on-line access ...

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Brightness14 in reply to RunningGeek

I have eaten nuts every day for years and I have high HDL cholesterol which is good. We all need Cholesterol including the brain.

RunningGeek profile image
RunningGeek

I'm not taking vitamin D at the moment but know that it's D3 along with K2 that's needed for effective uptake.

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greygoose in reply to RunningGeek

The K2 has nothing to do with the absorption of vit D. It is necessary because taking vit D increases absorption of calcium from food, and the K2 makes sure the extra calcium goes into the teeth and bones, and doesn't build up in the arteries.

You also need to take magnesium when taking vit D because the two work together. Taking vit D without magnesium will deplete your magnesium, and that's not a good thing. :)

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SlowDragonAdministrator

you need full thyroid and vitamin testing

High cholesterol suggests either dose levothyroxine is inadequate or poor conversion of Ft4 to Ft3

Recommended that all thyroid blood tests early morning, ideally just before 9am, only drink water between waking and test and last dose levothyroxine 24 hours before test

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip)

Private tests are available as NHS currently rarely tests Ft3 or all relevant vitamins

Post all about what time of day to test

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Testing options and includes money off codes for private testing

thyroiduk.org/testing/

Medichecks Thyroid plus BOTH TPO and TG antibodies and vitamins

medichecks.com/products/adv...

Blue Horizon Thyroid Premium Gold includes BOTH TPO and TG antibodies, cortisol and vitamins

bluehorizonbloodtests.co.uk...

Only do private testing early Monday or Tuesday morning.

Link about thyroid blood tests

thyroiduk.org/testing/thyro...

Link about Hashimoto’s

thyroiduk.org/hypothyroid-b...

Symptoms of hypothyroidism

thyroiduk.org/signs-and-sym...

Tips on how to do DIY finger prick test

support.medichecks.com/hc/e...

Medichecks and BH also offer private blood draw at clinic near you, or private nurse to your own home…..for an extra fee

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janeroar

hi Dodds

I’ve been doing a lot of research about cholesterol. There’s a strong camp on this forum that’s against statins and my first inclination reading some of the stuff by alternative clinicians was to concur with that.

However I’ve been doing a deeper dive on the research and reading other studies that are conclusively pro statin. The vast majority of heart surgeons and specialists are fans of statins. Whilst I’ve had my fair share of moronic doctors, I’ve had the fortune to meet a couple of really good cardiologists recently who my father then son had to consult. Both are intelligent and very knowledgeable and they unequivocally support the right use of statins.

I’m a fan of Peter Attia’s work. He’s really thorough researcher and he too has concluded that statins are life saving. Take a look at his website

If my cholesterol levels weren’t optimal I’d be doing everything I could to lower it naturally through diet and exercise but if that didn’t help I would not discount the use of statins

I think you need to do your own research, take in what others say here but also know this is a very hotly debated topic and only you can know what might be best for you.

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Dodds in reply to janeroar

Thank you for this. It's a tricky one. I work in health care as an AHP and have met many medics who haven't impressed me at all and just don't think laterally. Also I'm deeply suspicious of the impact of statins on Neurological function as have met at least one patient who swears her MND was brought about by this drug. Also several people whose mobility and muscle function impacted by commencing Statins. Heart surgeons used to say eating fried eggs destroyed your heart which I don't believe either. Its a tricky one as you say make your own mind up but as big pharma make big money it's further complicated for example they have been influential in lowering the measurements for what is now considered high BP so now lots more people are prescribed BP meds so more pharma profits

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waveylines in reply to Dodds

I think you've summed it up well Dodds. I certainly have refused them because my cholesterol is in range and no one can explain to me precisely what benefit that statins will bring me.

I do think drugs have their place but I dont believe they should be prescribed generically.

And all drugs carry risks and what doesn't seem to happen is the explain action of the true risks of taking a drug as opposed to not.

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Levo1 in reply to janeroar

I concur with you, janeroar. I was diagnosed with high cholesterol levels some 15 years ago at a level of 7.6, most of which was ldl, the “bad” cholesterol. I am also hypo and have experimented over the years with dosages etc in conjunction with my GP. 15 years ago my tests at The Papworth and Addenbrookes with some of the top cardiologists in the world showed that I had unhealthy build ups of plaque in my cardiovascular system. I was prescribed statins at that time and my cholesterol level is now around 3, with a healthy hdl/ldl ratio. What is interesting is that the plaque levels have reduced dramatically over the years and, at age 72, feel healthier than ever. This is interesting as it is difficult to reduce these levels and the best one could often hope for is an arrest in the plaque formation. I am moderately hypo and take 50 mcg of Levo. The two may be connected but I continue with statins and levo in combination. As a result, I will continue with this regime despite claims made by people wanting to sell books and rather put my faith in cardiologists with years of experience. I have doubts that they are being “bribed” by the drugs companies to push statins.

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janeroar in reply to Levo1

It’s good to hear about the reduction in plaque. That must be a relief. I’m keen to get a heart check as a lot of it in my family. Did you get your tests done on the NHS?

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Levo1 in reply to janeroar

Yes,, at the time NHS. However, I requested a “cardio MOT” recently on the NHS but will have to wait a year! May go privately.

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greygoose in reply to Levo1

There's no such thing as 'good' and 'bad' cholesterol. That's an invention of Big Pharma to scare people into taking 'statins'. HDL and LDL, which is what is measured when you have a blood test, aren't even cholesterol, they are the protein carriers that transport the cholesterol round the body to where it's needed.

That plaque was cholesterol acting as a sticking plaster to heal the damage already done to your arteries. When the wound is healed the cholesterol is absorbed into the cell walls. Artificially reduce cholesterol levels and you no longer have that protection that cholesterol affords you, and you increase your risk of a heart attack. 3 is far too low for cholesterol.

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Levo1 in reply to greygoose

Well, I am still alive with much lower blood pressure than before I started with statins and within a healthy range many years later and so I am more inclined to follow the advice given by the cardiologists at Papworth. I am in my 70s and my father and grandfather passed away with heart disease in their 50s before statins were widely available. I accept what you are saying about hdl and ldl but high and low density lipoproteins are colloquially known as good and bad cholesterol.

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Dodds in reply to Levo1

Thank you I'm so glad you are good and healthy 💕

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greygoose in reply to Levo1

Whether or not the statins kill you, it's far more sensible to attack the root of the 'problem' than take a drug. The dangers of low T3 aren't just about cholesterol. It can cause so many other problems in every organ in your body. And your heart needs a lot of T3 and low T3 in itself can cause the heart to malfunction. That's where the emphasis should lie, not on cholesterol levels.

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Dodds in reply to greygoose

Hello Greygoose when I get my test results would you be able to help me re my possible need for T3 please as I know you aren't allowed to tell me where this might be obtained but ....... just thinking I might benefit

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greygoose in reply to Dodds

If you want to know where it is obtained just write a new post asking people to PM you links to their trusted sources. You are allowed to ask but we cannot name sources on the open forum. :)

No problem with looking at your results though, I can do that! :)

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Libuse

yes. Mine is 6.2. I resisted for several years. I was finally diagnosed with hypothyroidism 18 months (TSH 67!) it’s come down to 0.87 but cholesterol remains high. I am slender, walk a lot every day and have the perfect diet. When scans revealed some arterial damage, I decided to try statins. That was a month ago and so far, so good. No side effects.

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Dodds in reply to Libuse

I'm really pleased about that. Maybe if you can get on with them then you may benefit

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greygoose in reply to Libuse

High cholesterol has nothing to do with TSH. It's low FT3 that causes it. Do you know your FT3 level?

Cholesterol levels have nothing to do with diet or exercise or how slim you are. It's made in the liver. And it's made in the liver because your body needs it. The damage in your arteries wasn't caused by cholesterol, the cholesterol would heal it.

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Libuse in reply to greygoose

Thanks very much for your reply Grey Goose.❤️. I had private test done a few months ago. Here are results

TgAb.          20.                 0-115

TPO Ab.      10.                 0-34 

T3.             2.59.               2.02-4.43 

T4.             0.99.               0.93-1.71 

TSH.          0.825.            0.27-4.2 

Ferritin.     27.2.               11-306 

B12.         1000.                196-771 (I self inject- peripheral neuroma ) 

Folate.     20.1.                 3-17 

CRP.         1.73.                 0-5 

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greygoose in reply to Libuse

FT3: 2.59 pmol/l (Range 2.02 - 4.43) 23.65%

FT4: 0.99 pmol/l (Range 0.93 - 1.71) 7.69%

Your FT3 is very low, and your FT4 is even worse. What are you taking, and how much? Whatever it is, you need and increase.

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Libuse in reply to greygoose

75 mcg and 87.5 levothyroxine eod. GP tried to reduced to 50 but I insisted on retaining 75 and purchased a bit extra.

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greygoose in reply to Libuse

Why did he want to reduce? Your TSH is still in-range. Not that that matters, but that's usually their excuse.

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Libuse in reply to greygoose

It went down to 0.58 with NHS test (.86-4.5).

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greygoose in reply to Libuse

The bottom of that range is rediculously high. But there was no need to reduce your dose, anyway. Doctors should not be dosing by the TSH.

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annnsandell

I am assuming this 7 is bad chloresterol and not combined as there is a difference. I have recently been learning that Vitamin B3 Niacin will lower bad chloresterol and raise the good ones and am giving that a try. Getting all your Thyroid levels, particularly T3/T2 and vitamins to maximise is the answer but that is not always possible without taking T3 extra. British GPs get paid to deal with high chloresterol and prescribe statins.

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greygoose in reply to annnsandell

There's no such thing as 'good' and 'bad' cholesterol. That's an invention of Big Pharma to scare people into taking 'statins'. HDL and LDL, which is what is measured when you have a blood test, aren't even cholesterol, they are the protein carriers that transport the cholesterol round the body to where it's needed.

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annnsandell in reply to greygoose

If only we can convince the NHS of this.

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Marz in reply to annnsandell

Cholesterol is a chemical so cannot be both good AND bad ! This was explained to us at a Thyroid UK Conference by Dr Malcolm Kendrick - he who wrote The Great Cholesterol Con...

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annnsandell in reply to Marz

This is just as GPs see it and want to prescribe statins. There is something now in place where they are working to % reductions to meet NHS targets. Last conversation I had was check my T3 and vitamins first and they actually did.

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Marz in reply to annnsandell

How did that work out for you ?

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annnsandell in reply to Marz

Well they tested T3, T4, TSH, antibodies, B12, Vit D, Ferritin, and results were all about what I expected showing all ok apart from T3 low in range, possibly proving that low conversion gives high chlorestrol. I then had a disscusion about taking T2 (probably only available in the USA which he has yet to tell me) which might be continued this afternoon............ All a game.

Possibly a good ploy to get T3 tested.

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VLJones

Hi Dodds i have the same condition as yourself. I was asked to go on statins and did for a while but i had an various allegies to them did some research and was put on Ezetimibe 10 mg which is bringing my cholestrol down hope this imformation helps.

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Gatun

Statins help just 1% of the people so get a new Doctor.

Suggest reading " The Great Cholesterol Myth by Stephen Sinatra (MD) and Jonny Bowden, (PH.D)". David Diamond from University of South Florida has several videos on YouTube and lectures cardiologist on the lack of proof of statins effectiveness. My cardiologist (Duke University trained) and my regular MD agree I stop taking statins "if I want". If MDs don't offer up taking statins they can be facing a law suite because Big Pharma provides research funding to the medical establishment and they expect their drugs pushed or lose funding.

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Marz

conservativewoman.co.uk/are...

A recent opinion piece which may prove interesting and helpful. Readers comments - totalling 189 - also a good read....

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Dodds in reply to Marz

Thank you soon much this is an an excellent read

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buddy99

One of my former gps cut my thyroid meds from 125mcg to 75mcg in one go and made me very hypo. Even when my TSH was 10, she did not increase the dose but rather accused me of non-compliance. Then put me on statins for high cholesterol. I was in excruciating pain. Every muscle, even the ones I usually did not think about much, like my uterus, cramped up. I grabbed the statins in frustration and threw them in the garbage (which confirmed her view that I was a non-compliant patient). There is absolutely no way in heck that I will ever take statins ever again! I rather give birth to 25 more children (easy to say since at my age that is pretty well impossible 😉). I have read Dr. Malcolm Kendrick's book "A Statin Nation....." in the meantime and it was a real eye-opener. "The entire "cholesterol hypothesis" was described many years ago as "the greatest scam in the history of medicine" by one of the key players involved in setting up the hugely influential Framingham Study." The book shows the power of the pharmaceutical industry, and its ability to conceal vital facts. My experience with statins was instrumental in setting me on the path of doubting that "doctors know best", collecting as much information as possible on all medical issues as they pertain to me and questioning the practices of the pharmaceutical industry. It still took many, many years before I lost complete trust, but thanks to statins and the pain they caused me I woke up from my trance and my unquestioning faith in the medical system. That was the only good that came from statins.

By the way, since I am on T3 my LDL has come down considerably.

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greygoose in reply to buddy99

Well said!

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