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Hello all. I am In the UK and am currently on Levothyroxine (125) and have been diagnosed as hypo since 2014. I have been feeling unwell for about 18mths with large weight gain, joint pain and irregular periods. I decided to take a private blood test but do not really understand the results. I would like to have a heads up before I go back to my GP and would be grateful for some help interpreting the results.

TSH 1.55 mIU/L

Free T3 4.54 pmol/L

Free thyroxine 17.9 pmol/L

Antibody test thyroglobulin 631 kIU/LL

Thyroid peroxidase antibodies 236 kIU/L

I believe that high antibodies aren’t good so I have been trying a gluten and diary free diet.

I would be grateful for any guidance.

Thank you

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High thyroid antibodies confirms autoimmune thyroid disease also called Hashimoto’s

Low vitamin levels are extremely common with Hashimoto’s

Essential to test vitamin D, folate, ferritin and B12

Ask GP to test or test privately

Just vitamin D nHS postal kit

vitamindtest.org.uk

What vitamin supplements are you currently taking

Yes gluten and dairy intolerance are common with Hashimoto’s

Have you noticed any improvements in symptoms since changing diet

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Do you always get same brand of levothyroxine at each prescription

Do you normally take Levothyroxine in morning or at bedtime?

Recommended on here that all thyroid blood tests should ideally be done as early as possible in morning and before eating or drinking anything other than water .

Last dose of Levothyroxine 24 hours prior to blood test. (taking delayed dose immediately after blood draw).

Is this how you did this test?

Ft4 is 59% through range

But Ft3 is only 38% through range

Helpful calculator for working out percentage through range

chorobytarczycy.eu/kalkulator

So conversion rate is not brilliant, improving low vitamin levels can improve conversion

Many people find Levothyroxine brands are not interchangeable.

Once you find a brand that suits you, best to make sure to only get that one at each prescription.

Watch out for brand change when dose is increased or at repeat prescription.

Many patients do NOT get on well with Teva brand of Levothyroxine. Teva contains mannitol as a filler, which seems to be possible cause of problems. Teva is the only brand that makes 75mcg tablet. So if avoiding Teva for 75mcg dose ask for 25mcg to add to 50mcg or just extra 50mcg tablets to cut in half

Are you currently taking Teva?

Teva, Aristo and Glenmark are the only lactose free tablets

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

Teva poll

healthunlocked.com/thyroidu...

academic.oup.com/jcem/artic...

Physicians should: 1) alert patients that preparations may be switched at the pharmacy; 2) encourage patients to ask to remain on the same preparation at every pharmacy refill; and 3) make sure patients understand the need to have their TSH retested and the potential for dosing readjusted every time their LT4 preparation is switched (18).

Levothyroxine is an extremely fussy hormone and should always be taken on an empty stomach and then nothing apart from water for at least an hour after

Many people take Levothyroxine soon after waking, but it may be more convenient and perhaps more effective taken at bedtime

verywellhealth.com/best-tim...

No other medication or supplements at same as Levothyroxine, leave at least 2 hour gap. Some like iron, calcium, magnesium, HRT, omeprazole or vitamin D should be four hours away

(Time gap doesn't apply to Vitamin D mouth spray)

If you normally take levothyroxine at bedtime/in night ...adjust timings as follows prior to blood test

If testing Monday morning, delay Saturday evening dose levothyroxine until Sunday morning. Delay Sunday evening dose levothyroxine until after blood test on Monday morning. Take Monday evening dose levothyroxine as per normal

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Strangerthings71 in reply toSlowDragon

Dear Slow Dragon thank you for your reply. Hopefully I have answered all of your questions below:-

I did also have some vitamin tested which are as follows

Vit D 67 nmol/L

Vit B 103 pmol/L

Ferritin 97.1 ug/L

CRP HS (inflammation) 2.37 mg/L

The only difference I have noticed with going on a diary and gf diet is less bloating in my stomach.

I used to take Teva last year and because I felt unwell on it I asked to changed to Eltroxcin in January was only on it for a month and felt terrible with severe aching limbs at night and couldn’t sleep. I am now taking Levo anything but Teva as this has been requested on my prescription although I’m sure I actually felt better than I do now on Teva!

I take my Thyroid medication in the middle of the night as usually wake around 2am for a wee!

I have even been considering stoping taking my thyroid medication altogether I feel like an inflated balloon and still have severe limb pain, hair loss, weight gain, mixing up my words, fatigue and very low libido. I am at a loss as what to do next.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toStrangerthings71

B12 result - what’s the range

Is this an NHs Serum B12 result or private Active B12 test result

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Strangerthings71 in reply toSlowDragon

Active B12 private

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toStrangerthings71

Did you get folate result?

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Strangerthings71 in reply toSlowDragon

No I didn’t is this a type of iron?

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toStrangerthings71

Folate is a B vitamin, B9

Annoyingly Medichecks no longer includes this in standard testing.

Blue horizon and Thriva still do include it

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Strangerthings71 in reply toSlowDragon

Range <37.5

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toStrangerthings71

Last dose levothyroxine should be 24 hours before test

As you normally take levothyroxine at bedtime/in night ...adjust timings as follows prior to blood test

If testing Monday morning, delay Saturday evening dose levothyroxine until Sunday morning. Delay Sunday evening dose levothyroxine until after blood test on Monday morning. Take Monday evening dose levothyroxine as per normal

Is this how you did this test

If took levothyroxine before blood test, Ft4 is false high result

Ask Gp for 25mcg dose increase in levothyroxine

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Strangerthings71 in reply toSlowDragon

Hi again no I just took the middle of night dose and blood test in the morning. I didn’t realise there had to be a 24hr gap. Your advice has been extremely informative and I thank you for the time you have taken to reply it’s greatly appreciated.

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SlowDragonAdministrator in reply toStrangerthings71

Vitamin D

GP will often only prescribe to bring levels to 50nmol.

Some areas will prescribe to bring levels to 75nmol

leedsformulary.nhs.uk/docs/...

GP should advise on self supplementing if over 50nmol, but under 75nmol (but they rarely do)

mm.wirral.nhs.uk/document_u...

NHS Guidelines on dose vitamin D required

ouh.nhs.uk/osteoporosis/use...

But with Hashimoto’s, improving to around 80nmol or 100nmol by self supplementing may be better

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/218...

vitamindsociety.org/pdf/Vit...

Once you Improve level, very likely you will need on going maintenance dose to keep it there.

Test twice yearly via vitamindtest.org.uk

Vitamin D mouth spray by Better You is very effective as it avoids poor gut function. There’s a version made that also contains vitamin K2 Mk7

It’s trial and error what dose we need, with hashimoto’s we frequently need higher dose than average

Calculator for working out dose you may need to bring level to 40ng/ml = 100nmol

grassrootshealth.net/projec...

Government recommends everyone supplement October to April

gov.uk/government/news/phe-...

With your Vit D, important cofactors - magnesium and Vit K2-MK7

Magnesium best taken in the afternoon or evening, but must be four hours away from levothyroxine

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

medicalnewstoday.com/articl...

livescience.com/61866-magne...

sciencedaily.com/releases/2...

Vitamin K2 mk7

betterbones.com/bone-nutrit...

healthline.com/nutrition/vi...

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I am New to Levothyroxine only been on it since January this year. I am classed as Sub Clinical Hypothyroid because I only have one half of my thyroid left which then started playing up. So I am not fully up on what your results mean I’d put it to the whole group, more of them have better experience than myself with results. hope you find useful help from the group. Sorry.

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Strangerthings71 in reply toGlencoewalker17

Thank you Glencoewalker17 I actually thought I had put it to the whole group but possibly not this is only my second time posting so have probably done it wrong.

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tattybogle in reply toStrangerthings71

don't worry , you haven't done it wrong :) everyone can/will see this...... it's just a bit quiet at the moment. Don't stop taking your thyroxine. what usually happens is you feel better for a short time , no one knows why, and then over a few weeks, sometimes quite suddenly you feel terrible. As well as looking at your vitamins like slow dragon says, it is possible that you could have a slightly higher dose of levo, and still keep results in range .

Perhaps ask GP if they would put dose up by 12.5 mcg ie 125 + half a 25 daily.

I'm on same as you ie. 'anything but teva', and find 12.5mcg 's Levo makes a big difference.

Gp may not see the need because your TSH does look good on paper, but as long as it stay's within range they shouldn't worry. I know i'd feel too slow with your results , mine are more like tsh0.05 /ft4 >100% /ft3 50% which does lead to some disagreement with GP , but i feel really unwell and get constipated if i take less, currently on 112.5mcg after pushing GP to put it back up from 100.

Hopfully someone more awake than me will be along in a bit. Maybe they've all been on a wild night out..... but i doubt it.

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What vitamin supplements are you currently taking?

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Strangerthings71

Hi pretty much everything going! Vit D, gentle iron, selenium, b12, magnesium, zinc and b complex and Berberine.

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