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UPDATE: Cholestrol and Statins (confused and irritated)

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I post this the other day here and was suggested I go to the cholesterol site (not helpful) they don't get the thyroid connection with Cholestrol and after I was done I felt like I ate myself to this horrible cholesterol...lol

I alway had high cholesterol levels even when I weighed 120 pounds anyway I got my latest Cholestrol and my inflammation levels (I have psoriatic arthritis and inject monthly with immunosuppressive drugs).

My inflammation markers from Dec 2019 to NOW have jumped with the addition of Crestor (I have been exercising a little more)... I'm not sure if all of my crestor issues are effecting my inflammation (breathlessness,heartburn,painful ankles,knees,hip and butt, muscle fatigue and muscle pain between my elbow and shoulder) all these issues clear up when I don't take crestor except for the breathlessness (random) not constant, chronic cough that comes and goes. Hypothyroidism or crestor?

My Doctor called me yesterday and she says Crestor doesn't do a lot of these issues I'm having and wants to put me on a different cholesterol pill.

My triglycerides have increased...any idea why?

[December 2, 2019]

Cholestrol levels / ESR & C-REACTIVE levels while on (100)mcg synthyroid and (10)mcg cytomel [NO] Cholestrol Meds at this time.

ESR: 41 (H) (0- 25)

C-Reactive: .46 (0 -0.5)

Cholestrol:

266 (H)(50-200)

LdL: 202 (H) (0-100)

HDL: 69 (40 or higher)

Triglycerides: 63 (10 -150)

Cholestrol Non-HDL: 197 (H) (0-130)

[May 21, 2020]

Have been taking100mg synthyroid and 10mg cytomel and 5mcg CRESTOR for Cholestrol. Had inflammation markers ESR and C-REACTIVE Proteins done for the PSA. I have Psoriatic Arthritis and being treated with Cosentyx inj since 6/2018.

ESR: 55 mm/hr (high) (0-25)

C-REACTIVE: 0.66 (high) (0-0.5)

Cholestrol: taking 5mg CRESTOR

239 (H) (50-200)

LdL: 101 (H) (0-100)

HDL: 72 (40 or higher)

Triglycerides: 101 (10 -150)

Cholestrol Non-HDL: 167 (H) (0-130)

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Did you know that lower levels of LDL were found to be a problem for people who caught COVID-19? They were more likely to die than those with higher levels of LDL because LDL is a vital component of the immune system.

Also, in terms of "saving lives" being on statins for five years is likely to increase life span by about 3 or 4 days.

Other problems with taking a statin...

1) It hardens up existing calcium deposits in the arteries.

2) It increases the risk of type 2 diabetes.

3) It increases the risk of cataracts.

4) It increases the risk of developing rhabdomyolysis, which will often destroy the kidneys.

5) It increases the risk of various forms of dementia.

6) It increases the risk of severe memory problems.

7) It increases the risk of heart failure.

You might like this link - read it and study the graphs :

drmalcolmkendrick.org/2012/...

This is also well worth reading :

spacedoc.com/articles/50-fa...

And if you want some scientific papers, then these links have plenty of references :

thennt.com/nnt/statins-for-...

thennt.com/nnt/statins-pers...

thennt.com/nnt/statins-for-...

The following link suggests statins are good in cases of known heart disease, but I still think the odds of getting a benefit are too low to risk the side effects, and the risk of harms is still too high - but that's my personal opinion.

thennt.com/nnt/statins-for-...

You can also find loads of links in this thread on a very popular diabetes forum :

diabetes.co.uk/forum/thread...

....

Being hypothyroid increases your chances of having high cholesterol. But if you get your thyroid hormone levels optimised for you it should reduce your cholesterol without taking a statin.

My doctor has suggested I should have my cholesterol levels tested but I have refused, and I will always refuse.

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Batty1 in reply tohumanbean

I never heard of the covid stuff. Very true getting my thyroid levels correct might help my cholesterol but getting a doctor to listen... now that’s the battle.

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humanbean in reply toBatty1

bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m11...

Title : Cholesterol-lowering treatment may worsen the outcome of a Covid-19 infection.

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humanbean in reply toBatty1

papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers...

Title : Low Serum Cholesterol Level Among Patients with COVID-19 Infection in Wenzhou, China

statinnation.com/blog/2020/...

Title : Cholesterol and COVID-19

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Batty1 in reply tohumanbean

Pretty interesting reads

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posthinking01 in reply tohumanbean

In my opinion Covid patients on statins don't do well because it reduced the cholesterol needed for the adrenal glands and the adrenal glands in illness are really needed.

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jgelliss in reply tohumanbean

Great Post humanbean. I don't know why but cholesterol is always pushed as if it was our enemy of sorts . WE need cholesterol for our hormones and well being . If cholesterol levels prove to be very high or out of control it's then the *thyroid levels* are what should be checked out and not statin's handed out .

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Batty1 in reply tojgelliss

I agree, if someone has known thyroid disease or has no thyroid maybe the doctors should try giving more thyroid meds to see if this provides a reduction in cholesterol before handing out statins.

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yesendi in reply toBatty1

I am a small thin woman and have always have high cholesterol according to my dr. Of course she has always tried to push cholesterol drugs but I always refused. My last cholesterol test showed a drop of 60 points when my FT3 reached the optimal value, in my case a FT3 of 3.8. I hope my cholesterol doesn’t go down anymore. My cholesterol level sits at 213 now.

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Batty1 in reply toyesendi

That’s encouraging! Thanks

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jox1

As above - many many people have muscular issues with statins - either straight off or longer term. Don't believe your doctors marketing spin on this which is a one size fits all solution that has no way of solving the root cause. Instead look at diet and other dietary interventions. Good luck

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posthinking01

Hi there - if you feel better when not taking the Crestor then I would say that it is the drug causing your issues but you need to discuss with your Dr as to whether you should come off it.

Your ESR and C-Reactive (inflammation markers) are a little raised but I don't think you cholesterol is that high - your blood fats (Triglycerides) have come down. I am not sure what other drugs you are taking that could also be causing these issues - so it might be worth letting us know. A relative of mine was on statins and had 'the run's for months until his Dr said reduce the dose and it stopped. He had just had a heart by pass operation and was so ill with the statins causing him to lose all his vitamins he needed to heal form the operation. There are other ways to reduce cholesterol but we must remember it isn't a bad thing like the medical profession would like us to believe. 200 is a high figure no 6 !

Do you eat a lot of cheese can I ask?

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Batty1 in reply toposthinking01

My current medication .....Cosentyx injection (for psoriatic arthritis) prilosec, Estridol, crestor, synthyroid 100mcg synthyroid and 10mcg cytomel.

My current Supplements......D3, K, Magnesium citrate and Methlated Super B complex

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Batty1 in reply toposthinking01

I eat cheese,butter,meat,veggies,fruits,grains...... I eat cheese 2-3xs a week same with butter (mostly cooking) I eat very little meat.

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Batty1 in reply toposthinking01

My triglycerides have INCREASED with Crestor.

From 63 (prior to Crestor) to 101 (after being on Crestor)

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Winniepoo15

Hi. I’m hypothyroid & had high cholesterol. At one point it was 7.8 & gp wanted to put me on statins, which I refused. When I began to get gut issues with being hypo, I went to see a nutritionist who recommended I went gluten & dairy free. I done so & within 11weeks, my cholesterol dropped from 6.8 to 5.2. I couldn’t believe it as that wasn’t the reason I went gf. I thought vit d was the reason but was told it can actually increase it. It is definitely gf that has lowered my cholesterol. I hope this is of some help.

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Winniepoo15

Sorry, I forgot to mention the cholesterol measurements are in mmol/s.

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Mannequin18

Hi all, I am autoimmune hypothyroidism. I was put on Atorvastatin three and a half years ago to raise good cholesterol. But I moved area, and this has never been looked at again.

Is it possible to come off these meds safely?.

Thank you for all the good info on this forum.

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Batty1 in reply toMannequin18

I’m not sure you should talk to your doctor since you have been on that for so long WITHOUT a test?

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Mannequin18 in reply toBatty1

Thank you for your reply.

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helvellaAdministrator in reply toMannequin18

Without testing, I doubt anyone could know if you are even responding to the Atorvastatin treatment!

However, a considerable group of patients does not respond to statin treatment, and the reason for this is still not completely understood.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/322...

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Mannequin18 in reply tohelvella

Thank you for the information.

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vocalEK

health.harvard.edu/heart-he...

Unique side-effect risks in women

Like any other medicine, statins can have side effects. Back in February, the FDA announced changes in the labeling of these drugs to include warnings about memory loss and confusion, increases in blood sugar levels, and—for lovastatin (Mevacor) in particular—interactions with drugs used to treat bacterial and fungal infections, as well as hepatitis C.

Some statin side effects—particularly a type of muscle pain called myalgia—may be more pronounced in women. "There is evidence from some studies that myalgias were reported somewhat more frequently in women than in men," Dr. Kostis says.

You may also have heard that statins increase the risk for diabetes in postmenopausal women, evidence that was based on a study of more than 150,000 women published in the January Archives of Internal Medicine. However, because this was only an observational study, it's hard to tell whether statins actually cause diabetes, or if women with high cholesterol are just more susceptible to getting diabetes. A 2010 analysis in The Lancet also found that statins slightly increase diabetes risk, but it concluded that the heart benefits from these drugs far outweigh the small increase in the risk of developing diabetes.

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Some years ago a doctor insisted I go on a statin medication. I developed sharp pains across the middle of my back. It took me nearly a year to stumble across information about rhabdomyaIosis. As an experiment, I stopped taking the pill. It took less than a week for the pain to disappear. I waited 2 weeks and tried again and within a day or two the pain came back. Then I stopped completely.

Once I went on adequate thyroid replacement (not until years later, of course), the cholesterol numbers became nicely normal. Until, of course, the money-hungry doctors and big pharma decide to reduce the limits again to bring millions more into their fold.

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High cholesterol linked to being under medicated/ hypothyroid ....especially low Ft3

100mcg levothyroxine plus 10mcg T3 ...may be enough to suppress TSH, but not necessarily give you optimal Ft3 and Ft4

Suggest you get thyroid levels tested leaving correct time gaps

Recommended on here that all thyroid blood tests should ideally be done as early as possible in morning and before eating or drinking anything other than water .

Last dose of Levothyroxine 24 hours prior to blood test. (taking delayed dose immediately after blood draw).

This gives highest TSH, lowest FT4 and most consistent results. (Patient to patient tip, best not mentioned to GP or phlebotomist)

If/when also on T3, make sure to take last third or half of daily dose 8-12 hours prior to test, even if this means adjusting time or splitting of dose day before test

Come back with new post once you get results

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