Vit B12

[Greenwall]

Hi

If 2 people have the same diet, ok, one eats a lot more meat, is there a reason the meat eater would have lower B12. Meat eater eats the same range of veg, but larger portions.

[greygoose]

If the meat-eater is hypo, then s/he probably has low stomach acid, which makes absorption of nutrients more difficult.

There is no B12 in vegetables.

[Buckley123 in reply to greygoose]

Can I ask would you get acid reflux with low acid or a lot of acid

Sorry to jump in x

[greygoose in reply to Buckley123]

Both. The symptoms are the same, which is what doctors can't understand and assume that all acid reflux is due to high acid.

Being hypo can cause low stomach acid, but so can low B12, so it's a vicious circle.

[Buckley123 in reply to greygoose]

Yeah I have low b12 and acid reflux pa and thyroid antibodies x

[greygoose in reply to Buckley123]

OK, so are you having B12 injections and taking a B complex?

Not much you can do about the antibodies, it just means you have Hashi's.

And, for the acid reflux, you probably need to raise your stomach acid level by taking apple cider vinegar in water before every meal, or something like that.

[Buckley123 in reply to greygoose]

Thanks 🙏

Yeah I take b12 via injection

Taking b complex since you advised a few days ago.

Apparently I don’t have hashimoto’s my t3 t4 tsh are all in range going too check again in a month x

[Greenwall in reply to Buckley123]

Hi Buckley. I'm glad my question helped you too.

[greygoose in reply to Buckley123]

Your FT4/3/TSH all being in-range doesn't mean you don't have Hashi's. In fact, it doesn't mean much at all.

[Buckley123 in reply to greygoose]

I know your right I’m sure I have it but no one will Liston to me any suggestions on who will or how I get a diagnosis xxx

[greygoose in reply to Buckley123]

No, I'm sorry, I can't help with that.

[Buckley123 in reply to greygoose]

No worries thanks again for all your help as per !

How are you ? X

[greygoose in reply to Buckley123]

You're welcome.

I'm pretty sick at the moment, with the worst cold ever! Not coping very well.

[Buckley123 in reply to greygoose]

Oh sorry to hear that wish you a speedy recovery ❤️

[greygoose in reply to Buckley123]

Thank you.

[Greenwall in reply to greygoose]

No diagnosis of hypo in the meat eater, but the other one (with higher B12) is hypo.

[greygoose in reply to Greenwall]

OK But, not being hypo doesn't mean s/he doesn't have low stomach acid. Being low in B12 can lower stomach acid, so it spirals down.

[Buckley123 in reply to greygoose]

Thanks 😊

Yeah I understand I think I am at the start of hypo it would explain a lot xx

[robert1957]

Yes poor stomach acid

[Nanaedake]

Poor nutrient absorption due to low stomach acid, or coexisting disease such as pernicious anaemia, coeliac or other low nutrient levels causing interference in factors that enable utilisation of B12 in the body.

[Greenwall in reply to Nanaedake]

Hi. What other nutrients are needed to help absorb B12?

[Nanaedake in reply to Greenwall]

Calcium, for example so vitamin D3 could be important and magnesium which helps calcium absorption. Some drugs interfere with calcium absorption and therefore may reduce B12.

I think this is the link.

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[Greenwall in reply to Nanaedake]

Thank you.

[Gambit62]

comparing B12 in two individuals is problematic.

The range for B12 is huge meaning that different people are okay at vastly different points in the serum B12 range.

Generally people retain serum B12 levels in quite a tight range which is right for them - using stores from the liver.

If you have an absorption process this also affects using stores as the release uses the same mechanism. This means that serum B12 really becomes a useful diagnostic test for an absorption problem if you are looking at significant drops over time (>20% as the test is only accurate to within 20%). A single test doesn't really tell you much about what is going on with the individual.

No clear answer to why people vary so much in where they need to maintain serum B12 levels - probably down to genetics and how well the many processes that use B12 in your cell run with a specific gene combination.

B12 only found in animal products so people who don't have animal products in their diet will eventually use up their stores of B12 - but this can take years and even decades as the amount of B12 used is quite small.

[Greenwall]

Huge thanks for your long reply.