Has anybody experimented with the carnivore diet?

[Simba145]

Obviously exploring for solutions, I’ve ordered my ultra thyroid test of medicheck so hopefully that’ll shine some light on things but that aside!

Has anyone got any experience with this since I’ve seen so much about people with autoimmune saying they feel so much better on it. I myself have done keto and it was the best I’ve felt for 2 months until something went wrong and I started feeling bad again, and carnivore is basically a dirty keto without any vegetables or food other than meat.

Does just eating meat potentially kill or rebalance gut bacteria or maybe just eliminates all foods that could be a potential trigger for your immune system?

Would certainly help get rid of sibo allowing for better b12 absorption and the prevention of gut bile consumption preventing the absorption of fat soluable vitamins?

Thoughts

[Greybeard]

I've bittten the heads off a few useless doctors. It didn't seem to help.

[SmallBlueThing in reply to Greybeard]

ROFL

[SmallBlueThing]

None of these fad diets are sustainable. An all meat diet might help in the short term with SIBO, but we gain benefits from fermenting carbs in other circumstances.

Looking at beef for example, you'd need about 2kg/day to meet your magnesium requirement; 5kg for calcium. Where would you get vitamin C?

Have you tried increasing your consumption of live (unpasteurised) fermented foods?

[Simba145 in reply to SmallBlueThing]

Disclosure I’ve had many gins. However I think it is sustainable, the calories you get from fatty meat (grass fed ideally) is easy to achieve and you eat organ meat such as liver to get your vitamin C.

Unpasteurised fermented?

Any time I’ve eaten fermented food it’s made me feel terrible (possibly because of sibo)

[SmallBlueThing in reply to Simba145]

5kg/day of raw beef liver for your vitamin C; 10kg if cooked.

Talk Like a Pirate Day is on 19th Sept, if you don't succumb to scurvy first

[Simba145 in reply to SmallBlueThing]

Well it’s an interesting point however not accurate, most meat contains vitamin C which is easily forgot but that aside. Vitamin c and glucos are structure similarly and therefore both compete for glucose transsporters which means you need far less vitamin c in the first place on a zero carb diet.

You can also look at inuet populations that live very healthy long lives without scurvy just eating this way since it’s there only source of meat.

[SmallBlueThing in reply to Simba145]

The vitamin C figures from beef liver are accurate, but you'll be trying to source muktuk I guess.

nutritionfacts.org/2018/07/...

erudit.org/fr/revues/etudin...

[humanbean]

You could check out this website - although it is heavily into self-promotion which I find off-putting :

shawn-baker.com/

Shawn Baker also has Twitter and Instagram accounts, if you are interested. I don't follow the man, I just see him retweeted by Prof Tim Noakes quite often (whose tweets I do read).

[Simba145 in reply to humanbean]

Thank you I’ll check it out

[Simba145]

Thank you for that it’s good to see open mindedness on this.

Think I’ll try it sometime next week when I have nothing on and will report back with my experience.

I listened to Jordan Peterson’s and his daughter on the joe rogan podcast, very interesting insights.

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I'll be interested to hear your take on it. I like vegetables so it wouldn't be my preference, but I follow Shawn Baker and am interested the Petersons experience of it. For me, I eat 2-3 times the meat as recommended in order to get enough iron (even now that I have very few periods).

[Cooper27]

The problem with the carnivore diet is that people these days only want to eat the good quality cuts of meat. The communities that have managed to survive on meat alone historically, eat the brains, eyes, organs and bone marrow. Without those, meat isn't nutritionally complete, and you do need some veg to complete the diet.

You may feel fine for a while, but it would catch up with you down the line.

I also think if you didn't find the keto diet sustainable, you'd also potentially struggle by taking it that step further.

You could always try it, but don't adopt it as a lifestyle!