WHERE TO BUY THE STOP THE THYROID MADNESS 2019 EDITION

[Jollypolly]

Does anyone know of easy access to the latest

edition of STOP THE THYROID MADNESS .....

I wrote to Amazon uk and they said they’d let me know...

USA Amazon is too expensive

And the website book plus shipping is too expensive ..

[BlueMundo]

I bought the latest version in paperback from Amazon UK for £16.95 on 11 June. Next day delivery with Prime so it was free P&P.

I must admit I didn’t look for it anywhere else or to get it cheaper.

[Jollypolly in reply to BlueMundo]

Oh, ok...every time I’ve checked it’s said it’s the 2011 edition..

I’ll re check.thanks.

[StitchFairy]

I think it might have a different title. I saw one by the same author called Hashimoto's: Taming the Beast, published this year. Personally I wouldn't waste my money on it. She's made a fortune out of hypo patients misery, as have so many other so called thyroid experts.

[Jollypolly in reply to StitchFairy]

Well that’s her latest BOOK ...I want the latest edition of STTM...as I’m sorrry..but I can’t agree with you ! I like her book...if I were to recommend one it’d be this...and I feel she writes genuinely.

[StitchFairy in reply to Jollypolly]

Wow, now she wants us to buy two books. If you've already read one of hers, what can there be in another two to make it worth forking out more money. Sorry, just my opinion and I expect most will disagree with me and be more than happy to bump up her bank account

[Jollypolly in reply to StitchFairy]

Well...of courseyou may be right...but respectfully I’d like to say that the whole subject is probably infinite as each of us is so different to another..the variables of thyroid disease and all the other subjects around it so many...

Two books , three books...will cover just some of it..and perhaps there are things in one of those books that just fits you, or me..or someone else!

But who’s arguing...who knows !

[StitchFairy in reply to Jollypolly]

Yeah, I know, I've been reading and learning around this thyroid stuff for many years. Thyroid hormone affects everything, so you can link it in to as much as you want and become utterly obsessed by it all. Been there, done that and now prefer to try and keep it in perspective and fill more of my time with other things too.

[Starlight1976 in reply to StitchFairy]

I read it when I was first diagnosed and lapped up every word but as I've learnt more about Thyroid problems I now find her book very biased towards NDT. I also think in places that she has adopted a victim mentally and her excessive bashing of the medical profession becomes wearing. I'm sure we all have our frustrations with Doctors etc but feel she takes it a little too far and for me it weakens her argument...I think she uses the term 'butthead' on one occasion. lol. I really like Isabella Wenz's book. I think her writing creates optimism that you will get better, is non-biased plus she has the scientific backgroud to back up what she is saying. I'm still glad that I read it though as reading wide ranging opinions has helped me to better understand Thyroid problems and different people's experiences. Might be worth checking out ebay as they sometimes have second-hand versions available.

[Hidden in reply to Starlight1976]

I agree with what you say about the bias towards NDT. The STTM community (book, website, forum) advocates the idea that NDT is the best thyroid hormone replacement for everyone, and that those who don't do well on it or prefer T3 only must be doing something wrong...they simply refuse to listen to diverging opinions. And I agree with your other argument: even if many doctors are sadly ignorant when it comes to alternative treatment of thyroid disorders, it becomes tiring to read about how all but a few doctors are basically idiots...arguments like that are not likely to make doctors more open-minded about NDT...!

[helvella Administrator in reply to StitchFairy]

Regarding her website (rather than book), unfortunately I don't trust it.

On one single page, I readily found the following issues (not all are particularly serious).

Mis-spelling: Activas (should be Actavis)

Mis-interpretation: Eudragit (a common sustain-released coating). Eudragit is a family of products which includes coatings. The coatings might be gastro-resistant, delaying breakdown until past the stomach, but they are not what I consider sustained release. I believe sustained or extended release needs something in the body of the tablet which slowly allows the active ingredient to leach out or has multiple beads with different coatings which release at different times.

Dead links: erfa-sa.erfa.net/ which takes you to

Welcome to

erfa.net

您正在访问的域名可以转让出售！ the domain is for sale!

Misinformation: Armour Thyroid does not contain gluten or lactose. Neither does Westhroid-P. Well, Westhroid-P is what we now know as WP Thyroid. On the same page, it says about WP Thyroid containing Lactose Monohydrate*

*Present in traceable amount as part of Thyroid USP (diluent)”

Can’t both be true!

Inconsistency: See Westhroid-P below. No, sorry, there is no longer a section called Westhroid-P

stopthethyroidmadness.com/a...

Maybe I am being pedantic? Maybe I don't like a web page that is so messy and inconsistent. Looks as if she dives in and makes a few changes when something occurs to her. It has not been properly revised in many, many years.

The site can have its uses. I try never to quote it and always look for verification elsewhere.

By the way: I entirely understand when people, including me!, make typos and spelling mistakes and so on in posts and responses here. But STTM is a web site which has been there for years. As such, it should aspire to much higher standards.

[Jollypolly in reply to helvella]

Well I can’t argue with that !

Fair enough ..

perhaps I’m too trusting sometimes ...

can only say I have several books on subject and here is my most used .. I find it very practical .. not to say it’s necessarily the last word in anything though ..

but appreciate your thoughtful input .

[helvella Administrator in reply to Jollypolly]

I am happy to say that many people have gained something from the site and her books.

[Hidden in reply to helvella]

Sorry, how was "eudragit" mis-interpreted?

[helvella Administrator in reply to Hidden]

By referring to it as a sustain-release coating it implies that the product is slow (or extended) release. Yes, some Eudragit products do impart sustain-release properties but what I think is that the product is more likely one of this range:

EUDRAGIT® for immediate release

EUDRAGIT® E polymers provide a range of attractive coating solutions to improve swallowability, mask unpleasant tastes or odors, and protect the API from light, moisture or oxygen. In addition to being insoluble in saliva and readily soluble in the stomach for improved absorption, they feature a low viscosity, have a high pigment binding capacity and provide excellent film adhesion. EUDRAGIT® polymers are neutral in taste and smell, to help mask the bitterness of certain APIs or other unpleasant odors. To improve swallowability, they enable smooth, glossy surfaces for a pleasant feel in the mouth and are highly effective in coatings as thin as 10 to 20 μm. In addition to granules, organic solutions and powders, we can also provide EUDRAGIT® E PO ReadyMix custom-made powder blends for fast suspension preparation. Pigments can also be consistently color-matched for batch-to-batch conformity.

healthcare.evonik.com/produ...

(Mind, the ingredient list quoted does not identify which Eudragit product at all.)

I have doubts that it is appropriate to use a sustain-release coating in conjunction with desiccated thyroid - successfully. We see many people insisting they have to chew it, and that the tablets require some digestion to release the active ingredients. I cannot see a permeable coating working in those circumstances.

What I think happened is that someone searched for Eudragit and found some of their other products which are sustain-release. And made an assumption.

[Hidden in reply to helvella]

Interesting theory! I have always believed Thyroid-S was sustained-release and that was the reason it suits some people better as energy levels rise more slowly...

I know that some doctors do not advocate the use of SR T3 so it would seem complicated to combine SR substances with thyroid hormone...because it could cause absorption problems?

[helvella Administrator in reply to Hidden]

diogenes has suggested that the very nature of desiccated thyroid itself acts in some measure to slow release.

After all, we believe that the thyroglobulin does to some extent bind thyroid hormone.

Also, interesting that Colin Dayan and Pete Taylor appear to be very interested in slow release T3.

[StitchFairy in reply to Hidden]

I've tried Thyroid-s and it certainly didn't feel like slow release to me, any more than all the other NDTs I've tried.

[MaisieGray in reply to StitchFairy]

It didn't to me either, nor did Naturethroid.

[Jollypolly in reply to helvella]

Again, with respect...

I have quite often spotted grammar mistakes etc on the Thyroid uk website,,.no examples to tell of but I’m not keeping a record...l.

I admire thyroid uk tremendously and respect it..and my regard isn’t

diminished because of poor English....

So...

[RedApple Administrator in reply to Jollypolly]

If you find spelling or grammar mistakes on Thyroid UK website, send them an email. They will gladly correct it asap!

[Jollypolly in reply to RedApple]

It’s fine....I can live with mistakes...I make plenty !

[jamesal0 in reply to helvella]

I just so wish Thyroid UK had a few more buttons other than the heart/like thingy. The way face booked now has the not like etc

[helvella Administrator in reply to jamesal0]

If you are using an up to date copy of Windows 10, you can use the Windows key + full stop. That will display the emoji selector.

Most (but not all) emoji characters can be used within posts and responses.

Other platforms (e.g. MacOS and IOS) have their own ways of entering emojis.

There is no guarantee that any given emoji character is identical on all platforms - or even shows at all.

[jamesal0 in reply to helvella]

🤮 - perfect. thanks

[MaisieGray]

I have the first two STTM books and in retrospect consider them a waste of money, so certainly wouldn't buy a third. I don't think I've ever gone back to either of them, whereas Dr Barry Durrant-Peatfield's book, and to a lesser degree/for different reasons, Izabella Wentz's book are used as often as needed. It was Dr P's book that absolutely got me T3 11 years ago on appeal. I bought the STTM books on the recommendation of someone, against my better judgement given that I don't like Bowater's attitude nor that of STTM more generally. I echo the points raised by both StitchFairy and Helvella, and feel that Bowater tends towards a bullying attitude should anyone have the temerity to disagree, especially about NDT.

[Jollypolly]

Ok ok everyone...clearly the Sttm books are not very much in Favour!

Perhaps I AM too trusting...

I just find the main book..the only one I have ..very Interesting and practical.

I’ve NEVER like the title or the front cover...

And no, none of us wants to be dismissive of the whole medical profession.

My gripe, and surelythe gripe of most of us using this site, is with the way the doctors are TRAINED ...

You can’t really blame them for not understanding when they are not enlightened in Medical School.

That said...I am rather amazed that, despite being overwhelmed with workload, ..doctors don’t start to question regarding thyroid disorders, and accept that a growing number of patients are not improving ....and that said patients are probably saying the same things,,,..

You’d think doctors would spend just a little time investigating further...

And that some would actually begin to change their attitude.

It’s a funny thing..but over the years I’ve come across a number of pharmacists who have no problem at all with accepting the reality of things...they are NHS also...and yet they seem to have a much better understanding of thyroid problems. I’ve also found the same with some dentists, though they tend to be the East European ones.

And my physiotherapist seems to know quite a bit about it..and has no problem telling ME that certain back problems are probably linked to Adrenals and thyroid.

[helvella Administrator in reply to Jollypolly]

My last GP appointment was with a doctor who was so proud to tell me that he wasn't just a GP but something like a member of the Royal College of Physicians. That was why he was sure about my TSH being a bit low - though he eventually did agree to continue prescribing at the same dose as I had been taking for well over a year.

(I had increased by 12.5 by myself!)

[Jollypolly]

Well there you go then !