Does Vitamin D in Tablet form make your muscles achy?

Thank goodness for this forum!!

This is because tinkerbell22 has just shared that vitamin d in tablet form makes her muscles ache

So, she stopped it and tried the spray version and her muscle aches disappeared!

Thank you tinkerbell22!!

This is SO interesting because I increased my vitamin D this week, at the suggestion of so many on this forum, to about 3 times what I normally take, to 800 iu, and my usual Sunday 60 m ride today was the worst I have ever done, as my muscles, the vastus medialis mainly, (the main cycling muscles) were so achy both during the ride and now

I also noticed this 2 years ago, when I had a similar experience with achy muscles on my Sunday ride after taking 1000iu Vit d for a few days before my Sunday ride, but didn't link the 2 together!

So, has anybody had a similar experience with vitamin d in tablet form please?

Thank you

Alps holiday

[JacqS71]

Hello. All I can say is that I spent a fortune on massage and chiropractic for years. Then I started spray Vit D - 4 sprays on the tongue in the morning. I have not been to the chiropractor for three months. I have cancelled my regular massages. It has been life changing. I was low on D so am taking 4000. About to get tested, but I think I will need to stay on a high does. That’s an aside - however, it is worth getting tested. Never took the tablets so I cannot make the comparison you are maybe looking for. Maybe someone else can.

Jacqui

[MaisieGray in reply to JacqS71]

If by "sprays onto the tongue" you mean onto its upper surface, you are likely losing some if not all the benefits of taking it in spray form. It is designed for sublingual or buccal administration, so that by being absorbed through the mucous membrane under the tongue or in the cheek area and into the many tiny capillaries there, it passes via the jugular vein I believe, into the blood stream. Spraying onto the top of the tongue won't have the same effect and you're more likely to simply swallow it and take it up by the normal oral route.

[Hidden in reply to MaisieGray]

Thank you Maisie gray for your very interesting post re the technique that is best used for sprays, that is under the tongue or into the cheeks

Thank you again

Alps holiday

[Hidden in reply to JacqS71]

Thank you jacqs71 for your nice reply

And great that you have found that spray Vit d has worked for you

Maybe my aches were caused because the Vit d tablets I took from H +B had excipients in it as seasidesusie has suggested?

I have certainly learnt a lot more about Vit d than I did last night

After learning from tinker bell 22 that the Vit d tablet form may be the cause of our muscle aches

Something I never would have considered in a lifetime!

Thank you tinkerbell22!

Thank goodness for this forum and the helpful people here!!

Thank you

Alps holiday

[SeasideSusie Remembering]

All tablets have excipients and you could be reacting to something.

Why not try the purest form of D3 that you can find. Two suggestions:

Doctor's Best softgels which contain just 2 ingredients - Vitamin D3 (as Cholecaliferol) and Extra Virgin Olive Oil in a Softgel Capsule (Bovine Gelatin, Glycerin, Purified Water)

Vitabay Organics liquid which contains D3 as cholecalciferol (vegetable) and oil to aid absorption - Orange vegetable oil, tangerine oil (vegetable), olive oil (vegetable).

Many members use the BetterYou oral spray but it does have many inactive ingredients:

Xylitol, water, acacia gum, sunflower lecithin, citric acid, preservative: potassium sorbate, peppermint oil.

[Hidden in reply to SeasideSusie]

Thank you seasidesusie

Most interesting reply

I had never considered that it may be the excipients in the tablets to blame

Doctors Best does sound as pure as you can get

Thank you

Alps holiday

[SeasideSusie Remembering in reply to Hidden]

As you are vegan, you may not be happy with Doctor's Best softgels as I believe the D3 is lanolin from sheep's wool and the softgels containe bovine gelatin. In this case the Vitabay Organics liquid would be more suitable.

[greygoose]

Do you take vit K2 with your vit D? Taking vit d increases absorption of calcium from food, and the K2 makes sure it gets into the bones and teeth, and doesn't build up in the blood and soft tissues. Excess calcium can cause achy muscles. Just a thought.

[Hidden in reply to greygoose]

Thank you grey goose for that

Yes I do take K2, which takes the calcium out of the blood and into the bones, where it belongs

My wife "found" this for me

I take calcium as a Vegan diet is lacking in it

Thank you

Alps holiday

[greygoose in reply to Hidden]

An awful lot of veg contain calcium, you know. Carrots and dried beans, for example, and lentils and all seeds. And fruit, like oranges. Dried fruit contains a lot of calcium. Dairy isn't the only source.

Have you actually had your calcium tested? Could be you're getting far too much and that is causing your leg aches.

[Hidden in reply to greygoose]

Thank you grey goose

I shall limit my calcium to 1 g a day

Thank you

Alps holiday

[greygoose in reply to Hidden]

You're welcome. But, do get your calcium tested.

[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

Hi grey goose

My last calcium check was on 4/4/19

Corrected CA 2.40 (2.20-2.60)

This was on a diet of 1 litre of soya daily

Which contained 1.2 g of calcium

Plus, a tablet of 600 CA and D3

I've since stopped soya after someone here said it may be goitre genic and just take 1g of CA plus 400 iu of D3 a day

Thanks for all your many helpful pointers!

Alps Holiday

[Hidden in reply to Hidden]

Please read

" which contained 1.2 g of calcium"

Thank you

Alps holiday

[dtate2016 in reply to greygoose]

I wonder if I’m taking too much K2? I take vitamin D3 all the time and I have been tested and it is low even taking 2000 I.U. Per day. I tried taking the K2 but it makes me feel worse I wonder if I’m taking too much? One that I have tried is the MK7 form 90 mg. I’ve also tried an “all natural” derived from organically - it doesn’t seem to matter. Blood pressure goes up, etc. I do not feel well when I’ve tried it. presently my Dr. has prescribed 5000 I.U. Of D3 per day, and it seems to be fine. Still - I am worried about calcification of soft tissue. Any other helps for calcium going where it needs to go other than K2?

[greygoose in reply to dtate2016]

Have you tried K2 - MK4? Or, you could try eating more foods that contain K2, like eggs, full fat dairy, liver or fermented foods like sauerkraut.

[HLAB35]

On a similar note to Grey Goose do you take Magnesium with your Vitamin D? Magnesium gets depleted through sweat and exertion - a 60 mile bike ride would definitely use up Magnesium ( and Potassium). It is needed to turn vitamin D into its active form and regulates the uptake of Calcium. I take vitamin D in Dr Sarah Myhill's mineral mix which has a physiological blend of electrolytes with vitamin d and b12.

[Hidden in reply to HLAB35]

Thank you hlab35

Yes I do take magnesium, calcium, k2, and b12 as supplements

Not potassium as I do love bananas!

Thanks

Alps holiday

[HLAB35 in reply to Hidden]

As Greygoose has pointed out you can get muscle aches if one favors vitamin d and calcium over magnesium... particularly in the summer when we exercise more and have more sun on our skins. The ratios are important.

Our diet should have a 2:1 ratio of Calcium to Magnesium. The ratios can easily get skewed on a Western Diet. Being vegan should help you enormously to be fair, but still there are plenty of things like tea, for example, that binds to Magnesium to prevent its absorption.

This link (for CFS / Fibro sufferers) explains how Magnesium gets lost from the body or fails to be absorbed.

drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Magnesi...

[Hidden in reply to HLAB35]

Thank you hlab35

I shall increase my magnesium to 300 mgs a day

Thank you

Alps holiday

[AnneEvo]

I've not had any problems myself when I have taken tablet form. Currently on liquid form with olive oil.

[Hidden in reply to AnneEvo]

Thank you Anne evo

Yes bookish has also said that Vit d in olive oil has helped

Thanks

Alps holiday

[bookish]

That's interesting, thank you for posting. I started to get more muscle pain supplementing Vit D then read Dr Gominak on Rightsleep talking about B vitamin relationship with Vit D and particularly the resultant low B5 causing pain. Have a look at the Sleep and Vitamins page and the Vitamin D page drgominak.com/vitamin-d/. I use Nature's Answer Vit D3 drops (in olive oil) which I am very impressed with (and don't react to, unlike most things). Cheers.

[Hidden in reply to bookish]

Thank you bookish for your informative reply

Sorry to hear you too had muscle aches with the tablet form of Vit D

and something I had not considered at all, re low B5

Thank you also for the link to drgominak which I have just read

And also your contribution that Natures Answer D3 drops in olive oil us helped you

Thank again

Alps holiday

[Angel_of_the_North]

800iu wouldn't make a difference to an albino gnat, so I doubt it is that

[Hidden in reply to Angel_of_the_North]

Thank you angel of the north

I was looking for views on whether Vit d tablets are able to cause muscle aches, not the quantity you have take

Seasidesusie, for example, has suggested that it might be the excipients in the tablet itself - very interesting and I shall dig deeper re her point

I of course agree that Vit d is essential

Not sure about the 4000iu I've seen suggested on here many times though!

Thanks

Alps holiday

[Angel_of_the_North in reply to Hidden]

Yes could be the excipients/additives in anything you take, breathe, drink or eat. Sometimes things are fine on their own, but you react to a certain mixture. I'd go with oil based emulsions or sprays are you are more likely to absorb them

[Runfatgirlrun71]

Wow all. I am just getting onto this advice and feel I need a chemistry lesson, I take just vit D but do have a hey legs sometimes. I take 125mg levo (meant to take 150 but it makes my IBS unbearable ).

Is there somewhere o can read what supplements to try ? So I took from here get some Vit D spray, magnesium, K2,

Should I get a certain level ?

My apologies for interrupting.

[HLAB35 in reply to Runfatgirlrun71]

IBS symptoms are no longer an issue for me after decades of pointless suffering. I have found the following helps...

No gluten - zero

Some goat dairy cheese and organic cow dairy butter, but no cow based casein and no lactose ( unsweetened coconut milk is good)

Vitamin B5 - brilliant for gut transit and good for the brain as it lowers stress and it also prevents the weight gain around our middles which occurs with cortisol issues

answers.yahoo.com/question/...

Vitamin C taken with Celtic Sea Salt help the stomach and the adrenals - take 1/2 hour before eating

bellalindemann.com/adrenal-...

Magnesium - I have bitten the bullet and gone for an expensive liquid form. Drinking tea or coffee limits the uptake of the mineral from tablets. Epsom Salt baths and Better You Magnesium sprays are great for aching limbs and extremities - my mildly arthritic hands for example benefit from the lotion to keep the joints supple.

dummies.com/health/diseases...

Freshly made bone broth (full of amino acids) is good for the gut. The only caveat is that it becomes very histamine rich when left in the fridge for too long. I've heard about vegetable broths being good, but I wonder how rich in glycine they can be..

doctordoni.com/2015/10/bone...

Vitamin B2 is good for mucus membranes.

organicfacts.net/health-ben...

Limiting histamine in the diet, so no cold meats or smoked foods.

alisonvickery.com.au/the-hi...

I still get flare ups of other symptoms, but I have put IBS to rest for the time being, I hope.

[Runfatgirlrun71]

Thank you so much for doing this. Lots of stuff for me x