Natural sourced supplements?

[Danielj1]

A very happy Christmas to everyone here!

Given most shops sell supplements if 2 months supply, it does not take long to run out and have the chance to try other options.

I have changed approach a lot this time with the desire to consolidate as far as possible and make life simple.

I found a supplier of a multi vit that I understand can provide the same or perhaps better quality than individual supplements - US firm callled naturelo.

So current list is:

Naturelo multivitamin 1 day

Magnesium oil spray

Cod liver oil

Black cumin seed oil

North American kelp-200mcg

Selenium is now down from 200 to 50 but let’s see how this goes.

If this does work I will be saving a fair amount of money I suspect.

[Danielj1]

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I still remain unclear over benefits of cod liver oil - any others have views here. They may be one of drop at some stage now that I have beef liver supplements.

[EbonyEvans in reply to Danielj1]

I avoid it in favour of Omega 3. The liver cleans the system so I believe I’m getting the dregs of oil. I tend to think why put sewage water in my body when I can get fresh lake water?

[greygoose]

Is this the one?

amazon.com/Whole-Food-Multi...

It contains iron, which will block the absorption of all the vitamins. The quality of the ingredients is not exactly the best, either. Cyanocobalamin instead of methylcobalamin, and magnesium oxide, which is the most difficult to absorb. And it doesn't say which vit K it contains, which suggests they don't know the difference.

All multivits are a huge con, just a waste of money for various reasons. I would never recommend one.

[Danielj1 in reply to greygoose]

naturelo.org/product/one-da...

I think this may change your view greygoose?

[greygoose in reply to Danielj1]

Well, no, not really. OK, so there's no iron in it, but it's highly unlikely that you need calcium or copper, and iodine really isn't recommended for hypos. And, there's so little vit C in it that you'd end up taking extra pills to get more vit C. And there's not enough magnesium, either. Both vit C and magnesium are very important for hypos. And as for B12, 12 mcg is laughable. So, if you have any deficiencies, you'd end up taking a lot of separate pills to make up the short-fall, anyway. So, whilst it's not the worst multi I've seen, it is rather inadequate for hypos.

[helvella in reply to greygoose]

greygoose,

Couldn't agree more.

The vitamin A, from D. salina, would appear to be betacarotene - a vitamin A precursor - not pre-formed vitamin A. Hypothyroid people often have impaired ability to convert it to vitamin A.

"Our vitamins come from real food" - yes, well, a few identify some source information, but where do you get methylcobalamin from other than a tank of bugs in a factory/lab?

Contains Organic Carrot (root) 10 mg - have you any idea how small a quantity of carrot that is? I just weighed one carrot - 110 grams. That is 11,000 times as much as they claim. Even if I dried the carrot, that would be 1320 times as much.

I could carry on. It shouts "I am a product designed to look good in listings" rather than actually being an excellent supplement for hypothyroid people.

And why would greygoose want One Daily Multivitamin for Men?

[greygoose in reply to helvella]

lol

Greygoose is all woman!

[Danielj1]

I am happy to agree if someone has individual needs no generic type pill will be right.

I don’t want iron, my b12 was way over the scale 12 months ago and was told to ease back on this, need zinc and in theory it looks perfect. I add a further 200mcg of iodine to the 50mcg in this to meet my needs.

I suspect some here are precluded from any multivit as almost all of them have RDA levels of iodine.

Early days - see how I get on.

[Danielj1 in reply to Danielj1]

There are ladies versions - will look at your comments in more detail later.

[greygoose in reply to Danielj1]

A B12 'over the scale' is not a problem. The problem is that once you stop supplementing, the level is likely to drop rapidly.

As for the iodine, all I can say is 'why?'; Extra iodine is not recommended for hypos, unless it is iodine deficiency that is making you hypo. Is it? Have you had it tested? Are you being followed by a doctor who is an expert on iodine supplementation?

Yes, you're getting zinc from that multi, but you're also getting copper. The two need to be balanced. Hypos usually have high copper and low zinc, so by taking the RDA of both, you are maintaining the imbalance.

[Danielj1]

naturelo.org/about-us/

They claim to use ingredients 3 times price of competition - I took much time researching these - so if you think they are so poor please come back on all the individual points on this web link.

They may not be perfect but for those like me who would much prefer a multivit, if these are one of the better ones quality wise they need careful consideration 🌝

From a wider perspective if you follow magnesium protocol rules you are not supposed to be supplementing any form of D (along with calcium, iron and copper as you note) - so the fact these are low in these areas does no harm.

[greygoose in reply to Danielj1]

On the contrary, if you supplement vit D, you need to supplement magnesium, it's one of the cofactors. And taking vit d can lower your magnesium - most people are deficient to start with.

[helvella in reply to Danielj1]

Danielj1,

The betacarotene from D. salina might be the finest betacarotene in the universe. It might cost ten, a hundred or a thousand times as much as carrots.

If you cannot convert it to retinol, it just makes your skin go orange.

[Danielj1 in reply to helvella]

gotmag.org/the-root-cause-p...

NOs - vitamin D, copper, absorbic acid, iron, calcium

YESs- zinc, cod liver oil, beef liver, taurine, boron, kelp, magnesium, natural sources of B/C and other vitamins

Also need to avoid fluoride etc.

I have not researched all of the items above eg taurine and boron so my list above ticks a number on his protocol and so i see this very much as a first step.

Kelp seems to get a very mixed press on these threads and I see this as rather odd to be honest.

Kelp’s benefits are widely reported and when taken with selenium research shows helps thyroid function. I felt far better for taking it.

Dairy free diets I see as being low in iodine and supplementing to daily RDA levels seems common sense. My

50 dose of thyroxine will not have anything like RDA levels of iodine.

I take the point an iodine check is helpful at some stage and essential if undergoing heavy iodine doses as part of iodine high dosing protocol. I have no plans to contact a specialist for the latter despite having read his intriguing book on the merits of doing this.

All the various sources I follow are comfortable that this approach is sensible.

[Danielj1 in reply to Danielj1]

organicfacts.net/health-ben...

No use for anyone advised not to take it, for remainder almost need to justify why not to take it with such a long list of benefits ?