Fluoride is known to affect the thyroid gland.
Is there past research in West Yorkshire in the UK when a survey was conducted after water
was added to the water in the 1970's or earlier? Are there any other counties in the Uk with fluoride added to the water? Is there any current research concerning fluoride in foods, tooth paste and pan linings.
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In addition, try Googling:
"Fluoride + thyroid"
"West Yorkshire Fluoride Survey"
"Fluoride in food"
"Fluoride in toothpaste"
"Fluoride in pan linings"
Thank you for such a prompt reply. Will have to do some homework.
I live in West Yorkshire and to my knowledge they haven't added fluoride to our water? At least, we always thought they hadn't! Going to have to google it now...
Think it is west midlands rather than west yorkshire - apologies but post was an enquiry rather than factual proof. Hill walker and Seaside Susie have mentioned their areas have fluoridated water. BMJ article jech.bmj..com. and birminghammail.co.uk
The article used the phrase "predicting prevalence of hypothyroid," inferring that fluoride in the water in these areas was affecting the thyroid.
West Midlands, yes. I think the Birmingham area might have been the first in the country to introduce fluoride into the water supply. I double checked West Yorkshire and, no, thankfully we don't have it here.
County Durham has fluoride added to the water supply. When I moved here from an unfluoridated area in the early 1990s, my thyroid health was already slowly deteriorating on levo, so I can't put all the blame at the door of fluoridation. That said, my health deteriorated much more rapidly after the move, even though it was a very positive step for us in other ways.
You don't think to ask your estate agent is there fluoride in the water when you move!
This should be specified in house details with council tax and water suppliers in the area. You can buy a water distiller which removes all traces of fluoride from a firm called h20 just google water distiller - it does about 2 litres of water at a time and is electric. It has good reviews.
Have you found a decline since taking levo over the past few years as the formulation has been altered, so unless you know it is a specific need in your health care,T3 which converts to T2 may have been removed from prescriptions. You have to ask your endo for a prescription with T3 in it. Drug companies are using generic drugs which
are licenced and distributed under marketing facilities with large combi companies
who may be importing the drugs through a euro label, or from the usa, but the drugs may be made in EU block countries or India, and might not have the same level
of quality control as other countries such as Germany. Ireland is a route for many drugs from the Eu which now include many countries which are linked to Europe, but are not EU members such as Latvia Balkan countries. Hope you don't think this is a pile of rubbish - but the cuts in nhs funding has dented the provision of high drug standards in some cases.
Sorry, I should have said that I moved on to T3 monotherapy about 10 years ago, but thanks for all the info on levo. In fact, I noticed the quality and potency of levo tablets declining quite a long time ago.
I think your idea of including fluoridation in estage agent details is a good one. I view it as compulsory medication. We did look into an osmotic filter for drinking and bathing, but they cost a lot to buy and even more to run. It's a difficult one.
The water distiller is a bit over a hundred pounds but not as expensive as black Friday coffee machines. It's drinking that might domore harm than
bathing. I would buy one but my maxtra cartridge is ok for screening out chlorine which I can taste in our water, but may have to filter several times before it tastes right. I even cook vegetables in filtered water-
washing salads too
Apparently tannins are present in roasted beans such as coffee and mostly in tea. I found these were harmful. Since cutting out tea altogether I feel better. It's the roasting of the beans and tea leaves which creates the carbons and the dyes. I did some research on nutrition resource org .uk where they showed how tannins affect the absorption of iron in the blood. All my cups and mugs were lined with dark staining, so now I drink Ribena hot or cold with no added sugar, which I find helps. The nutrition site explains how even supermarket teas may have fluoride in them probably where the teas are grown, may be in India where there are areas of high fluoride or may be from the uk - from industrial waste creeping into the system. Who knows! Typhoo and Twinings are said not to contain fluoride.
I used to live in Birmingham, the first area to have flouride added to water, it was added in 1964. In 1973/74 I started with symptoms of hypothyroidism and was diagnosed around 1974/75. Years later my mother was diagnosed, then my sister in law. All of us lived in Birmingham.
There is an article in the BMJ about a research report jech.bmj.com/content/early/... which says
Findings We found that higher levels of fluoride in drinking water provide a useful contribution for predicting prevalence of hypothyroidism. We found that practices located in the West Midlands (a wholly fluoridated area) are nearly twice as likely to report high hypothyroidism prevalence in comparison to Greater Manchester (non-fluoridated area).
And a report in the Birmingham Evening Mail birminghammail.co.uk/news/m... mentions 30% higher than expected rate of underactive thyroid
I don't think we'd like to read the following. I read, quite a time ago. that it was a cheaper way to dispose of a poison.
I particularly think of children whose toothpaste contains flouride. Why would flouride be put in those as the publicity is that it protects teeth but baby teeth drop out anyway.
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How come every dentist seems to be brainwashed and flogs the 'flouride is good for teeth' line. Do they never think for themselves, or do their own research? My dentist keeps on about flouride toothpaste. I don't even bother getting into discussion any more, I have one of those dentists who knows everything about everything!
Yep! it's the same thing everywhere you go - a lot of high powered industrialists
with government links promoting fluoride. Nothing you can do about brainwashing with misinformation. Just go your own way!
every time I see children put too much toothpaste on their brush I worry about them for the future.
The doctors are similar to dentists in that I doubt neither read research and take the easy way out. How many doctors leave patients with severely low vits/minerals and insufficient thyroid hormones because they are 'in range'.
What incredibly logical response as to why children are using fluoride toothpaste
when their milk teeth drop out. I can't believe that it is permissible to sell
fluoride toothpaste as it is so poisonous if swallowed accidentally. especially in children. We have no warning of this health hazard but are bombarded every day with
adverts for fluoride as a protection for our health.
What about this excerpt:-
According to him, children below six years may be given a “pea size” quantity of toothpaste and not the usual “two centimetre” quantity. Moreover, brushing should always be under adult supervision and the children should be made to spit out the toothpaste.
Dr Rahmatullah also cautions that toothpaste containing fluoride and meant for sensitive teeth or whitening teeth should not be given to children. Television commercials often feature school children, suggesting that all types of toothpaste are good for youngsters. While the “benefits” are published in big letters and prominently on the toothpaste tube and box, the warning, “not meant for children below six or 12 years” is mostly in fine print, which parents generally fail to read.
Dr K. Sasikiran, general physician at Yashoda Hospitals, recommends that parents should be selective about the toothpaste they choose for their kids.
“If there are small children at home, ordinary toothpaste without chemical additives, foaming agents or abrasives should be preferred. Adults may use special types of toothpaste depending on the problem they suffer from,” he says. He cautions parents against using toothpaste with high fluoride content. “Though fluoride is known to fight dental caries, it actually causes dental caries in small children if used in excess. Different brands of toothpaste have varying content of fluoride. If a child swallows toothpaste with high content of fluoride, it may lead to spinal deformities. Whitening or bleaching agents added to toothpaste cause gastritis in children. In a few cases, it may even lead to cancer, Dr Sasikiran warns. Fluoride is good if taken in small quantities, but toothpastes with a high fluoride content cause concern.
Just imagine this. Everyone knows that Nalgonda district is notorious for the high fluoride content of its water. One can see people with deformed teeth, curved spines and bent limbs in several villages in the district.
The content of fluoride in ground water in Nalgonda’s villages ranges between 0.4 ppm and 20 ppm (parts per million). The upper limit considered safe is 0.5 ppm of fluoride in drinking water. The average fluoride toothpaste contains 1100 ppm.
This in other words means your toothpaste contains 55 times more fluoride content that the upper limit (20 ppm) found in ground water in Nalgonda, which is notorious for fluorosis.
If a child swallows fluoride toothpaste regularly, he or she is 55 times more prone to fluorosis than a villager living in fluoride-hit Nalgonda. The total intake of fluoride through all sources of food and water should not exceed 8 ppm perday for an adult. For children it is much lower. In the case of children, if the fluoride content exceeds 1.5 ppm it will lead to dental fluorosis.
Senior dentist Dr K. Satyendra Kumar argues that fluoride and other chemicals present in toothpaste are harmful for children as the enamel of their teeth is porous. “Fluoride toothpaste contains between 1100 and 1600 ppm of fluoride content. Certain toothpastes contain harmful abrasive agents. Anti-tartar toothpastes are meant for those over 18 years while toothpastes for sensitive teeth are recommended for middle aged and older persons,” he adds.
Most permanent teeth start erupting when a child turns 12 years. At this stage care should be taken against rampant use of toothpaste containing harmful chemicals. Whitening agents, for instance, observes Dr Satyendra Kumar, bleaches the tooth and produces “nascent oxygen”, which is not good for children. “Normal toothpaste can be used from the time of the first tooth eruption. Half the pea sizecan be used up to six years. Between six and 15 years, toothpaste with low fluoride content can be used,” he suggests.
Apart from fluoride, toothpastes often contain triclosan, which is said to produce chloroform when it reacts with chlorinated water supplied by municipal bodies. Foaming agents like sodium lauryl sulphate, hydrated silica and saccharin are also added to toothpaste. Fluoride is generally added in the form of sodium fluoride, which is one of the main ingredients in poison meant to kill rodents.
Surfactant, originally a detergent, is also added in some types of toothpaste. Regular intake of surfactant is like eating your washing soap. While more grown up children can develop dental fluorosis, little children in the age of tooth development run the risk of enamel fluorosis if the intake of fluoride through toothpaste is high. This could cause discoloration of the teeth, white teeth turn brownish or black.
aralysis is also a possibility although I doubt that concentrations in toothpaste are high enough to do this,” Dr Sharmila says.............
She has a warning for parents: “If a child accidentally does consume an entire tu be of toothpaste, parents should regard it as any other acute poisoning and rush the child to the nearest emergency room.” Senior prosthodontist Dr M. Sirajur Rahman of King Kothi Government Area Hospital, warns that toothpaste containing phosphoric acid, potassium nitrate and fluoride content should not be given to small children.
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They don't have to spend so much money in safe disposal - just put it in common drinking water.
I read the article with alarm - have sent an e mail to my daughter to throw the fluoride toothpaste away. Children like the mint taste and could eat it as a sweet - I can't see many parents throwing away toothpaste - no one seems to take fact seriously - the power of advertising is too strong!
We assume because it is for children it will be safe. Until we read some of the above. How many of us would read the tiny print on toothpaste tubes. None I should think.
It sounds awful that some areas are fluoridating drinking/cooking water. That's not right at all. Especially as we get older bones may get softer normally and if flouride causes bone deformaties goodness knows what next.
I think I shall have to lighten up. The more someone reads - best not to 
There are many toothpastes that are safer without fluoride; Tom's of Main, Jason, and xylitol which is a sugar that is actually actually good for teeth (but not for dogs).
My teeth, what's left wolf them, aren't good and my then new dentist was horrified I wouldn't use fluoride toothpaste. I told him that years ago they used to give fluoride to people who were hyperthyroid to kill it off a little but no response. Then I went to the Thyroid Uk symposium in the midlands xo a few years ago now but one of the displays had info re the dangers of fluoride so I picked up an extra copy and gave it to my dentist! He has never commented and probably has to toe the usual line but since then no mention of fluoride and if he sees the starts of a cavity then then it's filled asap!
Fluoride (and chlorine) displaces iodine, so it must have an effect on the thyroid.
Buy a large jug. Put the water in it and leave it overnight and the floride in the water evaporates. No need for filters.
serenfach,
Sadly, I don't think that works.
Chlorine does indeed dissipate when left in a jug as you say. But fluoride doesn't. We wouldn't expect seawater to lose its salt content (sodium chloride) - remember it is evaporation from vast salt pans that is used to concentrate brine when collecting sea-salt. Still less would I expect fluoride to rise up and disappear.
A water distiller is said to be one method of eliminating fluoride in water. I would definitely buy one if our area had fluoridated water.
My daughter who is 12 came home from school about 3 weeks ago and said that they were learning about this at school and how important flouride is but she told them "it is poison " as she and her friend had googled it. She was told it's not true and will not harm you as its needed for keeping our teeth healthy.
I am now throwing out the toothpaste!! Holland and barratt here i come. Also googling about the water in our area.thankyou for this valuable info.😨
If you look at Shaw's administrator you'll see all the information with a website
on fluoride alert ( fluoride action network (which tells you if a child eats colgate toothpaste or any fluoride toothpaste ,it can be fatal! How many kids do you know that suck the toothpaste
as they clean their teeth! I bought children's toothpaste from Coop to use and our local store does Arm and Hammer which is sodium bicarbonate - it used to be four quid
a tube!. Rugby on this afternoon so hubby is hogging the telly!
Boo to rugby!! Oh well you can catch up on tuk or can you watch a film on a ipad or tablet or you could bake a cake?xx
My kizzie wont touch the toothpaste now- ive binned it anyway.
That's one less worry off your mind - plenty of good other ones without it.
Ive just googled it looks like shropshire does not have it but it did state that all water has it naturally present!! Dont know how true that is?x
Not all areas have natural fluoride - the amount can be affected by bore holes, and floods, with contamination from industry. Fluoride is a by product of the aluminium industry and contains lead and arsenic! County Durham, Brmingham and West Midlands and parts of Ireland - still waiting to see if anyone can find other areas.
What it means is that if your water comes from ground water, which my area does then the flouride will be naturally high, so this is why it is not added further-so cant win really!
Think an administrator said that you can ask your local water board for the levels
in your area. Go back to Shaws for info- the normal levels are in fluoride alert article.
May be it is the council who has to give you the levels as well that is if they add to natural levels. Industrial levels are far higher than natural levels so that is why they are toxic. You can buy a water distiller from firm called h2o which costs less than a coffee
maker and distils the water so you have no fluoride in your drinking water.
This may be a contributory factor for your thyroid - though it was used for hyperactive
thyroid but yours went hyper. It can cause hypothyroid in normal people who have had it added to the water. Look at seaside Susie's post and hillwalkers!
Did contact severn trent water for our area and they did say flouride would not be added to the tf2 areas as we have grounded water but all water as it naturally. I will look into this.x
If you google Namaste Barry Durrant Peatfield fluoride, you will get a good read about how dangerous it is. xx
Wish people would believe the facts about fluoride as most people think we are round the bend!
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