vit B complex

[frian]

can you please advise me which vit B complex I should take I cant remember the one you say is not good and to avoid many thanks

[Maud04]

I have bought Jarrows B Complex to go a;ong with B12 injections Got them on Amazon

[SeasideSusie Remembering]

frian There are two B Complex supplements frequently suggested by members. One is Thorne Basic B (I've used this one) and the other is Jarrows B Right. A couple of people didn't get on with the Jarrows for some reason.

Both Thorne and Jarrows contain vitamin B9 as Methylfolate which is the best form as it is natural. Cheaper supplements tend to use folic acid which is synthetic and the body has to convert it to folate and we're not all good at that.

[Hidden]

Personally, I wouldn't recommend taking any B-complex unless you are sure you need to take all the B vits included, in the amounts stated. I found out the hard way that I'm intolerant to many B vits takens as supplements. So many people seem to think B vit supplements are harmless because you just pee out the excess that your body doesn't want. That may be true, but it doesn't mean you can't have negative side effects along the way before you've flushed them out of your body.

[Cariad-y-Mor in reply to Hidden]

Hi Hidden - am a bit confused ( doesn't take alot with a typical thyroid foggy brain ! ) about the B complex. I thought we needed to take a B Complex alonside vitamin B12 in order " to balance out the B vitamins " ?

[greygoose in reply to Cariad-y-Mor]

We do, but some people don't get on with it. Could be because they can't absorb the methyl form, or it could be because of the B6 - which isn't good for some people - or for some other reason. Who knows. But the only way you're going to know is to try it.

[Cariad-y-Mor in reply to greygoose]

Thanks greygoose - yes I am currently trying a B Complex with lower doses to see if that suits me better. 🌻

[Hidden in reply to Cariad-y-Mor]

I know bernie51, that's what many people say and they may be right. I just wanted to pass on my personal experience in case it's helpful to anyone reading here. In order to figure out why I seemed to feel bad on a 50 Bcomplex, I tried each of the B vits individually (rather than lumped together in a complex). Not a cheap experiment, but worthwhile for me.

As Greygoose sugests below, I had a problem with B6 - it had a horrible effect on my mental state during sleep. Awful nightmares! And one of the others upset my tummy - can't recall now if it was B1 or B2 . And I found I couldn't tolerate biotin either. So all in all, B vit supplements are very definitely not useful to me.

I think it's good to be aware of the fact that we are all different and what seems harmless to one may not be for another. Just as some do fine on levothyroxine and others don't

[Cariad-y-Mor in reply to Hidden]

Yes that is so true @Gingerbread. My daughter sourced the lower dosage B Complex for us as the higher dose did not seem to suit us....weird new symptoms at the time. I had also done some backgroundcreading and found that the B6 content could be problematic for some people. Could I ask if you still take B12 ? 🌞

[Hidden in reply to Cariad-y-Mor]

I can only tolerate low occasional doses of B12 in Cyanocobalamin form. So I occasionally (maybe once a week on average) take a 2000 cyano tablet. The one most people seem to suggest (methylcobalamin) agrees with me even less. I tend to jump to the conclusion that if I can't tolerate it, I don't need it. Not necessarily true of course, but this stuff is all so hit and miss as the medics are generally not much help to us (understatement!) when it comes to thyroid related problems.

[Cariad-y-Mor in reply to Hidden]

Thanks for the information Hidden . As a matter of interest what symptoms did you have when taking the methyl B12 ?

[Hidden in reply to Cariad-y-Mor]

Oh gosh, now you're asking me I can't recall the specifics. It's a long time since I took methyl. What I can say is that it's histamine related. I am very histamine intolerant since being hypoT (regardless of which type of thyroid med I'm on). allergyuk.org/common-food-i...

[Cariad-y-Mor in reply to Hidden]

No worries

@Gingerbread.

As far as I know I am not allergic as such to anything. My daughter , who is also hypo is allergic to many antibiotics.

🌞🌞

[Hidden in reply to Cariad-y-Mor]

I wasn't knowingly allergic or intolerant to anything much for most of my life. Things only went (rapidly) downhill after my thyroid finally went bonkers. I assumed once I had my thyroid hormone dose right, everything would go back to normal, but sadly that has never happened.

[Cariad-y-Mor in reply to Hidden]

Oh gosh! Poor you. You definately didn't need that on top of all the other thyroid probs. But thanks for sharing your information...

Forewarned is forearmed etc etc 🌞🌞🌞🌞

[Hidden in reply to Cariad-y-Mor]

Oh and here's a question... do people with diagnosed PA or B12 deficiency who are on injections also take B complex supplements to balance out the B12? I don't recall ever seeing mention of them doing so, but that's possibly just my ignorance

[Cariad-y-Mor in reply to Hidden]

Just missed this Hidden - now there's a point.....afraid I don't know the answer to that though......I am just a learner! 🌞🌞

[Josiesmum]

I like this one:

uk.iherb.com/Thorne-Researc...

[leabrook]

I take Jarrow B-Right.

[Gambit62]

sustained high dose use of B6 has been linked to neurological problems. These usually reverse after the supplementation stops but there have been some reported cases where it was permanent.

Patients with a B12 absorption problem frequently also supplement - most commonly with folate (B9) as this is used in conjunction with B12 for a number of key processes. Individuals do find that other minerals and vitamins seem to be thrown out of balance but that varies from individual.

1000mcg of cyano is actually a high dose - and unnecessary unless you have an absorbtion problem (PA is one possible absorption problem) - it is about 400 x the RDA for B12. Generally it isn't going to be a problem but high levels of B12 serum can cause a functional B12 deficiency - not enough getting through to the cells where it is needed - in some people so I definitely wouldn't recommend the general use of high dose B12 in the absense of a demonstrable absorption problem - which needs to be done by an evaluation of symptoms not just figures from serum B12 test (which is known to be a poor guide to what is actually happening at the cell level)

b12researchgroup.wordpress....

(pinned post on the PAS forum)

Different people respond very differently to different forms of B12 - it isn't clear why as the biochemistry and genetics are extremely complex and not well understood - though both a lot better understood now than in the past. One specific genetic variant - COMT (homozygous) - means that methylated forms of vitamins can interfere with the balance in processes for recycling neurotransmitters which may be one possible explanation of adverse reactions to methyl but there are probably many other factors that haven't yet been identified.

[Marymary7]

My brother had his first SI Methyl b12 yesterday and didn't sleep a wink all night. He has M.S , he had a soluble b complex and vit D too. I don't think he wants any more injections he said, 'it will kill me'. He is so poorly I'm trying to help him.