Why are vit d folic acid etc

[fairyeyes]

sometimes low in hypo people?

[humanbean]

One reason is that hypothyroid people have low stomach acid so absorption of nutrients is poor.

[fairyeyes in reply to humanbean]

For me personally that is so very interesting,has there been any studies or statistics done on women who have had children and the effects on them?Particularly with folic acid levels?

[humanbean in reply to fairyeyes]

I don't know if there are specific studies on women and/or their offspring. But folic acid supplementation has been recommended for women planning a pregnancy or going through a pregnancy for years, irrespective of their thyroid status.

One thing to note - folic acid is synthetic and wouldn't be found in nature. It would be more helpful for women who are hypothyroid to use some form of folate rather than folic acid, because it is already in the form that people can metabolise.

chriskresser.com/folate-vs-...

Hope the link helps.

[Hidden in reply to fairyeyes]

Yes. For example, low levels of B vitamins and of iron during pregnancy have been linked in some studies to an increased incidence of autism. The picture on D deficiency in pregnancy was more complicated when I last looked, but obviously there is an effect on bones and probably on teeth too.

[Hidden in reply to humanbean]

You can increase stomach acid by taking B6, B12 and Folate, these Nutrients are essential for increasing stomach acid.

[Hidden]

Hello fairyeyes,

A healthy gut is vital for good food digestion and nutrient absorbtion.

Just as hypothyroidism can make our hair & skin dry, it can also lower levels of stomach acid (gastric acid) which is made using hydrochloric acid via the parietal cells that line your stomach.

It digests foods, particularly proteins so nutrients (iron, Vit B12, Vit D, etc...) can be absorbed. It also keeps gut bacteria balanced, so avoiding gut dysbyosis.

Low acid levels encourage gut inflammation, gas, heartburn, bloating, and heaviness in the stomach after eating a protein meal.

Lemon juice and apple cider vinegar will help produce more stomach acid or supplement with Betaine Plus. Digestive enzymes will also help stimulate your body's own acid production, bilary support will replace low bile levels necessary to digest lipids and probiotics will balance gut bacteria.

Flower

drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/hypochl...

[Adam10 in reply to Hidden]

Is it ok to try the use of Betaine Plus? What would be the successful effect or downside of its use? Interested to hear your views as I continue my search for the solution.

[Hidden in reply to Adam10]

Adam,

If you think you need it ... Try it ! !

You won't know until you try.

The worst that will happen is it will feel "hot" in your tummy and in that case you will know that you already have enough stomach acid and don't need to add more.

Bicarbonate of Soda in water will counteract any " hot" feelings in your tummy.

However, as a further complication ....... I didn't have any stomach acid but found it really difficult to tolerate Betaine for several days..

Perseverance has paid off as now I love Betaine ... Lol. ..... And my gut issues are so much better.

I recommend you take one with protein meals and see how you get on. The theory is .... As gut health improves, normal secretion of gastric acid should start again allowing Betaine to eventually be discontinued.

Good luck

Flower.

[Adam10 in reply to Hidden]

Thanks Flower007, will definitely try Betsine Plus

[Salstar in reply to Hidden]

Hello Flower007, Very interesting reading from you. I am on this site due to APS that I have no understanding of at all, neither my Doctors.

I had hyperparathyroidism and hypercalciamia. Eventually a dudeonal ulcer that perforated.

I was put on Lanzoporole and was informed by an alternative therapist that the bloating in my face/body even though I was on a good diet, the drug was a PPH??? May have that incorrect, however, this medication prevents absorption of goodness from food. I came off it and the bloating, especially in my arms did go down.

Am I wrong not taking this med?

The perforated ulcer was first, calciaric kidney stones, then h.calciamia and , h.parathyroidism followed by APS whereby consultant put me on folic acid as system totally depleted.

Lots of different things diagnosed different times. However on anticoagulants and not good due to history but worried as not been on Lanzoparole for while now??

Thank you

[Dramlouie in reply to Salstar]

Regarding your anticoagulants, I was on aspirin and Clopidogrel after a heart attack probably due to hypothyroid. I had all sorts of pain and discomfort, a tight feeling across ribs etc. After a pharmacist told me that he had the same after being on aspirin I realised that was the problem and I have changed onto Nattokinase and Serrapeptase, I take omega 3's, krill oil and I sleep on a grounding mat every night. I also take resveratrol, CoQ10, D-Ribose and Acetyl L-Carnitine, and magnesium citrate alongside all the normal hypothyroid vits and mins. I also try and walk twice a day. I feel so much better without the awful bruising, I looked awful and I am sure it was the start of problems with absorption and iron levels. It costs a small fortune but I have peace of mind. I did a lot of research and Dr Sinatra has a good website with lots of information and ebooks. Hope you feel better soon.

[Salstar in reply to Dramlouie]

Hi Dramlouie many thanks for all your information. I had one of my parathyroids removed which made s huge difference. I will look up all other supplements you take and I'm already doing the twice daily walk :+) because I look after a dog for someone. Thank you again and glad you feel better. X

[Dramlouie in reply to Salstar]

Also started taking Taurine which just makes my heart feel more stable. I also find eating 3 bananas a day, morning evening and if I wake during the night I stuff a small banana and sleep right through. Maybe the potassium. Plus I took vitamin E, 2x400mg morning and evening and I have noticed the last 2 nights I had remembered my dreams which I never do and I slept really deeply and felt refreshed in the morning. Its the only thing I have done differently, will try again tonight. My Mum who is 91 was on the anticoagulants and is also on my regime and doing well, no more black and blue for her, I am sure it must make you anaemic. Good luck. x

[Salstar in reply to Dramlouie]

I will try bananas and also buy some vit E. Thank you for sharing with me. Kindest regards Sally

[Hidden in reply to Salstar]

Hi a PPh is a proton pump

inhibitor, that can cause Bloating abdominaly.

If you have poor digestion it's a good idea to increase the factors that help increase your stomach acid. B12, B6 and Folate are some of those factors.

Not everyone can tolerate Betaine HCL, if that's the case, then Increase the factors. Probiotics can also help, ensure they have high levels of Acidophilus, Bifidum and L plantarum.

Symprove a liquid probiotic is very good.

[Hidden in reply to Salstar]

Hello Salstar,

Sorry to hear about all your health issues. Is APS antiphospholipid syndrome..? ?.. the medical profession are rubbish at understanding any autoimmune disease but if its similar Hashimotos... then your aim is reduce antibodies & inflammation.

Supplementing deficiencies.. gluten free diet .. addressing gut issues.

Lanzoporole is a PPI that sounds prescribed for your perforated ulcer.

It is important to take prescribed medication Salstar. I am not medically trained and so can not comment on your questions .... and certainly WOULD NOT advise Betaine Plus with a stomach ulcer.

I have no experience of hyperparathyroidism or hypercalciamia as have Hashimotos myself.

Sorry not to be of more help. If you post any recent test results complete with ranges (numbers in brackets), members will comment.

Flower

[Salstar in reply to Hidden]

Thank you for your reply. You got it correct APS definition. When I get next blood results I will post.

Have s nice weekend x

[baba in reply to Salstar]

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[Shaz in reply to Hidden]

Hi Flower

Could you please tell me whether these supplement regimes would also help with high acid levels.

My GP wont refer me for acid tests until Ive taken PPIs which have not helped me or my daughter or mum in the past and they have in fact sometimes worsened the problem. Also could you please tell me whether there are any ways to determine the type of acid problem ie low or high levels?

Thank you.

Shaz

[Hidden in reply to Shaz]

Hello shaz,

Low stomach acid is often mistaken for high stomach acid by doctors. If this is the case then PPI's will worsen systems.

I knew I had low stomach acid as could never digest lot of meat and had so many gut issues. I never did a test ... just tried taking Betaine Plus with food. ... but link for test below.

Your previous posts advise you have thyroid antibodies but I can't found any test results. Many members do private thyroid hormone blood tests when their doctor is uncooperative. Again link below.

Flower

Tests for low stomach acid

scdlifestyle.com/2012/03/3-...

Low Stomach Acid Explanation

hashimotoshealing.com/stoma...

Private testing details

thyroiduk.org.uk/tuk/testin...

[Shaz in reply to Hidden]

Thanks Flower

My GP wont give me an antibody tests as my TSH is apparently okay and I'm now euthyroid, so is my mother - she is on Thyroxine though, but we both still mildly suffer some of the thyroid related symptoms.

I've actually given up trying with the NHS and plan to go private at some stage, beginning with the blood tests. Its too hard emtionally, physically and time-wise!

Do you know whether Betain plus can be taken if you are on meds for hypertension?

Thanks

Shaz

[Hidden in reply to Shaz]

I don't know Shaz but would assume it is ok as Betaine is just hydrochloric Acid replacing that what should be made in the stomach anyway.

I would think it would increase absorption of your other meds but have no evidence to back the up..

Please note this is just my opinion.

Flower

[Shaz in reply to Hidden]

Of course, many many thanks. I will research also.

Thanks again,

S

[ColinK]

Just a quickie on the apple cider vinegar, you need to make sure its Organic Cyder Vinegar and not the Classic Cyder Vinegar (Aspall do both types and are on sale in most supermarkets) This needs to be watered down 2-1 with water as its too strong to take in its supermarket form.

I used to be on Lansoprazole and wanted a natural remedy, saw loads of forums talking about this so I gave it a go. Couple of swigs a day works a treat, though it is somewhat of an acquired taste.

[Hidden in reply to ColinK]

The cider vinegar must also

Have the mother, which means it's unpasteurised, and it has the sediment content.

The sediment contains all the nutrients you need.

[Salstar in reply to ColinK]

Hello I've read your write up and will try cider vinegar organic. I am sure some of the drugs cause other problems.

Many thanks great site to help each other. X

[ColinK in reply to Salstar]

It is very sharp, you might need to water down to 3-1, but it does work.

[Salstar in reply to ColinK]

Many thanks I appreciate it. C

[Shaz]

Hi guys

Could someone please let me know whether stomach acid can still be a problem if your thyroid disease is being controlled - such as my mum whose been on thyroxine for 30 odd years and has suffered from acid problems for the last 3 to 4 years, and myself who I has occasional bouts if graves (so im told) and also suffer from acid problems.

[Eddie83]

Leaky gut, gut dysbiosis, low acid

[fairyeyes]

I know all about folic acid and have a very personal reason for just learning this,I was in trails before folic acid became know as folic acid due to having a child with very server spina bifida who was still born.Folic acid works,my second child was born but you could see where the skin had just covered the base of the spine she also had some minor health issues linked to spina bifida.although she is now 100% healthy.Some gps wrongly say its ok to take folic acid after becoming pregant,this is totally wrong as it need to be in your system/body up to 3 months before and the spine is formed within 6 weeks.

[Hidden in reply to fairyeyes]

Gosh fairy eyes .. . how very sad...

So pleased you have a wonderful healthy child now and things are improving for you all the time.

F

[fairyeyes in reply to Hidden]

Thank you,she was born 2 months early as well,went on to have another daughter who they thought had very mild spina bifida (decided to have none of the tests as i was going to have the child no matter what)but she was 100% healthy when she was born and i got to hold her there and then,would loved to have had more children but it was so hard i decided i was very blessed with 2,although i had 3.

[Hidden in reply to fairyeyes]

I have two as well. Blessed with both being healthy and strong.

F

[fairyeyes]

Very interesting that my folic acid levels are now good,makes me wonder if there was a link.My iron is very very low everythingis good,so ifeel lucky at the moment although the low iron has made me really very ill,but its getting better very slowly.Thank you all so much for the info etc,

[Chrystalheart]

You know, the vit d, folic acid, thiamine, and b12 are all part of a system that helps create and balance various hormone levels, detoxify the body of a few others, and important to the process that provides cell energy. When thyroid is messed up, it changes the metabolism of your cells. Too high causes it to run too fast which leads to depletion, too low causes it not to work efficiently or have enough energy... It runs out of gas. These include the cells that absorb and metabolize these vitamins. These vitamins are important. It is also influenced by your personal genetics. That's why it's important to check levels in the blood. Even being low can cause symptoms. Some people can have symptoms even if the levels are normal if their genes are preventing them from being used properly (not converting to a form the body can use/being a slow metabolizer so you're not converting as much as normal).

There is a lot of info out there. Check out Dr Amy yaskos website on the methylation pathway/nutrigenomics. She also recommends supplements.

Www.dramyyasko.com

Feel better.

Jen

[baba]

hughes-syndrome.org/