Antibodies

[Loubelou1621]

Hi my thyroglobulin is 244 range 0-280 and thyroid peroxidase is 34 range 0-60 any ideas anyone

[greygoose]

You Don't have Hashi's.

But, having said that, you cannot completely rule it out on one negative test. Those Tg abs are right up the top, they could go higher. Best to get them tested again, at least once, in a few months time, if you can.

[Loubelou1621 in reply to greygoose]

If I was over 280 would it be classed as hashi's as I'm only 36 of the range I'm just trying to figure out stuff I have arthritis and had left side out

[frankie759 in reply to Loubelou1621]

Hello. I was diagnosed with Hashi's in 2007. Antibodies were 900 while on levo 25mcg. I now take levo 100mcg and Cytomel 5mcg. My antibodies are sitting at 1000. Apparently....it's my multiple food and environmental allergies....inflammation...according to my endo.

[greygoose in reply to frankie759]

Allergies and inflammation Don't cause antibodies. Antibodies cause allergies and inflammation. Is your TSH suppressed?

[faith63 in reply to greygoose]

That is what they are saying..they are saying that food allergies and sensitivities , like Gluten , Dairy etc.. cause inflammation, which causes Hashimoto and other autoimmune Disease , even Cancers.

[greygoose in reply to faith63]

OK... Well, that's what they're saying today. Tomorrow it will be something else! lol

[faith63 in reply to greygoose]

Rememember how people are claiming that if Gluten is the trigger and you remove it, your antibodies can go back to normal? It is this Isabella Wentz and Dr. Kh..something who push this all the time. But, i see where Frankie is saying, that the doctor is saying her thyroid antibodies stay high due to food issues..i never heard an Endo follow this line of thinking.

[greygoose in reply to faith63]

No, they Don't usually go in for thinking at all. Yes, Wentz and Kharazan are always going on about gluten ad nausium. But what gets me is that they claim that all Hashi's is caused by gluten. And I know mine wasn't. But, whatever, it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation : which came first, the antibodies or the inflammation...

[faith63 in reply to greygoose]

Kharazan, really pushes Gluten, Wentz, not as much. I have had allergies to everything that grows and dust mites too..hopeless, in my opinion. Allergy shots and meds all through my teens and again in my 20's. Endometriosis in my 20's, always in pain or ill, my whole life. But this is the worse. I know i have inflammation in my brain. I had a scan that shows low blood flow to certain areas too, but what do i do about it? These headaches and dizziness with nausea, have totally disabled, me and now are subsiding and i am left very tired and foggy headed. If my head felt clear, i could function more normally. I am at a loss.

[greygoose in reply to faith63]

I take it you are gluten-free? Has that not helped at all?

I'm rather sceptical about allergy testing. I had it done in London when I was 23 (a lovely American doctor who gave my 6 month old son a chocolate biscuit! You can imagine what fun that was, going home on the tube! lol), and I was told I was allergic to 'everything'! Though quite what they tested for, they didn't say. So, I was just given anti-histimines - which made me ill - and sent on my way!

30+ years later, I was tested again in France. And I was told I had asthma, which no-one had ever mentioned before - except for one doctor who told me very scornfully that I couldn't possibly have it. And, according to them, I was allergic to house dust, wool, and feathers... What happened to 'everything' else??? Did they just get bored and go home?

Anyway, I was told to get rid of all the wool and feathers in my house - didn't have much wool, anyway, hate the stuff - and given desensitising shots for a couple of years for the house dust. And it worked! Since then, I've been able to be around feathers, too (but no wool!).

So, my question is, was I ever really allergic to anything at all? I Don't think I was allergic to anything as a kid, because no vacuum cleaners, so lots of dust, all bedding was feathers, and a lot of clothing was wool. But it didn't affect me as a child. Yet, I'm convinced my Hashi's started when I was a child. So... I dunno!

[faith63 in reply to frankie759]

Frankie..are you cutting those foods out of your diet, getting Allergy shots or?

[greygoose in reply to Loubelou1621]

Yes, if either of those anitbodies were over-range it would be Hashi's. But it has nothing to do with your age. I'm afraid I Don't really understand what your question is.

[Loubelou1621 in reply to greygoose]

My thyroglobulin is 244 the range is 280 I am 36 of being over 280 that's not my age if I go over that range am I classed as hashi's that's all I'm asking it's quiet annoying I'm trying to figure out why I feel like shit

[greygoose in reply to Loubelou1621]

OK, I see. Yes, you're right. As I said, you're right at the top of the range, and it could be higher if you test again in a few months time. You're quite possibly Hashi's now, and it just isn't showing yet - although you'd never get a doctor to admit to that!

[Loubelou1621 in reply to greygoose]

Thanks Hun just what I thought I'll push it more now I have ammo lol thanks again 😊

[greygoose in reply to Loubelou1621]

Good idea, but did you have the normal thyroid tests done? TSH, FT4, FT3? If they're in range it's doubtful you'll get a doctor to take it seriously, I'm afraid.

[Loubelou1621 in reply to greygoose]

Had left side out in August so liverpool hosp endo tested me for all kinds except vit d,b 12 I'll ask for that. I'm in range on the thyroid tests , all my levels yo yo in from one side to another if this Doctor of mine don't do as he's told i'll ask to see the liverpool endo again ........looking back in my life I've had a problem like this since a child well no more Mrs nice girl

[greygoose in reply to Loubelou1621]

Just 'in range' isn't good enough. The results have to be in the right place in the ranges : TSH 1 and lower; FT4 top third of range; FT3 most people find they need their FT3 to be right at the top of the range to feel well.

If your results yo-yo, that would probably be due to Hashi's.

[Loubelou1621 in reply to greygoose]

I thought that so I think I'll go down that route as well

[greygoose in reply to Loubelou1621]

[faith63 in reply to Loubelou1621]

I would start food sensitivity testing, food allergy testing, all kinds of things, to maybe stop this.

[lucylocks in reply to greygoose]

Hi Greygoose.

I have read on another forum that some members think if you have antibodies even in range then you are still classed as having them, as one should not have any as a rule.

I have always been puzzled by this as mine were 58 range 0 -75 and told I do not have the autoimmune type of hypo. looking at the other forums theory I then would have hashis.

[faith63 in reply to lucylocks]

browny..i just don't buy it and yes, it is normal to have some anti bodies. Some people with anti bodies in the thousands, have not had them attack the gland yet and feel well. Some people with really weakened immune systems, end up with no antibodies, but do have Hashis. The definitive test is Thyroid Biopsy tho.

[lucylocks in reply to faith63]

Hi faith63

The first year I was diagnosed and put on 50mcg. levo. ( and kept on that for 18 months) I had periodic episodes of diarrhea which lasted a couple of days and felt really depressed and ill when this happened. I wondered if I actually had hashi's and when these episode happened thought I could have swung to been HYPER.

[faith63 in reply to lucylocks]

Why are you hypothyroid? Hashis, for some has symptoms of hyper and hypo..terrible swings. No doctor recognized my symptoms and put me on psych. meds. It has been a nightmare.

[lucylocks in reply to faith63]

Sorry you have such a bad time.

You mentioned weakend immune system,

well I think mine is very weak as I catch every virus and bug going, maybe I have had hashis all along.

[Loubelou1621 in reply to lucylocks]

I feel like banging my head against a wall it's so annoying i feel both sides hyper and hypo my left side was removed and before that my levels went like a yo yo but always in range

[lucylocks in reply to Loubelou1621]

Hi Loubelou

I have only had my antibodies tested once, I did ask the Doctor if I could have them rechecked and she said "oh we only test them once" and that was that.

[Loubelou1621 in reply to lucylocks]

It's like we're not allowed to be better why do we have to keep fighting them

[faith63 in reply to Loubelou1621]

You have to take your health into your own hands. Research and get your own labs done, find out your treatment options. I had to and still have to. Doctors won't help with this. It has been very frightening.

[faith63 in reply to lucylocks]

Something is wrong for sure. If your thyroid isn't treated properly, that too, will cause you to catch everything, heal more slowly. Most people have never had a complete Thyroid Panel either..including Free t4, free t3 and reverse t3.

[greygoose in reply to lucylocks]

Browny, the thing about antibodies is that they vary. So it could have been that the day you had your blood taken, they weren't very active for some reason. On another day they might have been higher, and on another day they might have been lower. Which is why I always say you can't rule out Hashi's on the basis of one negative test. It should be Done more than once.

But for doctors, the ranges rule supreme! With a range of 0 - 75, if you're 74 you're negative. If you're 76, you're positive. How logical is that??? But Don't expect logic from a doctor! The ranges are the ranges for them, no deviation allowed. Whereas, in actual fact, they are just guidelines. How could they be anything else?

[lucylocks in reply to greygoose]

Thanks for your reply,

I thought I may have Hashis with having the bad swings in the first year I was diagnosed, but when I asked for the test again, reply was "we only do it once"

[greygoose in reply to lucylocks]

I know. They're sooooooo ignorant. But from what I've read on here, you were probably Lucky to get it done once!

[Loubelou1621 in reply to greygoose]

Greygoose is it a government thing then they way the doctors treat thyroid

[greygoose in reply to Loubelou1621]

Basically, it's a Big Pharma thing. BP controls what doctors learn in med school, because they put up the money! And it is not in their interest that doctors make thyroid people well, because they would lose millions of £s. They make a lot of money out of manufacturing 'pills for all ills' : weight loss pills, statins, bloood pressure pills, etc etc etc, to treat our symptoms. If we were adequately treated, we wouldn't need all those things.

They also buy off members of orginasations such as... well, I'm not going to cite names, but those that fix the 'guidelines'. And they influence doctors with free lunches and golfing holidays to only prescribe their products. NDT is not one of their products, synthetic T4 is.

As for synthetic T3, well, that might actually make us well, so they Don't want us taking that! Therefore they've put up the price to an astronomical amount, to make sure that doctors rarely prescibe it. They can't afford to.

BP is sneaky and evil, and - eventually - they are going to destroy the planet...

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Loubelou1621

Although your results don't give you a direct diagnosis of Hashimotos you probably realise that a high anti bodies count can be cause for concern, regarding a possible risk of IBS, acid reflux, diarrhoea, leaky gut, etc.

If you are generally unwell, I would recommend having your vitamin levels tested and then supplement any deficiencies, and try a gluten free diet.

Many Hashi suffered have found this, together with a healthy life style to be beneficial in reducing a high anti body count.

Hope you feel better soon.

flower007

[Loubelou1621]

I wake up in the middle of the night from acid reflux I'm also struggling with arthritis