What's the best Magnesium supplement to take?

Over the last few months I've been reintroducing minerals and vitamins. Started with D3 which was new to me then Folic Acid as again tests showed low. At intervals then reintroduced B12, selenium and zinc. The change was incredible, more energy and less joint pain etc. Only one to go now-magnesium as sleep does not come easily. Started with magnesium oxide last Tuesday but felt 'dull' the following day , same Thursday. Friday, with my new found energy and after a good nights sleep I felt ok again so assumed the body had got used to the Mg so got on a bus to go shopping. Everything fine and when I returned I walked easily up the hill to home and didn't feel I was dragging my body or breathless so felt elated. Into the evening though I started with abdominal pain and ultimately diarrhoea. No rise in temperature so looks like the magnesium. Searched on Mediguard for alternative types and all had the same side effect. As anyone got any suggestions as to which might be less harsh on the gut or whether to take it with food or before or after? Many thanks

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  • Hi With the Vit D ( hormonal) vital to keep a check on corrected calcium as an electrolyte. Also are sodium, Potassium ( U`s and E`s kidney) and if taking Magnesium, these and the magnesium, separate test. All must always be in range and not too high. Risks are renal failure, coma even death, the worst type cardiac arrest too. This is the case any age and any one, however, Fit and well. They cause an electrical disturbance in the heart, even babies and often sudden death.

    I will get lots of nasty posts now, but feel I must put this point.

    I have to have lots of Potassium and magnesium which is very dangerous, script and have several blood tests a week, all GP will allow ( costs) in hospital I have these checked 3 times a day. Magnesium in particular puts up the Potassium.This is to watch my levels, which I have to do myself and adjust the tablets.

    In food no problem at all, very safe.

    I have magnesium oxide on a script, used mostly in renal transplants ( 3 consultants), so I have to be very careful. Without it my Magnesium well bellow range, with it, well in its tiny range, so it does work as my weekly tests show me.Although no blood test is perfect, it is the only way. to monitor it.

    I hope this is a help, although I know not exactly what you are asking.

    Best wishes,

    Jackie

  • Thanks Jackie. Have other things tested and optimum or awaiting tests when been on a bit longer. I feel magnesium is the last piece of the jigsaw. I read somewhere that the oxide is the most in tolerated one but I'd already bought so gave it ago but it's not working for me! So open to suggestions on what might be better tolerated

  • Hi It does take a while to work, but my top Nephrologist , who is transplants and very good, says that it is the only one absorbed. However, please do have the blood tests first. problem is breathlessness etc can be so many things, usually the first sign of heart disease, but would not suggest that at this time.It is most commonly anaemia You could also try greatly upping your intake of magnesium in food , very safe, put it into the WEB for foods.

    Best wishes,

    Jackie

  • Just re-read what I'd put Jackie! It should have read the least tolerated! Think I was concentrating on how to spell tolerated! No usually if I'd gone up the hill at the pace I did the other day I would be breathless-only as not very fit! It was such a joy to walk up even more easily and not notice any problems. As I've felt a lite better I've done more and I can now see I'm stronger for it.

  • Hi I am dyslexic , so know exactly what you mean! No spell check for forums either!A lot depends on how much and if needed. basically if more needed than required and is absorbed it does causes diarrhoea but not enough to be sue the absorption rte is right, that depends on the blood test, although not brilliant, it certainly shows mine.

    Jackie

  • Jackie,

    I have had a spelling checker in my browser for many years - certainly from long before HU opened. I mostly use Firefox (currently 25.0.1). However recent versions of Internet Explorer also have spelling checkers built-in. (I think that IE was the very last major browser to incorporate a spelling checker - with IE 10, if I recall correctly.)

    Safari, Opera and many other browsers also have such facilities.

    Whenever I type in HU the spelling checker is active and works well.

    Rod

  • Hi Rod, thanks for taking the trouble. I have a spell check for e mails, but for the forum with Virgin, it will only under line incorrect spellings. . I will look into it again. However, other people have told me the same thing.. I will ask my very computer literate family yet again.!

    Best wishes,

    Jackie

  • Hi Breathlessness can be iron/ferritin needs to be well in range and B12 + foliates, needs to be high in range

    Jackie

  • I don't walk up this particular hill very often but the ease I did it was noticeable. I wasn't thinking that was down to the magnesium but the other things that are already optimum or creeping up to there.

  • This is a very good article about magnesium and different types of supplements.

    articles.mercola.com/sites/...

  • Hi for those of you in the Uk or europe i have used this site to get

    Nano Ionic Magnesium - 60ml.. visit the thehealthcorner.co.uk

    I would say 95% of the Western Population is low in Magnesium

    Magnesium: A Mighty Mineral Indeed! Muscle contraction, glucose metabolism, electrical impulses of the heart, bone formation all rely on this mighty mineral to get the job done! If truth be told, the human body cannot function normally without magnesium.

    great stufff

  • For anyone following in these footsteps, it is usual to advise not supplementing with folic acid/folates unless low B12 categorically ruled out or already supplemented. The reason is that folates can mask some of the effects of B12 such as enlarged red blood cells - but do not prevent the nerve damage low B12 can cause.

    That is, start B12 before folates/folic acid!

    Rod

  • eat Heinz beans an excellent source of folic acid Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV

    Vitamin A268IU5%

    Vitamin C7.8mg13%

    Vitamin D~ ~

    Vitamin E (Alpha Tocopherol)0.4mg2%

    Vitamin K2.0mcg3%

    Thiamin0.4mg25%

    Riboflavin0.2mg9%

    Niacin1.1mg5%

    Vitamin B60.3mg16%

    Folate60.7mcg15%

    Vitamin B120.0mcg0%

    Pantothenic Acid~ ~

    Choline77.9mg

    Betaine~

    Minerals

    Amounts Per Selected Serving%DV

    Calcium126mg13%

    Iron0.7mg4%

    Magnesium81.0mg20%

    Phosphorus263mg26%

    Potassium749mg21%

    Sodium2.5mg0%

    Zinc3.5mg24%

    Copper0.5mg26%

    Manganese~ ~

    Selenium11.4mcg16%

    Fluoride~

    Read More nutritiondata.self.com/fact...

  • Is there anything special about Heinz (rather than Aldi, Lidl, Branston or any others)?

    A Which report back in 2010 said:

    ● Baked beans are low in fat.

    ● They are also a good value source of protein, iron, B vitamins, folic acid, zinc, potassium and fibre.

    ● However, half a standard tin of baked beans can contain up to two teaspoons of sugar and a third of an adult’s maximum recommended daily salt intake of 6g.

    ● Beans from the big four supermarkets generally had the least sugar and salt.

    ● Sainsbury’s Basics beans have 1g salt per 210g portion compared with 2.1g for Lidl’s Campo Largo beans.

    ● Heinz and Branston baked beans contain just under a third (1.7g) of an adult’s maximum recommended daily salt intake per serving.

    So the sugar and, for some, the salt content are important negatives to baked beans. Of course, if you make your own you can adjust things to dramatically reduce both of those.

    In the early days of experimenting with liver as a treatment for pernicious anaemia they were feeding it more than once a day. Once a month might help to top up those who can absorb it "normally" but are a bit low for some reason.

    Rod

  • any beans

  • I love all that information about bake beans but also agree is the can got to much salt and sugar. So if you make your own bake beans. Could you tell me which are the best beans to eat to get all those vitamins.?

  • I have made my own baked beans. I used ordinary haricot beans - but would have been quite happy to use black-eyed beans or what the companies use, navy beans.

    This site has a lot of nutritional information (though it is a USA site):

    nutritiondata.self.com

    In reality, I buy baked beans just like everyone else but pour most of the over-sweet sauce away - leaving enough to allow them to heat through.

    Rod

  • Magnesium is the forgotten supplement but it is VERY important and usually not properly tested here in the UK. It should be tested intracellularly. The best and most pleasant way to take magnesium is in a drink of Magnesium Citrate which is better absorbed than other forms of magnesium. In our house we use "Natural Vitality Magnesium Supreme". It makes a lovely refreshing drink. This is what Dr. Nathan says about it:

    " When our bodies are deficient in it we see fatigue, depression, malaise, muscle cramps and pain, and difficulties with focus, memory and concentration........ Some of the major symptoms of magnesium deficiency are: fatigue; exhaustion; tiredness; muscle cramps; spasm; pain; muscle weakness; manual treatments like chiropractic, physio etc. do not hold more than a few hours; depression; cardiac arrhythmias; cognitive impairment; insomnia. Most doctors don't know how to measure it accurately. Magnesium is usually found inside the blood cells, not in the blood stream....... The body thinks that magnesium is so important that it will do everything in its power to keep blood levels normal. Thus you could have a perfectly normal blood test result and still have low magnesium levels inside your cells.......Our bodies have a limited capacity to absorb magnesium from the intestines.

    When that capacity is exceeded we get the one symptom that too much magnesium produces - diarrhea.

    All magnesium formulas are not created equal. Most magnesium you buy over the counter is entirely or mostly composed of magnesium oxide because it is inexpensive to manufacture......this form of magnesium is not well absorbed by the body. Only 10% of this form of magnesium is actually absorbed"

    Another way to obtain magnesium is to put Epsom Salts in the bath. Although not much is absorbed through the skin it has the added effect of drawing toxins from the body. We buy ours either from the garden centre or from a veterinary supplier.

    Jane x

  • Hi there

    I used to take Magnesium supplements . The best way to increse levels is epsom salts in a bath and soak for twenty minites

    Its absorbed through the skon andhhelps soften it too.

    Can't overdose just two handfulls in the bath. I buy mine in 10 kilo batches online . Its cheap and lasts ages.

  • Some useful info here:

    drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Magnesi...

  • Thank you do much guys and gals for your most useful advice!

  • I make 'magnesium oil' by dissolving magnesium chloride salts in a little water and I add it to my spray deodorant. Some people find it has its own deodorant/antiperspirant effect (sadly I'm not one of them!). You can rub in into your skin but I don't like the way it feels so this works for me. You can read up on the various kinds of salts available. Some people prefer Epsom salts.

  • Glad you are feeling so much better :)

    Vitamins and minerals are building blocks and don't have the recognition they deserve! (IMHO in favour of drugs instead). On my search to find out why these tend to be low, it all seems to point to low stomach acid (or various absorption problems), so epsom salt baths & sprays bypass this? J :D

    (Of course Magnesium is the old 'dose of salts' so a little is good, too much causes dire rear <easier to spell!)

  • I visit a nutritionist regularly and have been advised that I am low in magnesium, so she advised me to use a magnesium spray because apparently it is absorbed in to the body much quicker so therefor I spray my legs each night which has helped with restless legs.

  • To Support what Margaret says above. This is from the website at healthleadsuk.com: "When magnesium oil is applied topically it does not pass via the digestive system and is proven to be absorbed much faster than tablet or capsule supplementation. By massaging magnesium brine into the skin, magnesium is quickly absorbed. Transdermal magnesium is an effective way to supplement, as the modern diet is low in magnesium, though it is vital for health." 8 sprays of their Magnesium Oil delivers 100mg. They suggest 3-4 mg per pound of bodyweight, It is also recommended to avoid other skin creams and lotions as they can hinder uptake. Find out more at healthleadsuk.com/supplemen...

  • Best form by far is Nano Ionic..

    Hi for those of you in the Uk or europe i have used this site to get

    Nano Ionic Magnesium - 60ml.. visit the thehealthcorner.co.uk

    I would say 95% of the Western Population is low in Magnesium

    Magnesium: A Mighty Mineral Indeed! Muscle contraction, glucose metabolism, electrical impulses of the heart, bone formation all rely on this mighty mineral to get the job done! If truth be told, the human body cannot function normally without magnesium.

    great stufff

  • Hi according to Dr. Mercola the best form of Magnesium is Liquid Nano Ionic form...

    For those of you in the UK or Europe i have used this site to get Nano Ionic Magnesium - 60ml..

    visit the thehealthcorner.co.uk/index...

    I would say 95% of the Western Population is low in Magnesium

    Magnesium: A Mighty Mineral Indeed! Muscle contraction, glucose metabolism, electrical impulses of the heart, bone formation all rely on this mighty mineral to get the job done! If truth be told, the human body cannot function normally without magnesium.

    great stufff

  • Yes I read Dr Mercola on magnesium and his recommendation is available on amazon made by him. Definitely worth a read.

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