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Help raised Armour dose was doing well now have insomnia!(sorry for long post)

I was on 1 3/4 grains of Armour and I think i have been left too long on my Armour doses. I started at 1.5 for 2 months then 1 3/4 for 2 months. I had my bloods done and am still waiting on the FT3 result, but i raised my dose anyway because of symptoms. I felt great and back to my old self, barely any vertigo, clear thinking, me really. But over the past week Ive had insomnia for 3 nights (not in a row thankfully). Two of those nights were solved by some valerian root tea but last night i had two cups and i still took ages to fall asleep. Three days ago i dropped the Armour to 1 3/4grains and old symptoms came back, mainly vertigo. So i put the dose back up and had awful insomnia last night.

Could this indicate an adrenal problem or am I just adjusting? I had a adrenal stress profile done in december and i looked at that again and realised that my morning ranges were low but also at the time i was gettin up late at 11am so im not sure how it correlates.

8am- 11.3 (12-22)

12 midday 12.7 (5-9)

4pm- 4.6 (3-7)

12 midnight- 1.8 (1-3)

my am DHEA was 0.68 (in range) and afternoon was 0.37(out of range). my DHEA mean was 0.53 (0.40-1.47)

DHEA; Cortisol ratio 1.73 (2-6)

Im thinking i need adrenal support but i dont think i will get it from my GP so i want to do it with vits/ herbs/ otc adrenal support. What do you think? i dont think its so severe to warrant HC at the moment but i could be wrong. These are readings from december and i do need another one done.

any advice greatly welcomed! I know im so close to getting better and im now tweaking but im going crazy with this xx

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Well you certainly don't need HC, thats for sure! Thats onyl for servere cases!

Have you not tried NAX or NA? high dose Vit C? Vit A ( mixed) and of course, the most important thing, diet!?



Hello sorry for the late reply sporty. I didnt sleep last night either. Not til 5 and had 6 hours sleep. Had half hour this afternoon but it was weird. So you think i could support my adrenals with vit c? any you recommend? I read an article that it should have bioflavinoids with with it. I dont know what NAX or NA are. Im on a gluten free diet have been for a while and eat lots of veg ( though could do with upping the meat) What do you recommend?And how do you know my adrenals arent too bad? I have STTM book and tried to compare mine with the egs and thought oh im not too bad. Is there another site/book that can help explain it? I dont even know the importance of DHEA! I was taking 15mg DHEA a day and stopped that a couple of weeks ago (long story)

Still no FT3 result. The nurse is chasing it up again for me. Should i be worried? does insomnia equal hyper? My last FT3 at 1 and 3/4 grains was 5.1. Im thinking though that the t4 has kicked in as the symptoms are similar to how i felt when under dosed on levo. Sorry for going on. Im a bit freaked because on one hand dizzies are better but on the other i cant sleep :(

hope you are well xxxx


Bioflavonoids keep vitamin c circulating so it stays longer before being exuded so I've read. NA and NAX represent nutri-adrenal and nutri-adrenal plus other herbs. I think Dr. Peat recommends these but I've bought glandular with similar additives myself. If you have the STTM book, the excerpt I posted below is probably in your book. It does give a page number of the book.

DHEA gave me a big headache and I should have started with a tinier dose but some people do well with it.


I would suggest the CT3M for adrenals - no extra tablets - just taking the ones you have at the optimum time.

What doses are you taking and when - it may just be that you are taking a dose too late in the day? Great that the vertigo is better - now you can at least be sure that it was down to your thyroid (as mine was). Xx


The other thing is Paul suggests things to lower nighttime cortisol which may help you sleep - sorry cant remember what he recommends at the moment but will try and find out. Xx


Hey Clare. Hows it going? Ive been trying CT3M since i upped my dose maybe this is the problem? too much? I was taking 1/4 an hour before waking (9am) then 1/2 at 12 then 1/2 at 3 then 1/2 at 6 and a 1/4 at 8pm. But not perfectly must admit often an hour later than i should have. The last dose i took today was at 4.30. dizzies are returning but hoping i can sleep.

When i was on 1 3/4 grains my last dose was often at nine and i would sleep well, better than ever for a long time. really tired now and cant remember what i wanted to say. I am so pleased about the dizzies but i feel like rubbish too. Still no FT3 result and getting worried that im going into hyper. however my pulse was 68 this morning and i checked this afternoon and it was 76. BP 140 over 77, but i think i did the cuff a bit wrong. Will try again tomorrow. Still nothing to seriously worry about. Any ideas? xxx


Did you receive my reply? Bloody site!


I got the first one. did you write another?


Yeah I pm'ed you but clearly it didn't send!!

I was just saying, why not do the on line test on Dr Wilsons website to see how good or bad your adrenals are.

The reason I thought you didn't need HC was your test results. They don't look so bad. Bit like mine really and dr P didn't think I should go need HC! "They're not that bad" he said. Best to avoid that stuff, it seems...



This is a great article about adrenal treatments which I agree might be your problem.


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