Ok, so I've only just found this site and hoping I can find good information and help. I have suffered with constant bloating & gas for a number of years now and it seems to of only got worse. It's not just when I eat, I can have a warm shower and become bloated, or after I go for a run. I'm quite a slim guy apart from my belly which is always round and solid with gas. It's really embaressing and I'm struggling to deal with it. Before I cut our meat & dairy i used to get blinding shooting pains and was also constipated all the time. Since I went Vegan this has stopped but the bloating, gas and now added tiredness has only got worse. Any tips or advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Firstly, if you are vegan, I think it is going to be difficult, but here goes. Remove all pulses, baked beans, peanuts and the usual suspects from your diet, then remove all fizzy pop drinks and also reduce alcohol to very little. When you eat, eat small mouthfuls and chew very well, so that you don't swallow air with your food. Finally get yourself checked regularly by your GP or GI team.
Hi, thanks for taking the time to reply. Haven't drunk fizzy drinks for years now, I also drink very little in the way of alcohol Infact the few times I do have a drink it actually seems to help me have a proper clear out. As for the things you've said to remove from my diet, it would literally leave me with nothing to eat. It was red meat and dairy especially that was giving me terrible constipation and blinding stomach cramps. My only frustration now is the constant bloatedness and fatigue. As for the food, I have been trying to do as you say for quite some time now, can't say it's really helped. peppermint oil caps and delfatine seems to be the only things that give any releif.
Hi,
I'm sorry, but the only other thing I can think of is do you suffer with burping, because that is another form of excess wind and a ppi, like Omeprazole is really good for that and heartburn (excess acid reflux). I really can't think of anything else to help, but will try to keep thinking about it for a while. Good luck.
If you constantly feel tired, and you are a vegan, you may be missing vitamins and minerals, like B12 and so on. I would be tempted to contact the GP and have a blood test. Just an idea.
That's a fair point to make however I have been Vegan for almost 2 years now and the tiredness has only started i the last few weeks. But you make a fair point in general. I take a B12 supplement and take care to monitor my health and daily requirements with the Chronometer app. I had my blood's checked last year also with my doctor and also had a full medical for my work 2 months ago so it's another area of concern i can rule out.
Hi, I have the same problem. I’ve had the problem for many years and up until recently found that Aloe Vera really helped. Took a week or two but did settle it down. I also found colofac or busopan helped too. I was told by my gp that the reason for the bloating and gas was the bowel/colon spasming. Unfortunately I think Ffreedman is bang on with the things in your diet. With ibs it seems the things that are healthy can make us feel worse! My friend is struggling with coeliac disease and is vegan too but has tried the FODMAP diet helpful, if a bit restrictive. She has at least being able to identify the worst triggers.
Simple blood test just to rule it out.
Also , have you tried Mebeverine for the bloating? That does help and also with any cramping and you can get that over the counter.
Buscupan works very much better for me than maberverine, which had no effect. Buscopan helps for pain caused by trapped gas and eating things that turn out not to be so digestible for you. It relieves, quite a lot though not completely, the spasms which cause the pain. It doesn’t end the problem - but my IBS has improved quite a bit since my doc gave me Buscopan. I only take it when I have pain or discomfort. Imodium is very effective for diareah - if you are desperate. But I try to avoid both imodium and laxatives if at all possible, because they seem to increase the “swings” between constipation and diareah. For IBS with constipation and no diareah, then lactulose is a gentle laxative which can help.
I’m 22 and slim and really struggle with this everyday also. I’ve tried literally every tablet and test and cut out everything to no effect. The only things I have found make it better is if I don’t eat till I’m full, so small meals and Not drinking too much water (I drink over 2 litres a day sometimes which makes it so much worse). Drinking anything for me seems to just trigger my bloating. Let me know if you find anything else that works
All those veggies can cause a lot of gas. I would check out the low fodmaps diet to see what veggies could be causing you to bloat.
Have you had a scope done recently? I have had very similar symptoms. If you have not seen a GI Doctor I strongly suggest you do. Your bloodwork you had done a year ago is invalid. Get blood work done as it sounds like your hemoglobin is low. You may need a iron supplement. You mentioned you jog, are you able to jog with the same intensity to did a year ago?
A scope? you mean bloods? no not from my doctor it was over a year ago. What's a GI doctor? I spoke to my doctor just 2 weeks ago and he told me to try deflatine tablets. I am currently taking Iron supplement, only been doing so for the past week and it's definitely helped. As for my jogging, I think there's been no change, I've certainly not noticed any, apart from those few weeks i was very sluggish.
GI Doctor, “gastroenterologist”, and by scope I mean a sigmoidoscope. I had a lot of the same symptoms and it’s the only true way to get to the bottom of it. You should have it done to rule out and underlying issues. It will tell you instantly weather you have Colitis or Crohn's. Myself unfortunately but at the same time thankfully had it done and they discovered Colitis and a tumour which I just had surgery on. I Believe we caught everything in time. Before that I thought I had an ulcer, lol. As for the bloodwork I am saying to get checked out cause I felt fatigued also playing squash, then just stairs and then my heart rate jumping high just to keep the oxygen supplying my muscles. Had blood tested and my hemoglobin down to less than 80. It should be 150. No trying to scare you but if you don’t have a scope you will not know what is happening in there. Better safe than sorry.
I see, I will certainly look into that, glad they caught everything in time with yourself. And no I know your not, It's better to be knowledable that ignorant in my view so thank you for sharing that info with me, I will definitely look inot it once I get home from work. (I work away fro 4 weeks at a time)
I have the same problem and I’ve been dairy free for 3 and a half weeks with no improvement. It’s a mystery but I surely look pregnant at 57. It sucks!
Hello, this is my general response to help people find a baseline. First, go to the doctors and get yourself checked for intestinal infections, and whatever other tests they want to do. Most people find they are all clear, and that IBS is a condition brought on by our modern diet, freely accessible food, sedentary lifestyles and is usually initially set off by a GI infection or other trauma to the GI tract. The gut becomes hypersensitive to certain triggers, and the official description is that a physical brain-gut dysfunction develops which causes the gut to over-reacts to very mild stimuli. This leads to inflammation, worse gut performance that seems to spiral out of control. Be aware that in this state you can get new GI infections, or other GI issues that are not connected to IBS, so you need to be vigilant for this, and if concerned then visit your doctor again.
The good news is that this situation is reversible, and you need to be positive that with the correct understanding and behaviours you can get back in control of your life.
After 27 years of suffering with IBS I have found that the long-term solution that actually works for controlling it is about FIVE key topics: your vitamins, daily fasting periods, digestive enzymes, toxic food additives, and adrenalin control.
You are effectively the manager of a “food nutrient extraction factory”, I know that sounds obvious, but I have found that IBS is not about medicines, but about changing the way you run the factory, and learning how to get the best performance out of it. I don’t recommend any medicines for long term use, as so far in my experience they only work in the short-term and eventually become less effective. Equally, I just don’t want to be dependent on medicines until one day when I have no other choice.
So after your doctor’s tests, if IBS is the diagnosis, then the first thing to sort out is your vitamins and the timing of your eating and fasting periods. An incident of food poisoning or infection can start you on a cycle that you need to make a really concerted effort to break out of. IBS causes vitamin deficiencies which are practically impossible to overcome in most people’s diets, especially because you are probably eating selectively to manage your symptoms. Your vitamin levels affect the health of your intestines, and the health of your intestines affects your vitamin absorption and your production of digestive enzymes; and it is a vicious circle that you have to break.
So, get some really good, expensive, multi-vitamins (ideally constituted for your age) and take them without fail every day before your breakfast. Get a blood test for Vitamin D and get you doctor to judge your supplement level required in IU’s to get you well healthy for Vitamin D. Do not get vitamins with high calcium and magnesium content initially as certainly in large doses these minerals can mess you up as they consume your stomach acid, and magnesium particularly can give you diarrhoea. You should get enough of these minerals from your diet. If you are on the low FODMAP diet, go for all lactose free dairy products to boost your calcium, as unfortunately the diet tends to cut out almost all of the good calcium sources.
Second, sort out your fasting periods immediately. This is normally overlooked by GP’s, but is an absolutely essential element for resolving IBS. Your small intestine should be practically sterile, and your stomach acid along with bowel cleaning contractions during fasting (called MMC) will usually do the cleaning. But, you need to fast for this to be effective, and by that I mean, ABSOLUTELY NO eating in between meals, ideally drinking only water. Imagine that you never washed your dinner plates and just kept putting food on them all the time!, they would be filthy and full of bacteria. In your guts, this results in SIBO (Small Intestine Bacterial Overgrowth), which is apparently responsible for 85% of IBS cases, but is only one of factors that you need to address. You need to give your small intestine plenty of time free of food for cleaning and maintaining the factory. The modern scenario of have cupboards full of rich foods permanently available day and night is a modern luxury outside of human evolution. Your stomach will sort itself out when you have got control of your small intestine (although if you've got gastritis you'll need to finish a course of omeprazole first), and then your large intestine will improve later as nutrients are more efficiently absorbed from your small intestine. Furthermore, you should be able to avoid future bouts of gastritis as during the fasting periods, your stomach acid is more neutral at nearly pH 4. As a basic program, eat a good breakfast at say 7am (porridge with 50% almond milk or lactose free milk) or what suits you and then a good lunch at 12 o'clock - absolutely no food in between. After lunch, no food at all for at least 5 hours, and eat well again for your evening meal because it has got to get you through the night. Ideally, no food after 7 pm, no supper or snacks, no food or milk at all until breakfast the next day. You will feel hunger in the fasting periods, but you will not starve, and this is doing you good!, You must NOT respond to the hunger - only with water or black tea. This is CRITICAL. Unless you are in a very healthy GI state, a mid-morning or afternoon snack interrupts your set meal digestion, causing acidity, SIBO, and driving premature advancement of food into your colon resulting in putrid fart gases mentioned below. Importantly, when you are feeling better, do not resort to your old ways, you are still recovering as you villi repair and become more efficient, and you need to make a life-style change to have this level of discipline in your eating and continue with it. It takes a few weeks at least, and you need to persevere with this. Failing on this will undermine all of your other good works. In a couple of weeks, you should be able to be getting off the low FODMAP diet, and begin mixing back in the higher FODMAPs. However, if you feel that this is not enough and symptoms are returning then just back off on the high FODMAPs for a while, and go for the wheat free options. Some people recommend longer fasting periods, but for me the regular program above is sufficient.
If your farts really stink like something died in your guts, then this is because partially undigested proteins are making it through to your large intestine and the amino acids lysine and arginine are being metabolized by bacteria into cadaverine and putrescine which are the compounds that give the smell to rotting flesh! – do not worry that you yourself are rotting, this is just temporary, but it shows that you really need to sort your digestion out.
The third aspect of IBS is enzyme insufficiency. In most cases, I would suggest to try some multi-component digestive enzyme supplements, and take these with meals that are high fat, or high carbohydrate load. You want them to contain amylases, proteases, lipases at least (for starches, proteins and fats respectively), but they can also contain other enzymes such as cellulose (for tough vegetables) and betaine HCl. Enzyme production can decrease as you get older, it is affected by stress/anxiety, and the health of your guts and you want to be sure that undigested food does not get to your large intestine where the bacteria will go to town on it. Two other factors which reduce enzyme efficiency are excess acidity from your stomach, and also a short contact time in your small intestine if your gut motility is too fast. These enzymes are massively complex molecules that take a lot of cellular effort to make in your pancreas and are then sacrificed in your food. Replenishment of them takes time, so avoiding snacking in between meals gives you a better chance of having a good load of them available when you really need them. Using supplementary enzymes ensures that your digestion goes to completion before the food gets to your large intestine, so avoiding inflammation and bloating. Even if you just take them once or twice a day, this can improve your nutrition levels and help you to break out of the IBS cycle. This has been a key function in my case, and provides me with stability and consistency of health.
The fourth aspect of IBS is that some food additives are quite simply toxic for you and cause direct inflammation of the colon, allergic reaction of the colon, or they are laxatives that give you diarrhoea that you didn’t realise you were eating. These are to be considered separate to the usual SIBO and mechanism that you are dealing with above:
1.) Try to seek out and eliminate “trans-fats”. These cause direct inflammation of the colon, and you will be more sensitive than most people and this confuses what is causing you trouble. Chips, hash browns, butter, doughnuts, popcorn and things cooked in cheap or old frying oil as you find in many restaurants and commercial products can give you colon pain directly through inflammation. It can take up to three or four days to recover from this inflammation, but trans-fats are bad for you in a miriad of ways (cardio-vascular and diabetes), not only by inflammation of the colon. There is evidence that as cooking oil is re-used that the trans-fats (and other compounds) increase. So, if you want fried food as a treat, do it at home with good oil at a low temperature, and use it only once. Ideally, starches should only be boiled, rather than fried.
2.) E407, or “Carrageenan” – is a food additive derived from a red seaweed, which is only present in small quantities as a thickener, but even at low levels it has been shown to be “highly inflammatory to the digestive tract” and associated with IBS, colitis and other GI diseases. There is loads of literature and objections to this substance on the internet. It is present in cheap Crème Caramels, and many other dairy and meat products. After weeks of good health, just one of these products knocks me out for 24 hours with colon bloating and pain. I have found this by trial and error several times. Food tests show that even the food grade carrageenan contains between 2 and 25% of the non-approved “degraded” carrageenan, which is colon damaging and carcinogenic. Some food agencies now prohibit this additive altogether, and it may be responsible for a lot of IBS cases. It might be found in chocolate milk, cottage cheese, cream, crème caramel, ice cream, almond milk, diary alternatives, such as vegan cheeses or non-dairy desserts, coconut milk, creamers, hemp milk, rice milk, soy milk, and particularly processed meat. It is used extensively in cheap meats and is even injected into beef joints – so always get organic or local butcher fresh good quality meat!). It may be labelled as E407 or Carrageenan, but if you’ve got IBS, consider it as highly toxic for you.
In the same category is carboxy methyl cellulose (CMC) which is more widely used in the food industry, but has similar toxicology in animal studies, giving inflammation of the colon. However, the jury is still out on CMC to its impact on humans.
I’ll also mention here mono-sodium glutamate (MSG). Clinical trials and several scientific articles connect MSG with IBS, so given the option to avoid it you should avoid it.
Also, NICE advises against the use of Aloe Vera for IBS - although I would say for the hydration of skin burns it is miraculous, so get a tube of the pure plant gel for your medicine cabinet for minor burns.
3.) E338, E339, E340, E341, E450, E451 and E452, are phosphates, diphosphates or polyphosphates as different salts. Natural phosphates are essential for life, and your body is full of organically bound phosphates, however, free ionic phosphates have several problems. Firstly, they are laxatives and will give you diarrhoea (sodium phosphate was once used to prepare patients for colonoscopies!). Secondly, they are associated with cardiovascular disease and accelerated aging. Since the 1990’s we are now exposed to twice the amount of added phosphate in foods, and this is bad. There are calls to have added phosphate labelled on products as a health warning. Particular culprits are mass produced sausages and processed ham and chicken slices (and other meats), some cheeses, and cola (both diet and normal). Always buy ham “on the bone”, which usually has no phosphate added. Personally, all phosphate additives make me ill.
4.) Aspartame and other sweeteners definitely have a negative role to play in IBS for many people. As with the other toxins above, your ability to cope with them varies on a spectrum. If you look at some of the work of K.J. Mielke, many of these additives can be allergens or “pseudoallergens” and with time you can develop a reaction to them. The best sweetener for IBS is normal table sugar (sucrose), but it will rot your teeth in tea / coffee all day unless you do extra teeth cleaning. Otherwise, it’s “Stevia” which is quite a new plant based sweetener and seems to be safe for IBS. Ideally, general advice is to cut down on tea/coffee stimulants, no more than 3 cups a day is the NICE guidance.
You must remember that there are many different causes of IBS, and one person’s solution may not be another’s - because of the allergies that you may or may not have developed, plus all other factors in play.
The fifth major topic in treating IBS, is adrenalin control. The GI tract is very sensitive to adrenalin. A friend of mine says that “adrenalin not used by your muscles goes to your guts” and there may be some truth to this. If you have a busy life, you are probably not coasting along on a bed of feathers, and you probably not aware of your almost constantly high adrenalin levels – that is until you start actively lowering them. Crucially, what does work, is hard exercise to burn up your adrenalin and stop it interfering with the nervous system of your guts – and this is a powerful effect. My advice is to do something every day, whatever you can manage in your busy life, it will all help. It will improve your gut motility, general health, bone strength, relieve tiredness, help you sleep better, improve your mental agility and help get your anxiety under control. To many people, exercise may seem like a waste of time, but it is equivalent to spending a bit of time sharpening an axe – it is not wasted time, but time very well spent in servicing your whole body and mind.
Closely related to this (and maybe actually more important is serotonin), which is a controlling hormone for your bowel, and is the target of low-dose anti-depressants used for IBS treatment that are used to raise your levels of it by inhibiting its destruction. Exercise increases your serotonin levels, but there are also two other surprising ways to do this: 1.) avoid hostility and increase your agreeableness!, 2.) bright light, i.e. get outside in the daylight as much as possible and avoid dim lighting indoors.
Other points...
Red meats generally take a long time to digest, and also contain some trans-fats, but are usually tolerable. Only have them once a day, ideally for lunch, and just a light salad to go with them, not a load of starchy food or grains, as they have long digestion times. You don’t want carbohydrates being held up in transit because of heavy meat digestion late in the day. However, if you are taking digestive enzymes you can over-rule this advice.
There is a lot of support for L-glutamine to help with repair of your small-intestinal lining; this means buying 500g of the bodybuilder powder type and having a couple of tea-spoons of this a day - one before breakfast and one just before you go to bed, and you can have this in a light cordial drink. I don’t think this is a permanent requirement, but I think can help you recover more quickly from long term issues.
I am not a fan of pro-biotics, I have never found that they actually do anything, although some people may disagree. However, I have had more success with pre-biotics, which is basically food for your large intestine good bacteria. This helps to strengthen the lining of your colon, and further improve your resilience to potential trigger foods and inflammation. Again, I would only use these periodically for a few weeks to help you back to a good state which you can then manage with the other good behaviours. Not that they do you any harm, just another thing to buy and take. The pre-biotics can give a noticeable improvement in your GI comfort and performance, but don’t depend on them alone. You cannot get away with having poorly digested food in your large intestine.
I should add that although I eat bread and milk now in moderation, I am still cautious about high FODMAP fruits and tend to avoid them. The FODMAP fruit list is complicated, but an easy way to remember it is like this: "fleshy", juicy fruits are bad, i.e. (nectarines, peaches, apricots, pears, apples, plums, dates etc), but segmented fruits (oranges, mandarins etc.) and all berries are generally OK, as you are not likely to eat lots of them. Best of all is bananas which you can eat loads of. (Microwave three of them until they are mushy and put a couple of fried eggs and cheese on them is my favourite weekend breakfast!). For efficient fructose adsorption, you need glucose to be present with it in a 1:1 ratio. No enzyme will help you with your fructose adsorption from fruits with excess fructose, but what can help is eating a banana with it. This is because bananas, figs, kiwis and pineapples have got an excess of glucose over fructose, and so you can balance fruits with excess fructose, by those with excess glucose, hence avoiding excess fructose. If you try pure glucose powder, this will not travel slowly in your guts and you’ll still be left with excess fructose later on, so it is better to use bananas for the slow release of glucose to accompany the fructose. So you can experiment with this by making a fruit salad mainly composed of bananas, and small amounts of other fruits. However, be aware, that the problem with the “fleshy” fruits (e.g. nectarines) is nothing to do with fructose ratio, but rather the polyols that they contain, which can still make you ill.
I should also mention hormone changes in women can be connected with IBS, affecting the brain-gut nervous system, but I have no personal experience in this. Similarly, hypnosis is actually recommended by NICE as the best alternative therapy, again trying to get a grip on the nervous dysfunction. I have tried this, but for me I was just very relaxed with my eyes shut for half an hour, and I didn’t have the heart to tell the woman that I wasn’t really hypnotised! However, like other therapies it concentrates on repeatedly putting lots of positive thoughts in your mind, and strategies for dealing with negativity, so I’d say it is a good complement for your psychology and anxiety, although it will not address organic issues like SIBO. But, as an example of your sub-conscious on your guts, try taking yourself off camping for a few days in a “proper” tent. The change of living environment will slow down your digestion into emergency mode as your mind tells your body to get everything it can from the food you eat in case you don’t have any in the future. Camping also removes you from your usual daily anxieties, and gets you more active.
Dealing with Flare-ups
First thing is, fix your SIBO as described above. If you still have SIBO symptoms, oregano oil capsules are very good, it is bactericidal, anti-inflammatory and can help with acute SIBO problems. It is not “gassy” as you may find with peppermint oil. Take some digestive enzymes, to ensure your digestion is complete. Fixing your SIBO has got to be your priority.
If you are on top of your SIBO, then a bowel toxin such might hit you 5 to 8 hours later as the food gets to your large intestine. The first line of attack in this case is ibuprofen which is far more effective than paracetamol for bowel pain, and I find that 200 mg alone is enough. Second, a couple of 10 mg Buscopan will stop the cramps. If you have IBS, have available in advance some linseed (seeds) and natural aniseed (Star Anise), and when you are bad make the following tea: in a saucepan, add 1 teaspoon of linseed, ½ to 1 anise star, 1 teaspoon of sugar, a squirt of lemon juice (bottled is fine), and one mug full of water. Boil to simmer, with stirring, for 3 to 5 minutes, then sieve off the hot liquid back into the mug. This is a very effective remedy that I have used countless times, and it really does help. The reason that it helps (anecdotally) is that the “gooey” linseed extract coats the intestinal lining. There may be some truth to this, as some propose that the mechanism of bowel inflammation is a chemical attack on the mucus lining of the intestine which then allows food particles be exposed to the more delicate tissues underneath, causing inflammation. The linseed goo would provide a temporary replacement to the mucus lining, preventing further inflammation. In fact, NICE recommends oats and linseed for daily consumption for IBS patients.
A few references…
“Treatment and Management of SIBO — Taking a Dietary Approach Can Control Intestinal Fermentation and Inflammation, by Aglaée Jacob, MS, RD; Today’s Dietitian; December 2012, Vol. 14 No. 12 P. 16”.
I do find peppermint oil capsules helpful in “getting rid” of gas! In the UK, the branded, over-the-counter version (Colpermin) is not cheap. But GPs (family doctors);can prescribe a generic version, which must be less expensive. You could ask pharmacist if you can buy the generic version. Secondly, if not already tried, go on the low fodmap diet - google for details - write down daily food diary, and gradually reintroduce foods to see what happens. Dieticians have booklets that help you do this. Thirdly, I think it’s important to learn mindful meditation. Best learned in a group, but exceptionally motivated people can learn from books, CDs etc. You have to be really determined to set aside daily time to practise - every single day for at least the first few months. It can be uphugely helpful. If you can’t find the motivation to do it, or set aside the time, however busy you are, that would raise questions about the role your state of mind is playing in worsening your difficult symptoms. Fourth suggestion: I have recently found fermented milk called kefir very helpful. Most UK supermarkets now sell it, alongside yoghurts etc. I suggest starting with a small amount and increasing gradually. This may help improve intestinal flora more effectively than yoghurt or probiotic pills. If you don’t like the taste, find something you can digest to dilute it with. Bear in mind drinks at room termperature or slightly warm aspre more digestible than cold drinks. But obviously kefir and yoghurt should not be made hot or put in a microwave,, as this is likely to kill off beneficial “good bacteria.” Wishing you very good luck with solving your problems!
Hi there, I'm currently taking Holland & Barret's peppermint capsules, unsure if they are doing much but my burps are certainly nice smelling, lol I tried the low fodmap diet and I found it did little if anything and the fact it was so restricting I never continued with it, but maybe I do have to loook at it again. As for the mindful meditation it's certainly something I will look into, not sure I know any groups that do that so may have to settle for books. As for the fermented milk I appreciate the advice but I don't consume dairy, I'm dead against it and since I cut it out I feel way better for it, both physically and mentally. But I do appeciate all the advice.
Hi. Try probiotics, this does help.