USA more people dying now from illegal synthetic opioids than before the opioid war !!!

[Shumbah]

They should look at the research, People are being driven to illegal drugs because they cannot go to a doctor and ask for a prescription.

The NHS in the UK is going to hand out gym memberships and meditation course, Physio instead of pain relief , antidepressants, insomnia .NHS are planning the biggest overhaul , what does that mean doctors are for.

My granddaughter in the UK was regularly denied antibiotics for multiple ear infections as a young baby, toddler and child. Now she is now nearly 9 she has had 4 surgeries and another one in 6 months on her ears. Can you imagine the trauma and excruciating pain she was in the stress on her parents knowing their child is suffering and doctors say she will grow out of it.

It’s out of control

Doctors are becoming puppets, people will turn away and continue to find illicit drugs .

People are also turning to the black market for stolen prescription drugs, if they have the money they can get it, crime rates will soar in line and GOs can stay home in there slippers or use there free gym memberships and meditate vouchers.

Sorry for the rant 😡

[ChrisColumbus]

Dont know whether you can read this story from The Guardian outside the UK?

theguardian.com/society/202...

[SueJohnson in reply to ChrisColumbus]

I could read it - I am in the US.

[TheDoDahMan]

What you say is both true and important. I despair at the length of time it is taking for our "free" societies to demand better access. The War On Drugs has caused us much more pain and agony than it has saved us from.

[Lola43]

yes have thought this for ages! I mean my GP eventually agreed to prescribe oxycodone for my RLS. Then when I saw consultant he said no to try the rotigotine patch first. I told him that I don’t want it! He said he had to go by NICE guidelines. Doctors are becoming puppets - not allowed to prescribe what they think actually works . He said it’s because there are more studies on the dopamine agonists than there are opoids and could become addicted. I don’t care about addiction - I would always be careful . Just want my rls sorted without harmful side effects like augmentation and unusual behaviours! I’ll just have to keep using kratom 😞. So I can completely understand this article

[Jelbea in reply to Lola43]

Hi Lola - I understand your reluctance to try the rotigotine patch. Prof. Walker has said if it does not work he would then try Targinact. Can you pretend to take it and say it does not work - if that what it takes then so be it. No one will really know if you took it or not - you can say side effects were not bearable. I am a very truthful person but there are times a white lie is necessary!!!!!!😉

[Lola43 in reply to Jelbea]

yes your right. Think I’ll do this - my GP wouldn’t prescribe the targinact as they aren’t allowed but it has naloxone in it - so it’s safer that opioids without this. Yes I think I’ll do that. I gave in last night as my rls was so bad that I popped a patch on as kratom didn’t work (and I don’t want to have to keep taking kratom as it’s not legal here and you never know what it’s doing to you ). I must admit within 3 hrs of putting the patch on it took the rls away . But it’s the augmentation bit I’m concerned about . Even prof Walker admitted that it can cause augmentation and if that fails then we look at opoids . It’s like banging your head against a brick wall isn’t it?

[Tatarovski in reply to Lola43]

Hi Lola, i am pretty much in the same boat with you. Currently using kratom about 8-9 grams a day for 3 years. I was wondering what happens if i use dopamine agonists time to time, still cause augmentation? It would be nice to take a break of kratom ever once in a while.

[Lola43 in reply to Tatarovski]

I totally get you. I’ve been titrating down and on 2g per day. I took last if it yesterday and not buying anymore. Going to see how I do without it and am planning if I get bad RLS then I’ll stick a patch on and see if I can just use it for when it’s really really bad off the scale

[Shumbah in reply to Jelbea]

ABSOLUTELY!!!

I tell everyone to do a list for Doctor bullet point all the horrid drugs and list the side effects as if you have already tried them all and suffered.

Many years ago my doctor who was also a client of mine in my business said I am going to right you a script for Sifrol but I DONT want you to take it, he said I write the scripts you don’t take them , come back with a list of side effects you suffered then it’s all in your file never to be disputed again and then I can prescribe opioids because there are no other options .

[Dotmowatee]

My gp freaked out ( almost) when I mentioned Targinact. After educating her and forwarding an email from my private consultant she prescribed them. I take them every three days. Nothing else works.

[Munroist]

I think like most things there are arguments on both sides. From feedback in this forum there seems to be a reluctance to prescribe opioids for almost anything, even in low doses to patients who are suffering and when there is good evidence from RLS research to say they may be necessary. However America is a good example of the harm of indiscriminate usage so there has to be oversight and guidelines. Human beings are not always the best just of what's good for them.

However this all seems to be about symptoms and going wider than just RLS I would suggest that much more needs to be done on prevention to reduce the amount of people needing medication when it might have been avoidable and secondly our doctors and medical staff are not really supported in the best way. The NHS has been poorly managed and underfunded for many years and I think this is the result. We might need to pay more for our healthcare with and increasingly ageing population and the increase on costs of treatment partly due to so many more things being treatable. Then we might get better trained doctors with the time to make more informed decisions.

[Tanker1]

Thank you for the rant. This was exactly one of the points I made when I commented on the proposed DEA regulations on telehealth prescribing. I urge all of you to comment on this stupid and useless regulation. Comments are due today.

regulations.gov/document/DE...

[Sleepylamb]

I agree with you totally that if we need pain medication we should be allowed to have it through our doctors. There are ways to monitor a patient if the doctor "truly" suspects abuse or harm to the patient. The problem with most of the rise in deaths in the US is fentanyl being smuggled through the southern border. They are disguised as candy and told to young people to try it, it will make you feel better, like a recreational drug. It takes one pill because it's so powerful that it's killing mostly our young people. 😔