About PSA keep decrease

[Kai77]

Hi..all

I just want to ask...

If there a case that psa keep droping without any treatment...

My father psa just keep droping without any treatment..

Just becom a vegan and drink alot of ginger every days..

My father history are

Nov 2019

- got hematuria with psa : 23

- got a biopsy 12cores and 1core postif with gleason 7 and stage T2a

- at the end of nov psa : 12.5

Dec 2019

- psa : 5.36

Feb 2020

- Psa : 3.51

- Ratio free psa : 11.29%

- free psa : 0.396 ng/ml

Mar 2020

- Psa : 2

And then now just 3 days ago

Apr 2020

- Psa : 1.69

And my question is there any chance that my father PCa shrink?

Thnk alot all

[Magnus1964]

That is amazing. Turning vegan could certainly help. Not consuming animal products from animals fed growth hormones is a really good start. But I would not think it's a cure. Keep us updated on his progress.

[Tall_Allen]

He probably had prostatitis - it relapses and remits on its own. He still has prostate cancer.

[jmurgia]

I was diagnosed in 2002 (PSA 6.5 GS=8) and immediately started on a (mostly raw) vegan diet along with juicing. My PSA immediately dropped. I had no treatment for 16 years. Consulted with several doctors. All said "You goona die!"

Joe

[Kai77 in reply to jmurgia]

How long had u been vegan?

And how about your psa now?

Thnx for relpy...

[tom67inMA]

If you want a really fringe explanation, it could be the biopsy. Things like biopsies, radiation, or chemo can break up tumors and suddenly they become visible to the immune system which attacks the tumor. Its rare at best, and a quack theory at worst. But if you look up "abscopal response", you'll find cases where one tumor is radiated and tumors far from the radiation site begin to shrink.

I don't normally spread such theories, but being in chemo right now I'm hoping for something unlikely but highly helpful in addition to the normal effects of chemo.

[Stevecavill]

With numbers like that I would be sceptical about the biopsy result. 1 out of 12 cores, gleason 7, stage 2a, would not typically produce a psa so high. PSA 23 I would expect Gleason 8 or higher and 10 out of 12 cores positive.

So it seems the psa was high for a different reason. You will need to keep monitoring once psa reaches bottom, then see if it shows a steady increase. Maybe try to get an MRI to compare to the biopsy results.