Covid myths debunked by an expert

[PMRpro]

theguardian.com/world/2021/...

Since I have already read a couple of mythis/lies about Covid today I thought this was atimely article to post for you all to read.

[Highlandtiger]

Thanks - a useful and timely reminder to all...

[DorsetLady PMRGCAuk volunteer]

As said, a timely and eminently sensible article, thanks…

[Hidden]

Essentially reading! 😀

[piglette]

They left out the one that the coronavirus pandemic is a cover for a plan to implant trackable microchips and that the Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates is behind it!

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to piglette]

Maybe they overestimated the sense of the readers ...

[piglette in reply to PMRpro]

The Dunning-Kruger effect: the idea that stupid people don’t know they are stupid, and as such they walk around with delusions of intellectual grandeur.

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to piglette]

Something like that!!!

[piglette in reply to PMRpro]

I have come across quite a few, particularly in government!

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to piglette]

Yeeee-eees

Have you seem the meme about Lord of the Flies?

"Lord of the Flies tells the story of a bunch of public school boys who take back control of an island cut off from the rest of the world and then collapse into vicious infighting. It's a work of fiction apparently ..."

[DorsetLady PMRGCAuk volunteer in reply to PMRpro]

…based on insider knowledge!

[MamaBeagle in reply to piglette]

That is so funny piglette!!! Sad thing is I have a friend who believes a lot of this rubbish. Refused vaccine and yes you guessed? A really intelligent experienced nurse she recently caught Covid, ICU for over a week, in hospital for 2 weeks altogether. I already called them idiots...kindly...ish but don't trust myself to speak to her at the moment. She's been home a week now 😏

[piglette in reply to MamaBeagle]

Has she changed her mind about the vaccine now? There was the case of the parents and son who all died in the same week of Covid as they thought they were perfectly fit and had strong immune systems so did not need to be vaccinated.

[MamaBeagle in reply to piglette]

I dare t actually call her and speak as I can't guarantee not to lecture her😏. I msgd when I knew she was home, Reply was ok but v v tired, which I think she will blame on not getting enough sleep sleep! I've seen all the stories of how people didn't trust the jab, then caught Covid, wished they had, but too late and pooped their clogs. I have every sympathy with someone jabbed and then sadly catches Covid.

[piglette in reply to MamaBeagle]

There was something on Northwick hospital recently about Covid cases there and the doctors were obviously very p*ssed off with those that had not been vaccinated and had had every opportunity.

[DorsetLady PMRGCAuk volunteer in reply to piglette]

Quite right as well!

[Constance13 in reply to MamaBeagle]

"pooped their clogs"😂😂😂 A new one to me!

[MamaBeagle in reply to Constance13]

😂😂😂🤣

[GerriMc in reply to piglette]

Well I have to say my 5G reception has been excellent since I got the vaccine! 😂

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to GerriMc]

And that's on a 3G phone

[GerriMc in reply to PMRpro]

Well 4G, but yeah!😉

[piglette in reply to GerriMc]

Wait for BT2025 when analogue land lines disappear!

[HeronNS]

Very timely. And I just found this one, which explains why it's more important to vaccinate the world rather than give boosters to people who are already fully vaccinated.

theguardian.com/society/202...

[DorsetLady PMRGCAuk volunteer in reply to HeronNS]

Link doesn’t work - even copying & pasting.

[HeronNS in reply to DorsetLady]

I found it on the same page as the link PMRPro posted. I'll try again. This has happened to me a couple of times lately. The link gets truncated (not by me) after it has been posted.

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to HeronNS]

theguardian.com/commentisfr...

This one????

[HeronNS in reply to PMRpro]

Different article. Interesting nevertheless. The one I posted was dated today. Some thought here that children need to be protected more than we thought because some of them are turning up with long covid problems. Even if it's only 2%, that can eventually be a very large number if children are allowed to catch covid. As we know, some of the effects may have lifelong consequences. I do feel if Canada had ability to make vaccines we would be more generous. As it is, we are now, finally, donating vaccines we had purchased but do not need. We now have all the vaccine we need to fully vaccinate the entire population (I guess the young children come later as their dosage will be different) so anything available to be delivered to us is going to go to Covax instead. Pleased to see this happening at last. Just a drop in the bucket, but every little helps.

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to HeronNS]

Yes, realised that after I'd posted, couldn't find yours!

[HeronNS in reply to PMRpro]

I remembered the subject, it was no longer on the page.

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to HeronNS]

I remember the article at the time and searched - nothing

[HeronNS in reply to PMRpro]

Ah, well, you weren't a librarian!

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to HeronNS]

I confess I didn't spend long on it!!!!

[HeronNS in reply to DorsetLady]

theguardian.com/society/202...

[DorsetLady PMRGCAuk volunteer in reply to HeronNS]

That’s better , thank you, first link wasn’t in blue…so not direct …..I did find it with a bit of juggling, but others may not persevere.

And if course, the message is correct, but unfortunately that doesn’t mean it will happen…corruption, warring factions, and politics get in the way!

[HeronNS in reply to DorsetLady]

It was blue when I posted it, I looked, because this happened to me a day or two ago.

[DorsetLady PMRGCAuk volunteer in reply to HeronNS]

Probably HU faffing about…as usual.😳 working now, so that’s the main thing.

[HeronNS in reply to DorsetLady]

I think so. The other time was my own osteoporosis story! I posted it and not long afterwards I was, of course, on the thread, and realized the link wasn't blue. So I made sure today. Oh well, thanks for drawing it to my attention.

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to HeronNS]

Been a few "moments" on HU today - lord only knows what the weekend will be like!

[Bcol in reply to DorsetLady]

I assume your last sentence was applicable to the UK or were you including the rest of the world!!!!!!!!

[DorsetLady PMRGCAuk volunteer in reply to Bcol]

Couldn’t possibly comment m’lud! 😳

[pmr_nikola in reply to DorsetLady]

link actually works fine here

[DorsetLady PMRGCAuk volunteer in reply to pmr_nikola]

It does here now, but it didn’t yesterday.

[Joanbill13]

Very interesting thanks for posting

[Kendrew]

If only we could ensure that the people who really need to read this, would!!! .....but thankyou for the reminder.

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to Kendrew]

But I also offer such stuff so that others have the knowledge to disbelieve the informants

[Kendrew in reply to PMRpro]

👍Of course. There definitely will be people who will believe such 'guff' until they're given the truth and I fully agree with you there.

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to Kendrew]

Some of them prefer the guff to the truth ,,

[Kendrew in reply to PMRpro]

😄 Haha! Well, more fool them! What is it they say??..... "The truth will prevail"!

[Hidden]

If that doesn't frighten us all to death, nothing will. Thanks for the fright.

[PuttyPenguin]

Thanks for this!

[FRnina]

thanks for posting. Everybody needs reminding all the time- too easy to let the guard down or pretending we're out of the woods.

[Viveka]

Our seventy-year-old but super-fit and vegan friend didn't have the vaccine even though he lives in a city. We won't know whether he has changed his mind about vaccines until he is out of hospital ... Also, I like the Guardian advice about masks. Will get a higher protection one for the winter.

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to Viveka]

Unfortunately, being superfit doesn't stop the immune system aging and being less efficient. And given young, fit and healthy people have died from Covid ...

[pmr_nikola]

Very good article... paragraph that I have hard time to believe is:

"Having had Covid does give you reasonable protection from being infected again, but it’s not as good as the protection you get from being vaccinated. Immunity from vaccination lasts longer and is more robust to new variants. "

"Last longer" ?? We had Covid19 1.5 years or so and mass vaccination just this year. If the immunity from actual Covid19 is shorter then 1.5 years we are in deep s**** .

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to pmr_nikola]

They are talking about immunity developed from disease and from vaccination in general - and assuming the same applies as for all other vaccines.

[pmr_nikola in reply to PMRpro]

Thanks for responding. This is exactly why I doubt it. For example, if you had chickenpox as a child, you would have immunity for life; on the other side, chickenpox vaccine needs boosters every so often ( i forget , but I think it is 10 years or so). To me immunity from real thing (actual chickenpox) is always more lasting then simulation ( chickenpox vaccine). Why would it be any different for Covid19 ? What am I missing?

[Highlandtiger in reply to pmr_nikola]

I don’t think what you say about chickenpox vaccine boosters is factually accurate.

[pmr_nikola in reply to Highlandtiger]

According to CDC you do...Pls see my comments below

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to pmr_nikola]

Varicella is a once for life vaccine - a primer at about 1 year old and a booster at about 5 years of age.

medlineplus.gov/ency/articl...

The 10 year boosters fits for tetanus???? But even tetanus become life-long after several.

[pmr_nikola in reply to PMRpro]

Here is what CDC says about Varicella vaccines:

"Children need 2 doses of varicella vaccine, usually:. First dose: age 12 through 15 months; Second dose: age 4 through 6 years; Older children, adolescents, and adults also need 2 doses of varicella vaccine if they are not already immune to chickenpox.. Varicella vaccine may be given at the same time as other vaccines."

So if you had chickenpox, you don't need any boosters as an adult but if you only had vaccines ( 2) as a child, you need 2 boosters . The question is why wouldn't the same logic work for Covid19? - My original point before we got sidetracked on chickenpox ;).

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to pmr_nikola]

I think you are misreading that - the usual doses are to children who have not had CP, a primer given at 1 year and a booster at 4-6 years. IF a child/older person has not had the vaccines at those ages and are to be vaccinated later, they also require a primer and a booster jab, UNLESS they have had CP in the meantime in which case they possibly only need one

[pmr_nikola in reply to PMRpro]

Well we seem to have gone off the subject a bit. I was comparing Covid19 and CP. The point I was making is simple. If someone had a CP once, the immunity lasts for life. Individual needs at least two doses of the vaccine ( which you call primer and booster) to get maybe the same protection. But I never heard of need to have CP vaccine if you already had CP.

So why does one need vaccine after having covid19?That was my original question.

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to pmr_nikola]

Because the immunity that is developed isn't quite the same - don't ask me the details but naturally acquired immunity isn't always the same as in response to a vaccine. Possibly due to the fact the immune system is under more stress when you are ill? Don't know

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to pmr_nikola]

So I looked it up. Naturally acquired immunity will be strongest for the variant with which you were infected. Vaccine-acquired immunity will respond to more variants because it was generated by a different bit of the viral structure

directorsblog.nih.gov/2021/...

[pmr_nikola in reply to PMRpro]

Fascinating read. Thank you.

Apology for my persistence, but it is in my nature to analyze and try to dissect things until I understand them.

[PMRpro Ambassador in reply to pmr_nikola]

That's fine - me too, but this stuff is just ingrained for me after a lifetime in medical science and I have to look a bit to find a good article that explains better than me sitting writing for hours