Essential very revealing listening - I think. - PMRGCAuk

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Essential very revealing listening - I think.

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youtube.com/watch?v=jcnd3us...

It's long though! Some of you may be interested in the comments section underneath. One of which is the following...

STATINS ARE POISON!!!!!!! After being on Crestor for a year, had major joint pain and massive muscle weakness. Told my cardiologist “I would rather die” and put them in the garbage. BTW, I have a pacemaker and had bypass surgery in 2014. Starting in 2015, I had stopped the statin, and went HIGH FAT and LOW CARB, and have NEVER FELT BETTER IN MY LIFE. Dr Malhotra, you are spot on, sugar and carbs are the real problem. I am N 1, I ate low fat high carb all my life, 0 family history of heart disease and exercising religiously. I had a quintuple bypass and still have an ejection fraction of 20. They dietary guideline are wrong and big pharma are BASTA-RDS. They don’t care about health but profits. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER.

How many folk on this forum are taking Crestor and having extra Muscle Pain as a result?

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Pongo13

Awoke early so had time before work to watch. V interesting. Glad I've cut out sugar and processed junk! (I do find myself standing by the cakes now and again...but I just look and move on!.)

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Patience47

Creator nearly killed me. I started experiencing muscle weakness all over my body...... including my heart. It became so bad I thought my heart was going to stop. I stopped Crestor and immediately felt better. My heart grew stronger and stronger every day I was off Crestor. I couldn't believe the very thing that was supposed to help me was slowly killing me.

However, I do realize many don't have any side effects, DorsetLady being one in particular. I was taking Crestor for several years (5 or 6 I believe) before experiencing side effects.

Anyway, that was my experience and I would never take a statin drug again.

Thanks for posting, all good information.

Karen

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Soraya_PMR

Has taken me all day in divided doses, but well worth listening. Nothing very new, and I suspect most people on this forum are aware of the low fat higher carb diet nonsense. But when this myth is propogated not only by food industry, but diabetic nurses and nutritionists, there’s something very warped going on. Good to hear that nutritionist (dietitian?) describing that as a ‘bad plate’.

Personally I’ve never knowingly eaten anything labelled as low fat, and avoid artificial sweeteners like the plague. My milk is full fat, as are my yogurts, cheese etc. My LDL is supposedly on the upper limit of ‘normal’ and my HDL is 3 times the government recommended minimum. I guess that’s the way my body likes it, as it’s me that’s making most of the cholesterol, rather than ingesting it. Vitally important for hormones, including the adrenal hormones, so we should all be eating some fat.

One snippet I was not aware of, re the fasting being useful for the gut micro flora, and resting the gut allowing those good bugs to proliferate. 16 hours needed, and I’m not averse to missing breakfast so that could be accomplished quite easily.

Interesting listen, thanks.

And I’ve actually just ordered the Pioppi diet (read ‘lifestyle’, not diet). Rare for me to order based on a video! Also the Great Cholesterol Con, as that’s supposed to be a good read.

If you’re struggling with your weight, definitely listen to this broadcast.

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sennetta in reply toSoraya_PMR

Yes, Soraya, it is disturbing. I have sat with a diabetes clinic nurse who spouted the most irrational rubbish about diet and who clearly had no idea about what is actually happening in the body when diabetes is present and she couldn't answer intelligent questions about exactly what the effect of glucosteroids is on the situation. I was already eating a very good diet and have been cooking all food from scratch for 40 years!

She also told me that there was a local support group for diabetics for me to get recipes, have a cup of tea and eat biscuits! Urm - don't think so! A few days later she phoned me to say she had found out. The papers she left for me to collect were totally irrelevant....reams about end of life care protocol for diabetics in care homes or hospital.

Oh yes and the posters in the clinic with all those carbs at the bottom of the pyramid? They were proudly boasting that they had been sponsored by a major cereal company

My one dealing with a dietrician was when I was expecting my first baby and the only thing I came away with from that was that I should keep boiled sweets (which I never eat) in my pocket in case I felt sick (which I wasn't).

Like you I don't do low fat either nor artificial sweeteners which will wreck both a good G&T and Pimms!

If you're interested in looking further into the concept of fasting, You should look for Jason Fung - a Canadian nephrologist - who speaks vey knowledgeably and makes a lot of sense. There's plenty about him online - his books are very interesting. I'll be interested to hear what you think of the Pioppi book when you've had a chance to look at it.

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Soraya_PMR in reply tosennetta

It’s getting harder and harder to get decent mixers nowadays. I don’t drink soda often, but if I did, I drank the sugared variety. Those few that were available to me now have artificial sweeteners rather than sugar, assume to avoid the sugar tax.

And yes, the last Pimms I had had been poisoned with stevia or similar. Absolute sacrilege!

I’ll google Jason Fung, thanks. Not that I really want to fast (other than the occasional missed breakfast) as I lose weight at the drop of a hat!

I’ll let you know about Pioppi.

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Soraya_PMR in reply tosennetta

As for your diabetic clinic nurse.... :o

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sennetta in reply toSoraya_PMR

I think we've been on this PMR wagon for about the same length of time - I'm wobbling around 3.5-4 gr where have you got to?

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Soraya_PMR in reply tosennetta

I’ve been on 8mg for two weeks. I flared at 10mg last December....went up, coming down....again.

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sennetta in reply toSoraya_PMR

There were 18 of us resident in our house over Christmas and as I did everything, I was feeling a bit wacked by the time I'd finished all the laundry about 3 weeks into the new year! So I nipped up to 12mg for three days to bang things on the head and went back down to where I was at about 6mg and have been working down from there. I drove our last remaining guests to the airport on the 8th Jan and started back teaching in the afternoon. Still I have survived!

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Soraya_PMR in reply tosennetta

sennetta

Definitely worth reading the Pioppi book. He’s a cardiologist, so much is aimed at heart disease. BUT there’s information useful to us with PMR for sure. Lots about sugar, insulin, saturated fat, cholesterol, insulin resistance and carbohydrate intolerance, type II diabetes, exercise, stress, fasting, recommended foods, recipes, and a section on movement.

So if you’re trying to lose weight, have high BP, are in a statin conundrum, or your blood sugars are higher than they should be, then this book will help with common sense, research, and non of the big Pharma & government misdirections!

We (as a family) are taking this on board. I’m already a low carb/full fat girl ;) let’s see what the rest of the family think after a few weeks :)

Have read a few salient bits to hubby, he’s already thrown away his nasty bottles of ‘juice’ (sugared water!) and yogurts with 6 teaspoons of sugar each! Something I’ve read to him has evidently hit home at last! Getting him to ditch carbs will be harder, but converting to brown carbs will be doable.

‘Exercise is over-rated, movement is good’

‘Stop counting calories’

Two ultra sensible quotes that we with PMR can appreciate.

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PMRproAmbassador in reply toSoraya_PMR

I'll send my husband to you for retraining...

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Soraya_PMR in reply toPMRpro

Thanks for your very kind offer. But.....ooh I think I’m busy that day ;)

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PMRproAmbassador in reply toSoraya_PMR

Typical!

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sennetta

I don't drink pop either but decent tonic which we drink in Pimms and with tonic is vital!! Hope Fever-Tree Haven't altered their recipe - I'd rather take the financial hit!

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angiek

Very interesting video. I've believed this for a long time about Statins, and refused them when consistent blood tests showed a familial high cholesterol 'problem', but it seems the health professionals are very slow to cotton on. There is so much media interest at the moment re the benefits of high fat/low carb -and especially recently the cholesterol side of things. I'm half way through 'Grain Brain' by Dr. David Perlmutter- wheat,carbs, sugar are killing us, causing a myriad of health problems, not least of which is dementia/Alzheimers. But NHS dieticians are still quick to recommend high carb/low fat.

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ConventCassie in reply toangiek

Every week I order a new book & weekly change my diet. I’m on the high protein, low carb & no sugar (exc chocolate) at the moment. I’m thinking the sugar affects the BP too, more than salt. Go Bloody Marys!

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HeronNS in reply toConventCassie

Apparently sugar may indeed be the culprit in some ailments, rather than salt. I know I'm feeling better these days now that I'm consuming more salt.

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I took something for about a week and it was awful - I think it was Lipitor/atorvastatin. Never again!

A friend has been dx's with Type 2 - it was waiting to happen, very overweight all around her middle and the plates of food just make me cringe even if it is homecooked and good food.

The GP "diabetes guru" told her that it is all about calories so she's eating low fat. Saturday breakfast (her treat, usually it is cereal) was 2 rolls and jam and a low fat (high sugar) yog. Sunday dinner was lamb with an ENORMOUS Yorkshire pud, new potatoes, mashed parsnips, carrots, beans and peas. The amount on the plate would have done me for at least 2 meals, probably 3. No wonder her Hba1c was in the upper 60s and it wasn't expected she'd get it down...

I do use diet tonic - because I detest the taste of normal. But at maybe 12 G&Ts a year...

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Joydeck

Enjoyed the video. Refined carbs are truly dreadful.

My take on the research is that saturated fat is still an issue but less than once believed, and unrefined carbs are fine but in moderation.

As for statins and medications generally, research findings will always be problematic so long as pharmaceutical companies fund the research and promote the findings. Contrary to prevailing wisdom, as a 68-year-old I am not taking anticoagulants for atrial fibrillation. It is a question of risk.

My diet changed in 1982 on reading Nathan Pritikin, who advocated much as the video. In the 1990's, I increased the good fats and moderated unrefined carbs. My blood pressure, blood glucose, blood lipids and internal body fat have long been excellent. Besides, the food is tastier!

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PMRproAmbassador in reply toJoydeck

"I am not taking anticoagulants for atrial fibrillation. It is a question of risk."

And I have to say - that is one risk I won't take. The anticoagulant therapy is the most significant preventative of stroke in a/f - and there is increasing evidence that the rate of stroke alongside a/f is increasing BECAUSE of lack of anticoagulant therapy. I live somewhere that is very sceptical of Big Pharma's claims but the one thing they are very keen on is anticoags for a/f.

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Joydeck in reply toPMRpro

A couple of years ago, I was about to take Apixaban until I had cause to pause.

The USA only advocates NOAC for over 70's whose CHA2DS2–VASc score is only 1. My CHA2DS2–VASc score is 1 (for age over 65) so the reduction in stroke risk for me, at 68-years-old, is fairly small. I have no hint of metabolic syndrome or internal fatty deposits. Besides, the creator of the CHA2DS2–VASc score had a vested interest in the NOACs.

Rivaroxaban approval testing was biased in its favour. Apixaban approval testing is also suspect. Most positive studies are industry funded and of doubtful integrity (much like those for statins).

NOACs have yet to be proved in long term studies. In particular, Dabigatran and, likely, all NOACs double the risk of major heart attack unlike warfarin. NOACs do nothing to reduce the risk of heart failure which is a several times greater risk than stroke for AF patients. The risk of life-threatening bleeding is higher with NOACs. While NOACs reduces the risk of stroke somewhat, they may prove to increase long-term mortality.

All new treatments are wonderful in the first decade or two.

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PMRproAmbassador in reply toJoydeck

I didn't say they were wonderful - I too am seriously sceptical about new drugs. However, while I was able to use Sintrom (a version of warfarin) for several years. suddenly it became impossible to keep a stable INR (it swung from 1.3 to over 4 in the space of a few days without any change in diet or dose). Having INR checked weekly is not very practical - so we made the decision to switch. The anticoagulants don't alter the heart failure aspect, whether they are warfarin or NOACs - that's a different thing.

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Joydeck in reply toPMRpro

A device to enable home monitoring of INR is in development. Unstable INR, as you doubtless know, is responsible for many warfarin fatalities.

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PMRproAmbassador in reply toJoydeck

"in development"? They have been available for a few years! In fact, a hand-held device is what the GPs here locally use rather than the patient attending the phlebotomy clinic. We considered getting one when both of us needed INR monitoring and mine was being such a pain - but didn't bother as the doctors decided switching made more sense than sore fingers! Plus we would have had to pay for the disposables ourselves and they don't come cheap.

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