need help

[Angie47]

Recently tripped went splat and fractured my shoulder and am unable to self inject my due b12 shot one handed is there anyone in the Nuneaton area who could help out with giving me an injection. Would be willing to pay for time and travel expenses. Did ask at the Doctors but they were unwilling to help.

[Nackapan]

Sorry to hear this. Would a neighbour be willing to draw up a sc one ?

That's possible one handed to inject .

If desperate you could pay for a one off .

Surgery unwilling to help?

Do you have them on prescription too?

Tricky situation for you.

Really has to be self administered .

[Angie47 in reply to Nackapan]

Wouldn't be quite so bad but right handed and and right shoulder fractured so don't think would be able to do it myself with my left. I know you can get b12 at salons but as unable to drive at moment thought there might be someone who could help. Was in dispute with my Doctor over frequency of injections he made me have blood tests and wouldn't give me another one until my reading was very low which didn't suit my symptoms so went down the self inject route after reading on here how many people were successfully doing it

[Wheat]

Hello Angie, sorry unable to help. What a predicament.

I do hope its not too painful. I have broken my right wrist and had to do everything with my left hand, but it is not as limiting as your broken shoulder.

I assume your shoulder is plastered ? and/or imobilized in a sling. Are you able to use you fingers to hold the ampoule/vial , if so, it might be possible to break ampule, draw up and inject left handed. Worth trying.

I'm Very Sorry if my suggestion is not helpful as this is not a possibility. I would hate to cause you any upset. Best wishes x

[Angie47 in reply to Wheat]

in a swing can move the fingers but can't take any pressure as arm was badly bruised and is so painful

[Wheat in reply to Angie47]

Im sorry to hear that, may you recover asap. In the meantime that you get the help you need.

Can you absorb sublingually. I find active methyl/ado 3000 b12 drops helpful if im too ill to inject. Best wishes.

[Angie47 in reply to Wheat]

Thanks will try it

[Jillymo]

Aw bless you.

I can imagine the difficulty you must be facing. I dislocated my shoulder some years ago which needed surgery - right shoulder. Even toilet needs where difficult to say the least. The hospital gave me a gadjet to wipe myself after going to the loo, I couldn't get the hang of the wretched thing but it might become a museum piece if I hang onto it.

What about one of those automatic injection pens ? Not used one myself but might be worth looking into for the time being.

I seem to remember someone on here asking about one. 😘

[Angie47 in reply to Jillymo]

Yes everything's so difficult especially toilet needs didn't realise there is a gadget that can help what was it called?

[FlipperTD in reply to Angie47]

Scientist, not medic, and some sort of historian.

The Roman invasion of Britain resulted in us discovering the use of the 'sponge on a stick' (xylospongium). Potentially the original toilet brush. Left in a bucket with vinegar between uses, I can only wonder about what festered in it.

I apologise for my flippancy; I do appreciate your problems.

[Jillymo in reply to FlipperTD]

I object to having a pickled rear end Flipper. 🤣

[Angie47 in reply to FlipperTD]

like your reply but not willing to have a bucket festering i the loo!!!

[FlipperTD in reply to Angie47]

Me neither! The Romans had running water in a channel that washed the sponge as well, so the bucket might not have been necessary, if you happened to have a Roman Fort with a purpose-built place.

[Jillymo in reply to Angie47]

I dont know what the gadjet was but if honest it wasn't the best for doing the job. Flippers idea is much better.

I ended up buying a dish mop on a stick, take a look on ebay they have some on there. Hope you recover soon.

[JMN2017]

Angie, So sorry to hear this and I can understand your predicament re injecting. Would a friend come round to help you out? Or family member? SC is much easier than IM, especially if another is doing it. I do hope you can find someone. As Wheat has suggested, might oral work, as a temporary measure.

I'm afraid I live in East Anglia, so too far from you, otherwise I'd be all too happy to help out.

Are you managing to get food/meals etc? That's important too. Can someone helping with meals not help out with the injections?

Wishing you all the best for your B12 to be address and for your shoulder to heal quickly. Oh, the pain you must have !!!

[Angie47 in reply to JMN2017]

Thanks have a family member but she can't help with injections and have ordered what wheat suggested and am inquiring about an automatic injector.

[JMN2017 in reply to Angie47]

Such a shame your family member can't help with your injections. I really hope you can find a suitable alternative, until you are able to SI again.

I don't know of automatic injector but, hopefully, it will help tremendously

[Gambit62 Administrator]

Its not a cheap option but may be using an auto-injector might help?

[Angie47 in reply to Gambit62]

yes do you know here I could get one normally use uk medicare but they seem to be out of stock and do you know which one I should use for 1ml ampoule of B12

[Gambit62 Administrator in reply to Angie47]

apologies - I wasn't aware there were multiple options. People have posted occasionally about an automated injector from Union Medico

[Oneash]

Oh gosh. Don't the medics realise you need extra B12 to mend. Sorry I'm no where near. Do try the sublingual spray you can get it mail order direct from BetterYou.comCould you get a district nurse to help?

[Showgem]

If you can manage to snap the top off an ampule you could mix it with a glass of water and sip this throughout the day. Some would be passively absorbed this way.

A friend or neighbour may be more willing to do this if they don’t feel able to help you with injections.

I badly broke my wrist in 3 places a few years ago and have idea of how incapacitating a broken shoulder must be. Hope you heal quickly x

[Polaris]

What an awful predicament 🤦‍♀️. I’m so sorry Angie47 that you are left trying to manage alone with this - can’t imagine how horribly difficult all of it must be !

Can only suggest explaining to the practice manager how much extra stress not being able to do your own regular injections is affecting you, on top of trying to heal this horrible injury, which could be a huge symptom of B12! (ie before I began self injecting, I’d had several falls one of which landed me with a black eye - reflexes not working properly ! )

Best wishes for much better treatment xx

[Polaris in reply to Polaris]

PS Remembering the worst fall with black eye was walking whilst on holiday - retired to bed in shock afterwards.

Homeopathic Arnica + Rhus Tox can be bought o.t.c. at the chemist and helped with pain and bruising but don’t let on to doctors, who will just scoff and gaslight 😕 I was back walking the next day, luckily borrowing friend’s huge sunglasses !

[Technoid in reply to Polaris]

100% justified scoffing in this particular case. No gaslighting required.

"Arnica is also available in homeopathic preparations, but in this case the story is quite different. Homeopathic remedies are diluted to the extent that the final product doesn’t contain any of the original purported active ingredient and the therapeutic effect is claimed to be accomplished by some sort of molecular memory that has been imparted to the solution through successive dilutions and systematic shakings

...

Do homeopathic arnica remedies work? While a few trials have suggested a mild positive effect, the majority have found the results to be the same as with a placebo. How can there be any trials that show a benefit, given that there is no active ingredient involved? Sometimes positive results occur by chance alone, which is why in science one looks beyond individual studies and searches for consensus. The bottom line is that while arnica gels or ointments may provide some relief from arthritic pain, homeopathic versions benefit only those who sell such products."

mcgill.ca/oss/article/healt...

[Polaris in reply to Technoid]

Nine books on homeopathy alone in the bookcase so don’t feel I want to argue with anyone who hasn’t properly tried it…..

Am just glad it has served me so well over a long life, especially as I seemed to be so accident prone on holiday - able continue walking around all the Scilly Isles even after badly sprained ankle swelled up until it resembled an elephant’s foot !

[Technoid in reply to Polaris]

The problem here is the limitations of personal experience. If I was to try homeopathy I might end up feeling that I experienced some benefit. Would this prove that homeopathy is doing something beyond placebo effect?

Obviously not. Thats the whole point of placebo effect, there might not be any actual active ingredient but, because you expect to feel a benefit from it, you do end up feeling better.By definition there is no "control group" to compare whether there would have been a benefit if you had NOT used the treatment.

As explained above, in studies where homeopathic preparations were actually tested in clinical trials, for the majority of them there was no clear benefit as compared to groups receiving a "placebo" treatment, which of course is what we would expect if there is nothing in the preparation that would be expected to "do" anything.

Placebo effect is not "nothing", the brain has a powerful influence over the body and placebo effects can result in mild objectively measurable positive benefits or subjective benefits of lessened pain, reduced stress etc.

For this reason some doctors would not argue patients out of engaging in harmless activities where the benefits are likely only due to placebo, since the philosophy would be "whats the harm". A quite valid viewpoint I think.

I'm merely pointing out that if the preparation contains no active ingredient then there is no plausible mechanism by which it could produce any benefit other than placebo.

And this is exactly what is seen when homeopathic preparations are tested.It's not really very controversial. It's not complicated and it's not necessary to read nine books on the subject to understand it.

[Polaris in reply to Technoid]

Your last two paragraphs demonstrate just how little you know about the subject, so seems to me rather an empty statement to say whether or not one needs to read nine books. I read because I’m curious and enjoy learning all about subjects I’m interested in.

Your problem is that you haven’t read enough to understand even the basics of homeopathy before you rushed to shoot it down…….. 🤫

[Technoid in reply to Polaris]

Why not enlighten me (and the rest of the forum) instead of pontificating about your supposedly superior knowledge and my supposed ignorance?

[Polaris in reply to Technoid]

Oh dear - accusing me of pontificating 🙄!!

Off to bed now 🥱

[totallyFrustrated]

for help with toileting, it depends on the lay out of your bathroom. When I was in a similar situation I could take the flexible shower hose and with the shower head in the toilet create a home made bidet. Tricky, but works well. Best of luck

[Katiebell6]

Hi Angie I think the sublingual idea is a strong one. Because I think the main reason people SI is inability to absorb through stomach? I have tried: going to bed with a crushed high dose methylcobalamin (oral) tablet in my gums. Can't say how effective but presumably it increases availability to the body. If you feel you have to SI and end up trying with your left hand, then I wish you all the luck and that you manage it, even if takes time

xx