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Hi after some research I think hydroxy is the best form of b12 and others can cause some problems. I can only find one brand of hydroxy in German pharmacies online and it’s the most expensive i think. Can anyone recommend any other brain or hydroxy anywhere? Thanks a bunch

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I get pharmaRotexmedica depot 1mg/1ml

Like alot of other people here

Also have cytomen

Accord

Gerot and Lanoch on prescription.

Not sure if online as haven't looked

Ehysibi profile image
Ehysibi in reply to Nackapan

Thnx. Is it hydroxy? Could u point me where I can find it? It used to be on bodfeld apotheke but now it’s gone ?

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wedgewood in reply to Ehysibi

Rotexmedica laboratories have been taken over by a French pharmaceutical company called Panpharma . The Rotexmedica are now sold under that new name , They are exactly the same in the same packaging , But now called Panpharma B12 depot . You can get straight to them by entering their Pharmeceutical reference number — 16199653 Bodfeld will only accept Bank Transfer payments for U.K.

versandapo.de will accept PayPal and Bank transfer - DHL courier €9.00

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Ehysibi in reply to wedgewood

Thanks! Does the first one charge for delivery too? And could u confirm if it’s hydroxy? The website doesn’t say

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wedgewood in reply to Ehysibi

If you search for B12 Depot it means that it is Hydroxocobalamin. If you enlarge the picture of the packaging , you will see Hydroxocobalamin written on it . All German online pharmacies charge for delivery to U.K. .Always by courier - Bodfeld charge €9.89 .

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Ehysibi in reply to wedgewood

Thanks sooo much! Hmm I don’t remember paying before if u place a big order. Maybe it changed :)

I have friend in France. Can it be bought from France?

Sorry i don’t know . As no one on the forum buys from France , I assume that B12 ampoules are a prescription item there . But i don’t know that .

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Ehysibi in reply to wedgewood

Does anyone know what that brand of b12 puts in amploles except for b12?

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wedgewood in reply to Ehysibi

Other pharmaceutical companies make B12 Hydroxocobalamin ampoules, namely —Hevert make 1mg x 2ml ampoules

Pascoe make 1.5ml x 1 ml ampoules

These are more expensive than Panpharma 1mI x 1ml I have found .

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Ehysibi in reply to wedgewood

No I meant does anyoneKnow what preservatives etc they put in except b12

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wedgewood in reply to Ehysibi

Sodium Chloride , Sodium Acetate , Acetic Acid and injection water . These are the preservatives in Panpharma B12 depot Hydroxocobalamin.

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Ehysibi in reply to wedgewood

Ah that’s why I use another brand with one two things. Thanks. One if u don’t count water

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Hamayeshguy in reply to Nackapan

Why you don't buy hevert ampoule. I checked pharma24 it's asking prescription. Previously there wasn't prescription

After much looking (and mild panicking) this year, I finally sourced B12 Depot hydroxycobalamin at apotheke-marienbrunn.de/vit....

Shipping to the US is € 39.95 regardless of order size, so stock up! They also have inexpensive COVID-19 tests, so I bought some of those too.

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EiCa in reply to genesurf

I noticed you said to stock up. I get my hydroxy here in the US (it was very hard to find a doctor to prescribe and a pharmacy to dispense). My hydroxy comes in individual one mg/ml syringes (ready to inject). They cost $7.50 a piece. I have been told that they have a 30 day expiration date. This is problematic for me as I have to drive 3 hours to get them or pay an exorbitant fee to have them shipped. My question is…does anyone have an opinion on the 30 day expiration? Previously the same formula had a 90 day expiration which made it much easier for me as I can get them 4 times/year instead of monthly. Thanks for any thoughts. The o Lu other ingredient in my injections beside hydroxy is acetic acid.

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Ehysibi in reply to EiCa

Wow may be cheaper to get from Europe

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scnuke in reply to EiCa

I am in US and get a script from my Primary Care Dr for a 30ml vial of hydroxo. I get it filled at a local Walgreens pharmacy and it only cost $21 using the GoodRx discount card. The vial is good for 30 days after first withdrawal. I am currently injecting everyday so I get a new vial every month. My Rx has 12 refills so I am good for a year. Prefilled syringes should also not be used past 30 days. I buy my syringes and needles from Amazon.

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Ehysibi in reply to scnuke

How do u know u need it daily

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EiCa in reply to scnuke

Thank you for your reply. I will keep searching for a doctor to write a script like yours. Does your vial have preservatives in it? I am sensitive to many additives. I was told that the reasoning had changed on how long the hydroxy was good for but that they had previously been using the same formulation with a 90 day expiration. Since mine are so expensive I have been using for 60 days. Now I am thinking I shouldn’t.

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genesurf in reply to genesurf

The Rotexmedica B12 doses are sealed in snap-off dark-glass 1ml single-use ampules, with an expiration date two years from bottling. Someone posted a picture of them here: healthunlocked.com/pasoc/po...

The ampules are sold as a box of ten for about $10. A hundred doses (ten boxes with ten ampules in each box) is typically $100 + $45 shipping, or about $1.50 per dose.

My GP gives me a prescription for needles and syringes, and I buy those at Walgreens for the insurance-negotiated price.

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EiCa in reply to genesurf

Can you tell me what the added ingredients are? Certainly there must be a preservative if they are good for two years. Oh my, I am paying much too much.

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genesurf in reply to EiCa

The single-use bottles are hermetically sealed; they're sterile until opened. No preservative is needed.

I photographed the box for you, and translated: Hydroxocobalamin acetate, sodium chloride, sodium acetate, acetic acid, water for injections.

Rotexmedica is the standard mail-order brand used by many people. It's very unlikely you'll have any problems with it since everyone else has been fine.

Rotexmedica B12 injection ampule ingredients
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Ehysibi in reply to genesurf

Thanks so much! I prefer less added stuff tho so I use another brand which only has two things added in it

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genesurf in reply to Ehysibi

I believe the Rotexmedica ingredients buffer the B12 and water, making it the correct pH for injection.

Is one of the two ingredients in the other brand buffered saline? That would be a combination of ingredients.

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helvella in reply to genesurf

At least one document implies the acid and alkali ingredients are used in the minimum possible quantities, which could be none of one or the other. Just enough to get the pH right.

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Ehysibi in reply to helvella

Sodium dihydrogen phosphate dihydrate, water for injections Are u saying it’s same as the ones with more ingredients ?

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Ehysibi in reply to genesurf

Sodium dihydrogen phosphate dihydrate, water for injections

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helvella in reply to Ehysibi

They all contain water for injections.

Sodium dihydrogen phosphate dihydrate is a buffering agent.

merckmillipore.com/GB/en/pr...

It is when we see unexpected things that we might wish to think further. Like preservatives and colours.

It is not "the same" but the difference is almost certainly marginal and extremely unlikely to cause any negative effects.

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Ehysibi in reply to helvella

Ok but other brands have Hydroxocobalamin acetate, sodium chloride, sodium acetate, acetic acid,

Can someone tell me if it’s the same as my brand when put together or are these completely different o

First time I ordered some B12 Depot Panpharma on line last week from Apotheke Marienbrunn. I paid via bank transfer, I was a bit worried as never shopped that way on line. Few days later I had confirmation that the order was dispatched via DHL, shipping is expensive €21.99! I can track it and should be here any day now, not sure about taxes though.

Only going by symptoms. I have sudden onsets of profound fatigue more frequently if I do not inject daily. When I am having severe issues, I inject twice a day.

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Ehysibi in reply to scnuke

Wow! What other conditions do u have? I’m a bit wary to inject twice as even tho I know it’s not toxic too much of anything can potentially be bad esp if u have some kidneys issue etc even water can be bad for u

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scnuke in reply to Ehysibi

Unfortunately, it's quite a list. I had a heart attack and double bypass along with diabetes, hypothyroid, stage 3 chronic kidney disease, a no name bone marrow dysfunction, frequent GI bleeds, all which also contributes to my iron deficiency. I am also fighting severe depression which is relatively new for me, but with the world and my health being what it is not surprising. My Dr. gave me an anti-depressant to see if it would lift my mood last month, but it caused a fresh GI bleed and I ended up back in the hospital for a blood transfusion and iron infusion. Hgb is rising now but still 4 points away from low normal. But I have lots of support from wifey and kids. That keeps me soldiering on.

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Nackapan in reply to scnuke

Sorry to hear you are dealing with so much .Hope you get some respite soon.

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Ehysibi in reply to scnuke

I’m sorry to hear this. If u want to, I would suggest looking into mind body work. Vagus nerve stimulation (there’s even a device for this), somatic work.

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