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Morning, would somebody be so kind as to tell me why my gp has said to have b12 every 6 months for two years?

I can't find any info why it should be 6 months?

I had a blood test and was told my level was 177 so just under, started loading doses and completed them 3 months ago. Starting to feel all symptoms coming back and rang the drs to ask why it's not 3 monthly and she said I can come back for a blood test and if they are low I can have them sooner, but kept saying the levels aren't that low and the gp that authorised it was doing me a favour! Which has really made me cross.

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fbirder profile image
fbirder

Write to your GP. Insist that you get proper treatment as described in the British National Formulary.

If your symptoms include any that are neurological then that treatment should be injections every 2 months.

Even if you do not have neurological symptoms it should be every 2 to 3 months.

For a list of neurological symptoms see - pernicious-anaemia-society....

Neurological Symptoms

Balance Problems

Dizziness/Feeling Faint

Numbness/Tingling/Pins and Needles

Burning Legs and/or Feet

Neuropathic Pain/Fibromyalgia

Vertigo

Tinnitus

Sensory Impairment

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Hellywelly1980 in reply tofbirder

Thank you for your reply fbirder, I have the symptoms pins needles, numbness etc etc. And because of those symptoms that's the reason she put me on 6 monthly.

Symptoms have returned within 3 months. I have to have a blood test to see what my levels are on monday but if they are within range I have to wait until September despite feeling like crap!

Think I will try to write a letter, not that I'm the best at trying to explain things, I probably come across as a forgetful moaner to the gp.

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fbirder in reply toHellywelly1980

Write this letter -

Dear Dr Numbnuts,

I would like to be treated for my B12 deficiency in accordance to the entry in the BNF for hydroxocobalamin -

Pernicious anaemia and other macrocytic anaemias with neurological involvement

By intramuscular injection

For Adult

Initially 1 mg once daily on alternate days until no further improvement, then 1 mg every 2 months.

Without the correct treatment I am concerned that I may develop subacute degeneration of the spinal cord or other permanent nerve daamge.

Yours,

HellyWelly

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Hellywelly1980 in reply tofbirder

Wow thank you I will get that done now!

Obviously having to edit the numbnuts unfortunately

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Twaddletop in reply toHellywelly1980

substitute it for Dear Dic/Doc

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Miss-guineapig in reply tofbirder

That's great fbirder, simple to the point x

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fbirder in reply toMiss-guineapig

Yup, that's the idea of any letter of this type.

Tell them what you want.

Tell them why they should let you have it.

Try to keep waffle and other details out of it. If you have more than one problem address them in separate letters.

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Sleepybunny

Hi,

Have you considered joining PAS?

PAS (Pernicious Anaemia Society)

Based in Wales, UK.

pernicious-anaemia-society....

There is a helpline number that PAS members can ring.

PAS support groups in UK

pernicious-anaemia-society....

No meetings during pandemic.

Blog post about how PAS can support PAS members seeking PA diagnosis

martynhooper.com/2017/06/24...

B12d.org has some online meetings during pandemic.

b12d.org/event

Useful info on B12 Deficiency info website

b12deficiency.info/

I wrote very detailed replies on another forum thread with links to B12 deficiency symptoms lists, causes of b12 deficiency, info about tests for PA, list of B12 books, other B12 websites, UK B12 documents, letters to GP about B12 deficiency and other B12 info which you might find helpful including some hints on coping with unhelpful GPs.

healthunlocked.com/pasoc/po...

"why my gp has said to have b12 every 6 months for two years? "

Many forum members in UK have reported difficulties getting B12 treatment during pandemic.

BSH (British Society of Haematology) have issued advice for GPs to use during pandemic. See PAS news item from 25th May about latest BSH advice in link below .

pernicious-anaemia-society....

I left a long reply in this next thread with more info on impact of pandemic on B12 treatment in UK.

healthunlocked.com/pasoc/po.....

It includes links to recent PAS news items and blog posts from B12 Deficiency Info which have suggestions on how to cope if injections stopped/delayed/swapped for oral tablets.

I'm not medically trained.

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Hellywelly1980 in reply toSleepybunny

Thank you very much I really appreciate that.

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Sleepybunny in reply toHellywelly1980

Hi again,

"Think I will try to write a letter"

Unhappy with Treatment (UK info)?

Letters to GPs about B12 deficiency

b12deficiency.info/b12-writ...

Point 1 in above link is about under treatment of B12 deficiency with neurological symptoms.

CAB NHS Complaints

citizensadvice.org.uk/healt...

MPs

Local MP and representatives of devolved administrations in Wales, Scotland and NI should be interested in your story if you are struggling to get adequate treatment.

Some forum members have contemplated going to local press/TV/radio although GP surgeries may view this as unhelpful.

Letters could contain symptoms lists, dates of diagnosis, personal and family medical history, extracts from UK B12 documents, requests for referrals and any other evidence that supports points made in in letter.

There are likely to be useful info in following guidelines/articles that you could include in any letter.

UK B12 documents

BSH Cobalamin and Folate Guidelines

b-s-h.org.uk/guidelines/gui...

BMJ B12 article

bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g5226

Emphasises need to treat patients who are symptomatic even if their B12 level is within range.

BNF

bnf.nice.org.uk/drug/hydrox...

BNF guidance on treating b12 deficiency changed recently.

pernicious-anaemia-society....

NICE CKS

cks.nice.org.uk/anaemia-b12...

Try to track down the local guidelines on treatment of B12 deficiency for your area of UK. Some of these local guidelines are out of date. Most UK areas are likely to be using treatment guidance that is specific to pandemic.

"she said I can come back for a blood test and if they are low I can have them sooner"

BSH Cobalamin and Folate guidelines (link up page) says that testing of B12 levels after treatment has started is irrelevant.

I suspect your GP surgery is using out of date BSH advice on treatment during pandemic.

Check they are using the advice in link below.

Scroll down the page until you come to the box headed "B12 Replacement during Covid 19 pandemic"

pernicious-anaemia-society....

Letters to GP ( and maybe copies to practice manager as well) provide a paper trail which can be useful in case there is a need for future complaint.

You could draw GPs attention to risk of permanent neurological damage including spinal problems if patient is untreated or under treated.

Neurological Consequences of B12 Deficiency

PAS news item

pernicious-anaemia-society....

PAS article about SACD, sub acute combined degeneration of the spinal cord, access to PAS members only.

pernicious-anaemia-society....

Blog post from Martyn Hooper's blog, mentions SACD

martynhooper.com/2010/09/21...

B12 article from Mayo Clinic

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl...

Suggests

1) No proof that oral b12 is a good at treating B12 deficiency as B12 injections

2) Many current diagnostic tests eg serum b12, active B12, MMA, Homocysteine, are not totally reliable

3) Successful treatment should not be stopped

Future Fights

Be prepared to fight for B12 injections in future. There are moves afoot in parts of UK to move people permanently onto oral B12 tablets.

b12deficiency.info/blog/202...

Many people on here find oral tablets ineffective.

Warnings

1) B12 deficiency is not always well understood by GPs and specialists so it pays to be well prepared for any appointments.

2) Some GPs are not able to cope well with assertive patients so be prepared for GP/patient relationship becoming strained and have a back up plan eg another GP surgery to go to.

nhs.uk/common-health-questi...

3) Best piece of advice I ever got was to always get copies of all my blood test results.

I am aware of forum members who have been told everything is normal/no action on blood tests when there are actually abnormal and borderline results.

nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/about-...

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Hellywelly1980 in reply toSleepybunny

Sleepybunny thank you again. You have been great ! I just can't get my head around it all. Why don't gps just follow the same!

I'm in Gloucestershire so don't hold out much hope especially with a different dr saying the previous dr was doing me a favour! And my level wasn't that bad.

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Survivorette

That is not a reasonable frequency. Every 2 months is now NICE guidelines. Request self injections

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Hellywelly1980

That's what I read once I was told I would have loading doses.

But the gp said every 6 months for two years because of my symptoms , I'm so annoyed that because I've queried it they now want me to go monday for a blood test to check my levels.

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Hellywelly1980

Just an update. I have a phone consultation on monday with the practice manager, but was told that they are not doing b12 because of the new guidelines to do with covid 19.

I also told them I have a letter

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