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Hi All

I took the health assessment and was asked to share my experiences so here goes.

If you bore easily, I should stop now!

I noticed several years ago that I was having problems with my speech - unable to complete sentences, forgetting words etc. Then I noticed memory problems - if I watched a serial, I would have no memory of the preceding episode.

Then I had a series of medical traumas - my vision would become totally blurred all of a sudden; on other occasions I would have something similar to a petit male only with a tingling all over my body and tinnitus followed by a euphoric dream like experience - these episodes lasted about 10 to 15 seconds.

I went to the doctor and was diagnosed with very low b12 and given the 6 loading doses then an injection every 12 weeks. My doctor refused to believe that I had neurological symptoms as the symptoms described above were not caused by b12 deficiency. I spoke with a specialist through Benenden hospital twice who also said that my symptoms were not b12 related and started to take me down the mental health route - no-one offered me a specialist and I have been very wary about talking to doctors about my problems - their ignorance of. B12 deficiency it's symptoms and solutions have bordered on malpractice in my opinion.

I lost most of the symptoms very quickly - exhaustion stopped immediately, blurred vision mostly and my memory and speech have improved significantly.

I have continued to have the'petit mals' and tinnitus etc. But in the last six months or so the tinnitus has stopped almost entirely.

It seems that the injections have and are working to remedy the symptoms but the petit mals mentioned above continue. They seem to occur several days after the injection then I am fine for about six weeks then I get a sequence of them . In the last cycle I had a five day period with up to six short events lasting about 10 seconds maximum. After my last injection I had several events and now, this week - around 35 days since my injection, I had six event on Monday - three during my sleep and three during the day each lasting no longer than 10 seconds and with no tinnitus etc.

Yesterday I had three events.

Today? Well one lives I hope. If last month is like this month, the. Events will cease for the next 6 weeks prior to my next injection.

I supplement daily with 1000mg b12, 400mg folate and an iron tablet. I also have at least 4 sub lingual sprays throughout the day.

Best case scenario is that I am getting better unless anyone knows. Better!

I have had my heart tested and I had a brain scan and both did not reveal any problem.

I am a vegetarian verging on vegan and my doctor put me on omaprezole for over 4 years which probably accelerated my b12 deficiency.

I hope this blog is of some assistance to fellow sufferers.

Good luck and good health

Chris

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Hi,

Sorry to hear "My doctor refused to believe that I had neurological symptoms as the symptoms described above were not caused by b12 deficiency."

Tinnitus is one of the most common neurological symptoms associated with PA/B12 deficiency.

If my doctor said something like that ....I think I'd ask how did he/she know the symptoms weren't caused by B12 deficiency.

See Symptoms lists below

pernicious-anaemia-society....

b12deficiency.info/signs-an...

b12d.org/admin/healthcheck/...

"unable to complete sentences, forgetting words etc. Then I noticed memory problems"

These would usually be considered as neurological. Not being able to find the right word is called nominal aphasia and I think is listed on PAS Symptoms Checklist.

PAS (Pernicious Anaemia Society)

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PAS tel no +44 (0)1656 769 717

PAS might be able to pass on info about PA and neurological symptoms. PAS can sometimes intervene on behalf of PAS members seeking correct treatment/diagnosis.

PAS membership

pernicious-anaemia-society....

PAS members can access details of PAS support groups. these can be a useful source of support and information.

pernicious-anaemia-society....

Untreated or undertreated B12 deficiency can lead to permanent neurological damage including problems with spinal cord.

PAS news item about neurological consequences of PA.

pernicious-anaemia-society....

Link about writing to GP about B12 deficiency (UK info)

Point 1 is about undertreatment of neurological symptoms.

b12deficiency.info/b12-writ...

PA (Pernicious Anaemia)

You mentioned in one of your older threads that you didn't think you had PA.

Have you had a test for PA eg Intrinsic Factor Antibody ()IFA) test?

The IFA test is not always reliable and it is still possible to have PA even if IFA result is negative/normal range (called Antibody Negative Pernicious Anaemia). I believe that Martyn Hooper, chair of PAS, tested negative more than once on IFA test before testing positive.

Antibody Negative PA is recognised in UK in the BSH Cobalamin and Folate Guidelines. I'm not sure if Antibody Negative PA is recognised in other countries. Sadly if you're in UK, you may have a GP who hasn't read these guidelines. I gave a copy of these guidelines to my GPs.

BSH Cobalamin and Folate Guidelines

b-s-h.org.uk/guidelines/gui...

Flowchart from BSH Cobalamin and Folate Guidelines

stichtingb12tekort.nl/weten...

Outlines when PA and Antibody Negative PA can be diagnosed in UK.

My understanding (I'm not a medic) of the BSH Cobalamin and Folate guidelines is that anyone in UK who is symptomatic for B12 deficiency with neurological symptoms eg tinnitus, tingling, pins and needles, memory problems, balance issues plus other possible neuro symptoms should be on the neurological B12 deficiency treatment regime, whatever the cause of their B12 deficiency.

UK B12 treatment info can be found in

1) BNF British National Formulary Chapter 9 Section 1.2

All UK GPs will have access to a copy of BNF, it's probably sitting on their desk or bookshelf. It's possible to get own copy of BNF.

bnf.nice.org.uk/drug/hydrox...

cks.nice.org.uk/anaemia-b12...

BNF makes it clear that people with B12 deficiency with neurological symptoms should be referred to a haematologist.

2) BSH Cobalamin and Folate Guidelines, about a quarter through guidelines.

Standard UK B12 treatment is 6 loading jabs over 2 weeks followed by a jab every 3 months.

For those with neurological symptoms it's a loading jab every other day for as long as symptoms continue to get better then a jab every 2 months.

B12 Deficiency and Epilepsy

I came across various articles linking epilepsy symptoms with B12 deficiency.

B12 blogs

May be stories relevant to you on Martyn Hooper's blog about PA and B12 issues

martynhooper.com/

Also an interesting blog on "B12 Deficiency Info" website.

b12deficiency.info/

I am not medically trained just someone who has struggled to get a diagnosis.

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Alfabeta in reply to Sleepybunny

Thank you for your very helpful and caring response and highly informative response. I am trying to get a doctors appointment at the moment but not having much luck.

Christopher

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Sleepybunny in reply to Alfabeta

Hi again,

Might be worth talking to PAS before next appt with GP. They can offer support but they are busy and may not have resources to help non-members.

I would suggest reading up about B12 before next appt. My experience is that B12 deficiency is not always as well-understood as it should be, by doctors and consultants including haematologists and neurologists.

B12 books I found useful

"What You Need to Know About Pernicious Anaemia and Vitamin B12 Deficiency" by Martyn Hooper

Martyn Hooper is the chair of PAS (Pernicious Anaemia Society). Book is up to date with UK B12 guidelines. I gave a copy of book above to my GPs.

"Living with Pernicious Anaemia and Vitamin B12 Deficiency" by Martyn Hooper

Has several case studies.

"Could it Be B12; An Epidemic of Misdiagnoses" by Sally Pacholok and JJ. Stuart (USA authors)

Very comprehensive book about B12 deficiency with lots of case studies.

Lots more B12 info in pinned posts on this forum. I found it helpful to read fbirder 's summary of mainly UK B12 documents.Link to summary in third pinned post.

Unhappy with treatment (UK info) ?

Letters to GP about B12 deficiency

b12deficiency.info/b12-writ...

CAB

citizensadvice.org.uk/health/

HDA patient care trust

UK charity that offers free second opinions on medical diagnoses and medical treatment.

hdapatientcaretrust.com/

Risk factors for PA and B12 deficiency

pernicious-anaemia-society....

b12deficiency.info/what-are...

b12deficiency.info/who-is-a...

Access to medical Records (UK)

nhs.uk/NHSEngland/thenhs/re...

england.nhs.uk/contact-us/p...

nhs.uk/chq/Pages/2635.aspx?...

Do you have copies of all your blood test results? I learnt to always get copies after being told everything was normal and then finding abnormal and borderline results on the copies.

If you have a copy of b12 result from when you were diagnosed with very low B12, have a look to see if there is a comment from the laboratory that carried out the B12 test, advising that an Intrinsic Factor Antibody test should be ordered. You could then find out if an IFA test was carried out and what the results were.

In relation to B12, I look at B12, folate, ferritin and full blood count (FBC).

Good luck...

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Alfabeta in reply to Sleepybunny

Thank you for the time taken and the information.

Your advice is timely as I spoke to my doctor today on the phone about my issues. I am to cease having b12 until I have a further blood test to see if there is enough b12 in my system. Yet again I have been told that my semi conscious events and tinnitus are not b12 symptoms which just about everyone who writes about b12 deficiency accepts as symptoms.

The doctor told me that my level was 116 when I was initially tested - is this very low and how low in the scheme of things?

I am to cease all b12 supplements and injections until my blood is tested to ascertain my b12 levels but no mention of folate or iron levels although as a vegetarian verging towards vegan my folate level should be ok.

Thank you once again for your time and help.

Christopher

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